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[chaos]

Sugar Intake Hit All-time High in 1999
Government Urged to Recommend Sugar Limits
WASHINGTON - Citing new figures that show that in 1999 Americans ate more sugar than ever before, the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) is urging the federal government to advise consumers to limit their sugar intake. According to new U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) data, sugar consumption in 1999 was 158 pounds per person — 30 percent higher than in 1983. Consumption has risen every year but one since 1983.

http://www.cspinet.org/new/sugar_limit.html

[Disgusted]

What happened to discussing table sugar also known as sucrose and the fact that Americans consume 44.2 lbs of it a year according to the USDA?

Weren`t you the one who considered eating a half cup of table sugar for breakfast or was that someone else? 

Not me.

[The True Adonis]

Sugar Intake Hit All-time High in 1999
Government Urged to Recommend Sugar Limits
WASHINGTON - Citing new figures that show that in 1999 Americans ate more sugar than ever before, the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) is urging the federal government to advise consumers to limit their sugar intake. According to new U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) data, sugar consumption in 1999 was 158 pounds per person — 30 percent higher than in 1983. Consumption has risen every year but one since 1983.

http://www.cspinet.org/new/sugar_limit.html

I think you and Disgusted are confused.

We were discussing just Table Sugar/Sucrose.  Not Other forms.  Unless you jumped the same shark with him and you both decided not to tell us.

[wavelength]

Wave, this is something that I have known for years just like the average person eating 150 pounds of sugar per year, which surprises me that Adam did not know this. I sometimes take for granted that the average person may know these things too. Anyway, I read this years ago. You amy or may not find it but you should if you research enough.

Well I will make the claim that I think it is impossible to create an energy deficit (aka weight loss) by adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet. Every article I could find on refined sugar states that it always leads to weight gain. I have also never heard anyone else make a different statement. That's why I'm so interested in getting prove of that statement of you. No bash at all, I'm just curious.

[chaos]

I think you and Disgusted are confused.

We were discussing just Table Sugar/Sucrose.  Not Other forms.  Unless you jumped the same shark with him and you both decided not to tell us.

Yeah, we're hanging with Jaws.

[Disgusted]

Sugar Intake Hit All-time High in 1999
Government Urged to Recommend Sugar Limits
WASHINGTON - Citing new figures that show that in 1999 Americans ate more sugar than ever before, the nonprofit Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) is urging the federal government to advise consumers to limit their sugar intake. According to new U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) data, sugar consumption in 1999 was 158 pounds per person — 30 percent higher than in 1983. Consumption has risen every year but one since 1983.

http://www.cspinet.org/new/sugar_limit.html

I really thought it was something that most people knew. It's really easy to figure out per day boys and girls all you have to do is multiply by 365.242199.  

[Relentless]

What happened to discussing table sugar also known as sucrose and the fact that Americans consume 44.2 lbs of it a year according to the USDA?

Weren`t you the one who considered eating a half cup of table sugar for breakfast or was that someone else? 

Would you mind sharing some of your credentials and give us a few success stories where your dietary recommendations have been utilized by a bodybuilder of note?

It appears to me that Disgusted has a much more impressive track record than you do, TA.  If this diet worked so well, why aren't any top bodybuilders using it right now?  What you keep championing is not a new concept...and there are valid reasons why PROS and top NPC AMATEURS would never eat BS calories when dieting for a competition.  

Why can't you convince anyone other than a few misguided youngsters to follow your diet?  

[Disgusted]

I think you and Disgusted are confused.

We were discussing just Table Sugar/Sucrose.  Not Other forms.  Unless you jumped the same shark with him and you both decided not to tell us.

No Adam my exact statement was that the average person consumed 150 of sugar per year, but if you thought that I was referring to only table then no biggy. At least we got it straighten out.

[The True Adonis]

No Adam my exact statement was that the average person consumed 150 of sugar per year, but if you thought that I was referring to only table then no biggy. At least we got it straighten out.

Oh ok.  So the hypothetical breakfast eater, Let`s call him Joe the Sugar Consumer, can then change his 1/2 cup of sugar for a 1/2 cup of corn syrup. 

[chaos]

The average person eats over 100 pounds of sugar per year.

His statement here that you responded to does not say "table sugar".

Actually you are wrong.
Per capita sugar consumption in 2007 was 44.2 lbs per year. (18)

Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Economic Research Service. 2008. Table 51 -- Refined cane and beet sugar: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Table 52 -- High fructose corn syrup: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Table 53 -- Other sweeteners: estimated number of per capita calories consumed daily, by calendar year. Sugar and Sweeteners Yearbook 2007.

This quote that you used does not say "table sugar"

Someone is jumping sharks here.

[haider]

Well I will make the claim that I think it is impossible to create an energy deficit (aka weight loss) by adding refined sugar to a maintenance diet. Every article I could find on refined sugar states that it always leads to weight gain. I have also never heard anyone else make a different statement. That's why I'm so interested in getting prove of that statement of you. No bash at all, I'm just curious.

damn man, chill out!

It aint that important serious 

[Disgusted]

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[Relentless]

With that said, you could add about 3-4 scoops of protein which would add 75-100 grams of protein in that diet and be perfect.

Your calories will increase a bit though to about 2300-2400 but you would likely still be in a deficit so you would be able to get ripped in time.

or

You would mantain and build nicely on that.

160-170 pounds at 5'11'' isn't anything I nor most on this board would aspire to, TA.  If you played soccer and looked like David Beckham, these would be permissible stats...but you're on a bodybuilding message board, remember?

[haider]

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[Disgusted]

Oh ok.  So the hypothetical breakfast eater, Let`s call him Joe the Sugar Consumer, can then change his 1/2 cup of sugar for a 1/2 cup of corn syrup. 

OK so what is the question?

[wavelength]

Why can't you convince anyone other than a few misguided youngsters to follow your diet?

I'm not aware of any misguided youngsters. I'm e.g. older that TA and came to the same conclusions on my own.

[chaos]

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Yes, I can't believe Adonis had the audacity to type "Joe the Sugar Consumer".......

[Disgusted]

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Fag 

[chaos]

I'm not aware of any misguided youngsters. I'm e.g. older that TA and came to the same conclusions on my own.

That you can eat shit all day and lose weight?

[wavelength]

damn man, chill out!

It aint that important serious 

I'm perfectly calm, just stating the obvious. At least what I thought until today to be obvious. I'm always willing to learn if evidence is provided.

[Relentless]

I'm not aware of any misguided youngsters. I'm e.g. older that TA and came to the same conclusions on my own.

OK, plus you.  I'm still looking for a bodybuilder of note, not a guy on a MB who weighs 150-160. Everybody TA keeps referring to following his diet is a featherweight.  Where are the big boys who follow this type of diet?

[haider]

That you can eat shit all day and lose weight?

LOL!!!

[chaos]

OK, plus you.  I'm still looking for a bodybuilder of note, not a guy on a MB who weighs 150-160. Everybody TA keeps referring to following his diet is a featherweight.  Where are the big boys who follow this type of diet?

They all weigh 150-160 now.

[Relentless]

I'm perfectly calm, just stating the obvious. At least what I thought until today to be obvious. I'm always willing to learn if evidence is provided.

You're obviously missing the point of BODYBUILDING.  

Key word here guys; BUILD.  Not maintain, not shred - BUILD.

[The True Adonis]

OK so what is the question?

I`m not sure but it looks like Joe The Sugar Consumer needs to add a bit of flour,butter and some Pecans and he can bake himself a pie.