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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #100 on: May 15, 2007, 10:26:20 PM »
Shawn might have been the narc, but AMI is clearly petty and pathetic for their handling of this.  They're supposed to be a fuccking legit business, yet they act like a cross between a bunch of two-bit high-schoolers and a (two-bit) mafia family.

They are acting like a legit business...one that is paying an athlete for the exclusive right to have pictures and interviews by their own people...

There was already one warning issued before this ever took place...

Know your facts before making further comments..

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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #101 on: May 15, 2007, 10:31:12 PM »
They are acting like a legit business...one that is paying an athlete for the exclusive right to have pictures and interviews by their own people...

There was already one warning issued before this ever took place...

Know your facts before making further comments..
you sure are involved alot in someones personal contract dealing for an IFBB rep, when contracts/IFBB are supposed to be seperate entities. I thought earlier in this thread Milos was unofficially helping Silvio with his contracts, how do you know so much about them? A little snooping perhaps?
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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #102 on: May 15, 2007, 10:40:13 PM »
I was hearing things about this before all this hit the board and I knew right away that Shawn was up to no good. Shawn does not befriend anyone without an ulterior motive. Ya know, all jokes aside, one day Sean is gonna fuck with the wrong guy and wind up in more trouble than he can handle.

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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #103 on: May 15, 2007, 10:47:50 PM »
you sure are involved alot in someones personal contract dealing for an IFBB rep, when contracts/IFBB are supposed to be seperate entities. I thought earlier in this thread Milos was unofficially helping Silvio with his contracts, how do you know so much about them? A little snooping perhaps?

I'm involved as I was asked to be involved.

Were talking about his AMI contract, not his Muscletech contract....although I have helped various athletes out with Supplement contracts from time to time.


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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #104 on: May 15, 2007, 11:35:40 PM »
Shawn and Bob are my true friends who personality I admire and I know that they calls it as it is.
If they said something they probably had a darn good reason to do that...

I am not saying that this is the case here - but I know Shawn and Bob and as I said - I know that they don't say something unless they 100% mean it!

I think it is more than clear.
I claim that Shawn and Bob are people that speak their mind - WHEN THEY ARE SURE ABOUT SOMETHING. Nothing more - nothing less.

Obviously Silvio made things clear by claiming that Milos is NOT his MANAGER...and that is ALL Shawn and Bob were saying...

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #105 on: May 16, 2007, 12:41:47 AM »


Get what I said right...I never indicated who approached who...it's irrelevant. For the record...I approached Silvio as I was making the rounds, shook hands, and he AKED about the situation...makes no difference.

*** It is kind of hard to get things right as you are manipulating the whole thing…
It was the matter of Silvio informing me that you approached him and told him “the news” (which was something that should have never happened 15 minutes before the prejudging). THAT IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
My whole point was that both you and Shawn could be at least that considerate to wait after competition or at least prejudging was over to tell him POSSIBLY VERY DISTURBING NEWS.
Obviously neither of you cared if this action will leave very negative impact on the athlete who was about to step on stage.

As you always “play the game” and twist things around – you said that you didn’t approach him and instead he came to you and asked you…
Now, after Silvio AGAIN confirmed that was other way around and that you indeed approached him. Now, you are claiming that you did approached him…but he was the one who actually asked you…?
He somehow knew that you must know something that interest him?

It is typical you Bob…just like your report to Jim how ” I was running and screaming at Sandy at the Ironman”…when I was walking and talking to you...and THAN asking Tuman...etc...etc - never even looking at Sandy let alone screaming at her...


Can't disclose that info, as it wouldn't be fair to those athletes I work with and the confidentiality which I keep. Their business is betwen them and I, and not relevant to this discussion


*** Can’t disclose the info?
My question was: “what did you do so far in regards to ANY OTHER IFBB PRO'S contract?”

I am sure that all of us would appreciate the fact that athletes rep indeed DID SOMETHING TO SOMEONE….of course…if you did….


Have anyone contact me that you wish...always glad to lend a helping hand...thats what I do.

*** Who did you help so far and exactly HOW did you help?
By telling them 15 minutes before the prejudging they are about to loose contract…but not to worry about it as Super Bob is coming to their rescue?


I've talked to Silvio himself, and Robin asked for me to get involved in the situationas the IFBB rep. I told Silvio at the NYPro, that I would "take care of business for him"...that's what I did.

*** Yes, you did talk to Silvio WHEN YOU SHOULDN’T  - right before the prejudging….and that is EXACTLY what I complained about.
You wanting to help him is one thing…but doing it the way you did was anything but HELP!
Off course, now is serious issue for him…and he doesn’t know what to do…You and Shawn scared him enough that he doesn’t even want to talk about it – in fear that he will indeed loose the contract.

