Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?

[240 is Back]

There was something big enough to take out JFK.  Is was a bullet fired from a rifle Oswald bought from a catalog.

AND

He was able to do this with skills he learned in the army that enabled him to hit 48 and 49 targets out of 50 at 200 yards earning him a sharp shooter status.

Why do you think mcgovern, the doc, and many others all changed their wording to say "slumped fwd" when they initially said (and motioned with hands) that his head flew back?

Just a case of spontaneous "get the stories straight"?

[240 is Back]

REally the video had their voices too? 

did you watch the video, oz?

he throws his hands up in a "WTF, dude?" motion as they round the corner.

Then, that exact guy wasn't on the passenger-side door to cockblock the bullet, about 15 seconds later.  hmmmmmmmmmm

[OzmO]

did you watch the video, oz?

he throws his hands up in a "WTF, dude?" motion as they round the corner.

Then, that exact guy wasn't on the passenger-side door to cockblock the bullet, about 15 seconds later.  hmmmmmmmmmm

Yeah i watched it three times.   I even tried to read lips.  Did you hear the order?   

[240 is Back]

and I don't really care about the jfk conspiracy.  never really debated it here.  

so much shady coverup shit, and messing with the body in the plane... come on, and ford changing the autopsy report?

it stinks, but it was before my time and i'm honestly more concerned with the ice cream i'm eating tonight than that part of history.

[240 is Back]

Yeah i watched it three times.   I even tried to read lips.  Did you hear the order?   

no, but the action was clear.  he moved out of position coincidentally at the exact moment bullets flew.

And his action resulted in jfk being hit.

and we never heard about why he moved.  Odd.  Dontcha think the secret service looked at the same and wondered too?

[OzmO]

Why do you think mcgovern, the doc, and many others all changed their wording to say "slumped fwd" when they initially said (and motioned with hands) that his head flew back?

Just a case of spontaneous "get the stories straight"?

You mean involved in a tragic violent event don't often change some of the details of their stories after they have had time to reflect on them resulting in inaccuracies on both accounts?

So the reality is, police officers and DA's don't have to take statements after witnesses and victims give their original statements directly after the events?

Using that line of reasoning does nothing.    

[240 is Back]

Yeah, this coming from the guy who thought the planes that hit the WTC's were actually holograms projected in broad daylight from helicopters which he concluded from youtube videos.  

right.  

normally, we piss on beach bum when he resorts to individual 'attack the messenger' tactics.

I thought you were a lot better debater than that.  

[OzmO]

no, but the action was clear.  he moved out of position coincidentally at the exact moment bullets flew.

And his action resulted in jfk being hit.

and we never heard about why he moved.  Odd.  Dontcha think the secret service looked at the same and wondered too?

At the exact moment the bullets flew?

[OzmO]

normally, we piss on beach bum when he resorts to individual 'attack the messenger' tactics.

I thought you were a lot better debater than that.  

I'm just putting your comment in perspective based on what you said about silly little people. 

It's important that people know where a comment like that is coming from since obviously i tend to believe the official story more than i believe in a Conspiracy.  In that person can take a youtube vid and surmise that it's holograms planes projected from helicopters with explosives timed exactly right and then in turn call people who believe in the official JFK conclusions based on mountains of facts sily little people.

Wouldn't you agree?

[OzmO]

no conspiracy.....people always want to believe that events are manipulated.....the guy (oswald) had an idea.....got out of bed and shot the president.....case closed.....Kennedy (may God rest his soul) was an idiot for riding in an open car down a long stretch of street with tall buildings around......

From what read earlier today from a book i have the secret service protested the route and the convertible.

[240 is Back]

From what read earlier today from a book i have the secret service protested the route and the convertible.

if i was the chief detective investigating the day's events, that guy shrugging (and the guy yelling to him) right before he moved out of the way right before bullets flew...

that would be the FIRST smoking gun i'd look at.   Just like the pricks who shorted airline stock at 20 times normal levels the days before 9/11....

They did something odd which shows they knew something before events.  If you have that knowledge and don't act (particularly if you are in an official capacity requiring you to do so), you're guilty bubba.

[OzmO]

if i was the chief detective investigating the day's events, that guy shrugging (and the guy yelling to him) right before he moved out of the way right before bullets flew...

that would be the FIRST smoking gun i'd look at.   Just like the pricks who shorted airline stock at 20 times normal levels the days before 9/11....

They did something odd which shows they knew something before events.  If you have that knowledge and don't act (particularly if you are in an official capacity requiring you to do so), you're guilty bubba.

Are you a detective?  How do you know it wasn't addressed?

Again how do you know what was even said?

And based on what you said about the stocks then every person who eats white bread is on suspicion for homicide, because in 86% of every murderer ever caught they found they had eaten white bread with in the last 24 hours. 

 

[OzmO]

and I don't really care about the jfk conspiracy.  never really debated it here.  

so much shady coverup shit, and messing with the body in the plane... come on, and ford changing the autopsy report?

it stinks, but it was before my time and i'm honestly more concerned with the ice cream i'm eating tonight than that part of history.

You better do some serious cardio tomorrow if you're eating ice cream at 1am   

[240 is Back]

And based on what you said about the stocks then every person who eats white bread is on suspicion for homicide

Oh.  You didn't know about the stock shorts right before the attacks, were you?

They were many times above normal, focused on the 2 airlines jacked and firms in the towers almost exclusively.  Decker detailed it a while back.

You didn't hear about that then, okay, I can't crap on you.

[OzmO]

Here's what crack me up about you sometimes 240.

no, but the action was clear.  he moved out of position coincidentally at the exact moment bullets flew.

Here's a link to the Zapruder Film on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Zxup7esU

You won't see agents on the back of the vehicle at the moment before the bullets flew

Here something from a website debunking the secret services involvement.

An important discovery by the author was found in the video from ABC television's Dallas/ Fort Worth affiliate WFAA depicting the start of the fateful motorcade at Love Field: agent Henry J. Rybka is shown being recalled by shift leader (and commander of the follow-up car detail) Emory P. Roberts. As the limo begins leaving the area, Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language of throwing his arms up several times before, during, and after the follow-up car passes him by, despite agent Paul E. Landis making room for Rybka on the running board of the car.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/factsheet_vmp.html

The video of the secret service  agents was taken when they left love field.

NOT AT THE MOMENT THE SHOTS WERE FIRED as you stated.

You run with conjecture as fact sometimes.

So forgive me if i don't immediatly believe your assertions about these stocks.

[240 is Back]

So forgive me if i don't immediatly believe your assertions about these stocks.

google them yourself from sites you deem fit.

[OzmO]

google them yourself from sites you deem fit.

I'm sure I'll get to it at some point.   

However, its reasonable to think that these hijackers had serious backing from people with money, so it's not out of