Besides, 2 days BEFORE the competition he called Robin and asked him if it would be OK if Milos post just couple of his photos BEFORE the New York pro…as he believes that photos would get the attention of many people in the industry – which could be VERY GOOD THING for the competitor about to step on stage…
Robin told him that he will “check” with somebody and get back to him…
Morning of the show – just HOURS before hundreds of his photos from the show would be posted on numerous sites – I posted couple of photos of Silvio looking spectacular – to give him “little boost”…

You would think that EVERYONE who wishes him well would appreciate the photos…
And everyone who buys magazines would be even more excited to look for upcoming issue of the magazine who sponsors particular athlete…but AMEN….it seems to me that system doesn’t work this way…



BUT NOW – HERE IS THE QUESTION:

If I am not his manager…and Silvio didn’t post that picture – HOW EXACTLY DID HE BREACH HIS CONTRACT?

Does contract stipulates that the athlete could NEVER take a single shot with ANYONE…and if he does he must request from that person that he absolutely CANNOT post the photo or else?



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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #106 on: May 16, 2007, 01:04:23 AM »
No, they don't as I explained to you...it was created by Myself and Shawn for the purpose of giving a voice to the athletes as a whole to work with the IFBB for change, and to assist in problems which directly affect an athlete...you have a problem with Silvio asking for my help?

It was created by yourself and Shawn?

GIVE ME A BREAK...

I was screaming for that for YEARS before you ever turned pro...
As the talk about that position started - I was the first one who jumped to help Shawn...

After realizing how many pro's don't want to support Shawn - as they couldn't stand him - I had to talk them into...as well as call so many of my European friends just to get that number high enough.

Now, it is great that you recognize WHY we should have the rep...As you said: "purpose of giving a voice to the athletes as a whole to work with the IFBB for change, and to assist in problems which directly affect an athlete"

Can you show me a list of the athletes who REQUESTED recent changes?
Sadly, it is NOT THE ATHLETES who wanted ANY of the changes that happened under your term (when does it expire BTW?) - everyone knows WHO wanted the change - and you signed your name and agreed in the name of the IFBB athletes who didn't even have a clue what is going on...

Everything you do Bob is that way.

How did you find out from the athletes that indeed they want to change the first round?

Next, did we vote for it?

How many of us agreed?

EXACTLY...



And NO, I don't have a problem if Silvio or anyone else ask you for the help...
I have a problem with WHAT you did in New York backstage...disturbing him in the worst possible time.
Great help indeed.

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #107 on: May 16, 2007, 02:23:17 AM »
Seldom has a word been more fitting for a "man" (Chicken Chick) than this:


STOOGE

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The newly appointed mayor is widely regarded as a government stooge.

2 an actor in an amusing show in the theatre or on television whose job is to allow the main actor to make him or her look foolish

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

Chick is a stooge, tool, puppet, muppet and clown.

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #108 on: May 16, 2007, 02:46:39 AM »

If I am not his manager…and Silvio didn’t post that picture – HOW EXACTLY DID HE BREACH HIS CONTRACT?

Does contract stipulates that the athlete could NEVER take a single shot with ANYONE…and if he does he must request from that person that he absolutely CANNOT post the photo or else?

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Excellent point! You've just destroyed their argument! What is silvio meant to do? hide from cameras like a movie star? Lol, nice one Milos. Once again you've outwitted the puppets ;D

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #109 on: May 16, 2007, 03:42:24 AM »
Hey bob, leave silvo alone. i think he is an immigrant ? the poor guy has to put food on the table and the contract means a lot to him.  he has been a good boy who dont run his mouth and try to do the right thing, ifbb should leave the good boys alone and go after the naughty boys, like lee  :)

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #110 on: May 16, 2007, 04:43:08 AM »
Shawn and Bob are the chicken shits
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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #111 on: May 16, 2007, 06:04:53 AM »
I'm involved as I was asked to be involved.

Were talking about his AMI contract, not his Muscletech contract....although I have helped various athletes out with Supplement contracts from time to time.



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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #112 on: May 16, 2007, 07:12:29 AM »
Why can MADMAXI... who claims he is Jay's manager...post photos of Cutler and that's okay?

Is it because he has his lips around AMI's ass when they aren't on Jay's?
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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #113 on: May 16, 2007, 07:19:40 AM »
BUT NOW – HERE IS THE QUESTION:

If I am not his manager…and Silvio didn’t post that picture – HOW EXACTLY DID HE BREACH HIS CONTRACT?

Does contract stipulates that the athlete could NEVER take a single shot with ANYONE…and if he does he must request from that person that he absolutely CANNOT post the photo or else?




True... why was he issued a warning if Milos isnt 'officially' his manager bob?

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #114 on: May 16, 2007, 07:31:07 AM »
BUT NOW – HERE IS THE QUESTION:

If I am not his manager…and Silvio didn’t post that picture – HOW EXACTLY DID HE BREACH HIS CONTRACT?

Does contract stipulates that the athlete could NEVER take a single shot with ANYONE…and if he does he must request from that person that he absolutely CANNOT post the photo or else?





Exactly!

Say for example a friend or fan of Silvio's snaps a pic or two of him and posts them on some website...  how is that his problem?   This is just more IFBB/AMI mind games bullshit. Like I said earlier, it's like these guys never got past a grade school mentality.
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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #115 on: May 16, 2007, 07:49:43 AM »
sean isnt paying much attention to this anymore... other than deleting anything that mentions him + transsexual's.

bob hasnt answered the questions chaos put together on the other page and seems to be avoiding it much like the midget.

you two keep trying to hurt milos but always end up looking the fools and this case is no different

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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #116 on: May 16, 2007, 07:52:28 AM »
I don't have to wait for the seminar - I already started answering...but certainly - come and ask me anything...

I think Silvio will be here by than...

Milos is a stand up guy, others are jealous of him, period.

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #117 on: May 16, 2007, 08:21:48 AM »
Why can MADMAXI... who claims he is Jay's manager...post photos of Cutler and that's okay?

Is it because he has his lips around AMI's ass when they aren't on Jay's?

Hey retard!  I never claimed to be Jay's manager, I always say that I'm only a friend who's helping him out with his biz.  Jay is the one who calls me that all the time, I guess he's joking around.  And Yeah!  I do like Weider/AMI, they are friends of mine and have done  alot to further my business and carreer, what wrong with that?  What is your problem anyway?  Every one of your post is a negative one, what do you bring to this place except trouble?  You must be a very unhappy person to be filled with so much piss and vinegar. 

I'm hoping that eventually Ron gets tired of your ass and ban it, I'm getting really tired of your pot shots.  And by the way, the pics I take are posted on Flexonline, which is a Weider/AMI site in case you forgot, maybe that has something to do with the pics being allowed.

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #118 on: May 16, 2007, 08:39:34 AM »
Get what I said right...I never indicated who approached who...it's irrelevant. For the record...I approached Silvio as I was making the rounds, shook hands, and he AKED about the situation...makes no difference.

*** It is kind of hard to get things right as you are manipulating the whole thing…
It was the matter of Silvio informing me that you approached him and told him “the news” (which was something that should have never happened 15 minutes before the prejudging). THAT IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
My whole point was that both you and Shawn could be at least that considerate to wait after competition or at least prejudging was over to tell him POSSIBLY VERY DISTURBING NEWS.
Obviously neither of you cared if this action will leave very negative impact on the athlete who was about to step on stage.

You would be absolutely right...If that's the way it was. It wasn't. I wasn't the one that informed Silvio, andcertainly NOT 15 minutes before the prejudging. Shawn had talked to Silvio....MUCH earlier than that, as someone had relayed to him that there were pics of him posted (once again) on your website...something you were told NOT to do AGAIN....as his alleged "manager", you think you would have been smart enough NOT TO DO IT AGAIN AND PUT "YOUR" CLIENTS CONTRACT IN JEOPARDY.



As you always “play the game” and twist things around – you said that you didn’t approach him and instead he came to you and asked you…
Now, after Silvio AGAIN confirmed that was other way around and that you indeed approached him. Now, you are claiming that you did approached him…but he was the one who actually asked you…?
He somehow knew that you must know something that interest him?

He knew because It was already brought up to him....as I said 100 times now. He was told and he was concerned as YOU told him those pics would not be put up...and were....AGAIN.

All I did was reasure him that I would take care of the situation and not to worry about it...Robin told himthe same thing as he was also there that day and also difused the situation...



It is typical you Bob…just like your report to Jim how ” I was running and screaming at Sandy at the Ironman”…when I was walking and talking to you...and THAN asking Tuman...etc...etc - never even looking at Sandy let alone screaming at her...


Never happened....I never said you were "screaming"..I said YOU were the one getting loud and making it a problem (which you were). When the story was told to Jim...it was that *WE* were screaming at Sandy....WE. I made perfectly sure that Jim knew it was YOU that was the hothead, not me as 25 people will attest.



Can't disclose that info, as it wouldn't be fair to those athletes I work with and the confidentiality which I keep. Their business is betwen them and I, and not relevant to this discussion


*** Can’t disclose the info?
My question was: “what did you do so far in regards to ANY OTHER IFBB PRO'S contract?”

I am sure that all of us would appreciate the fact that athletes rep indeed DID SOMETHING TO SOMEONE….of course…if you did….

I'm sure you would, and I'm quite sure THEY wouldn't appreciate their business out there as It was rquested that it not be....most athletes are not Getbig posters and don't want their shot out there...just like this is and just for this reason.




Have anyone contact me that you wish...always glad to lend a helping hand...thats what I do.

*** Who did you help so far and exactly HOW did you help?
By telling them 15 minutes before the prejudging they are about to loose contract…but not to worry about it as Super Bob is coming to their rescue?

See above...because you're scrambling, you're fixated on something that didn't happen. If you cant understand what I've written for the 20th time let me know, I'll rephrase it.



I've talked to Silvio himself, and Robin asked for me to get involved in the situationas the IFBB rep. I told Silvio at the NYPro, that I would "take care of business for him"...that's what I did.

*** Yes, you did talk to Silvio WHEN YOU SHOULDN’T  - right before the prejudging….and that is EXACTLY what I complained about.
You wanting to help him is one thing…but doing it the way you did was anything but HELP!
Off course, now is serious issue for him…and he doesn’t know what to do…You and Shawn scared him enough that he doesn’t even want to talk about it – in fear that he will indeed loose the contract.

See above...and above that, etc, etc....

Silvio knows EXACTLY what to do, believe me.


Besides, 2 days BEFORE the competition he called Robin and asked him if it would be OK if Milos post just couple of his photos BEFORE the New York pro…as he believes that photos would get the attention of many people in the industry – which could be VERY GOOD THING for the competitor about to step on stage…
Robin told him that he will “check” with somebody and get back to him…
Morning of the show – just HOURS before hundreds of his photos from the show would be posted on numerous sites – I posted couple of photos of Silvio looking spectacular – to give him “little boost”…

With "managers" like you, who needs enemies? You were told once not to post pics on your site as it was a breach of Silvios contract....why would you put him in that position AGAIN? Was it that important to you?

Assuming your story is correct (which I have my doubts) Did obin ever get back to Silvio? I'm betting he didn't...as a matter of fact, I'm sure that never happened the way you said, as Silvio was quite stunned when those pics were on the internet, and felt quite deceived...THATS WHY HE WAS DISTRAUGHT. He thought you could be trusted...


You would think that EVERYONE who wishes him well would appreciate the photos…
And everyone who buys magazines would be even more excited to look for upcoming issue of the magazine who sponsors particular athlete…but AMEN….it seems to me that system doesn’t work this way…

No, It doesn't work that way...Chris Lund get paid to take photo's for Flex Mag...not you. Do you think HE appreciates you taking pictures when HE'S taking pictures, only to find those shots online? His lighting, his work, his photos....If they can see these same shots (or similiar) on YOUR website....WHY BUY THE MAGAZINE?

Once again, you've already been told NOT to do this, yet continue anyway, even at the expense of an athlete you were allegedly manager of....I guess you've already told us why..."you like to do things YOUR WAY and will continue to to...no matter what anyone tells you..."


BUT NOW – HERE IS THE QUESTION:

If I am not his manager…and Silvio didn’t post that picture – HOW EXACTLY DID HE BREACH HIS CONTRACT?

Does contract stipulates that the athlete could NEVER take a single shot with ANYONE…and if he does he must request from that person that he absolutely CANNOT post the photo or else?

No...YOU were told specifically as YOU were the one doing it. Silvio was in breach as the athlete himself is held accountable for HAVING the pictures taken....this was explained to YOU and to Silvio. Were not talking about the thumbs up pose with fans, or stage shots at the show, etc....don't start playing stupid, now.



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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #119 on: May 16, 2007, 08:43:05 AM »
"I was screaming for that for YEARS before you ever turned pro..."

Yea, like a little Girl about how small your arms were /are!

Milos, you POSTED the Pictures knowing the Drama it would cause Silvio and you succeeded!

None of this would be an issue if you hadn't lied to the poor guy when YOU snapped the Pictures of him with YOUR camera and Posted them on the NET KNOWING the end result, while telling Silvio you would not do that!

You can point fingers all you want OJ errr MILOS but they always come back to you!
Ask Gustavo, Mustafa and the like, It just happens to be Silvio's turn.
For the Record: Silvio will NOT be apprearing at Milos' FREE SEMINAR on the 19th thanks to MILOS' actions over the Weekend and that's a FACT! :-*

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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #120 on: May 16, 2007, 08:56:05 AM »
It was created by yourself and Shawn?

GIVE ME A BREAK...

I was screaming for that for YEARS before you ever turned pro...
As the talk about that position started - I was the first one who jumped to help Shawn...

Screaming? I thought you didn't do that....! Freudian slip, perhaps.

Exactly..YOU were screaming...Shawn and I DID something about it...big difference.


After realizing how many pro's don't want to support Shawn - as they couldn't stand him - I had to talk them into...as well as call so many of my European friends just to get that number high enough.

Now, it is great that you recognize WHY we should have the rep...As you said: "purpose of giving a voice to the athletes as a whole to work with the IFBB for change, and to assist in problems which directly affect an athlete"

Can you show me a list of the athletes who REQUESTED recent changes?
Sadly, it is NOT THE ATHLETES who wanted ANY of the changes that happened under your term (when does it expire BTW?) - everyone knows WHO wanted the change - and you signed your name and agreed in the name of the IFBB athletes who didn't even have a clue what is going on...

Everything you do Bob is that way.

THat's right...and I'll continue to do things "my way" just as you have so proudly proclaimed that YOU do. It's many of the athletes that liked these changes...as I've asked you over and over...What's the disadvantage of being able to do the mandatory poses AND any other poses you feel shows off your physique??

How did you find out from the athletes that indeed they want to change the first round?

I get a general sense as I ravel all over and see many of those athletes...simple...we talk. Since the athletes have shown they have little to no interest in attending meetings, I can only assume that they are content to have me make the decisions on their behalf (as thats what a REPRESENTATIVE does) and so far...all of those changes have been positively received...ZERO complaints...except for YOU, of course...big surprise there)

Next, did we vote for it?

How many of us agreed?

EXACTLY...



And NO, I don't have a problem if Silvio or anyone else ask you for the help...
I have a problem with WHAT you did in New York backstage...disturbing him in the worst possible time.
Great help indeed.

See the above post by me where I address that...over , and over, and over, and over........

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #121 on: May 16, 2007, 08:58:58 AM »
"I was screaming for that for YEARS before you ever turned pro..."

Yea, like a little Girl about how small your arms were /are!

Milos, you POSTED the Pictures knowing the Drama it would cause Silvio and you succeeded!

None of this would be an issue if you hadn't lied to the poor guy when YOU snapped the Pictures of him with YOUR camera and Posted them on the NET KNOWING the end result, while telling Silvio you would not do that!

You can point fingers all you want OJ errr MILOS but they always come back to you!
Ask Gustavo, Mustafa and the like, It just happens to be Silvio's turn.
For the Record: Silvio will NOT be apprearing at Milos' FREE SEMINAR on the 19th thanks to MILOS' actions over the Weekend and that's a FACT! :-*

You like Apples? How ya like Dim Apples! :o

Shawn, keeping Silvio from attending Milos' free seminar doesn't hurt Milos, it hurts all the fans who are going to show up to meet him.
For many it might be the only time they ever get to meet a pro and ask questions in such a forum.

Bodybuilding needs less of this type of garbage.

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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #122 on: May 16, 2007, 09:02:47 AM »
I agree!
You can bring that up to Milos when you go there. His actions are reprehensible as Silvio certainly wanted to be there for the fans, now Milos has made that impossible.
Nice job MISHKO :'(
Keep up the great work, first you screw Gustavo, then Mustafa and now Silvio.
Know wonder your Suspended from the IFBB you keep ruining things for these guys trying todo something for themselves now it is affecting the fans! :-\


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Re: Silvio Samuels AMI Contract Status
« Reply #123 on: May 16, 2007, 09:14:25 AM »
I agree!
You can bring that up to Milos when you go there. His actions are reprehensible as Silvio certainly wanted to be there for the fans, now Milos has made that impossible.
Nice job MISHKO :'(
Keep up the great work, first you screw Gustavo, then Mustafa and now Silvio.
Know wonder your Suspended from the IFBB you keep ruining things for these guys trying todo something for themselves now it is affecting the fans! :-\


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Re: SILVIO SAMUELS AMI CONTRACT STATUS
« Reply #124 on: May 16, 2007, 09:19:13 AM »
No, they don't as I explained to you...it was created by Myself and Shawn for the purpose of giving a voice to the athletes as a whole to work with the IFBB for change, and to assist in problems which directly affect an athlete...you have a problem with Silvio asking for my help?

the athletes rep position didn't exist before Shawn Ray?

you had better tell Al Beckles that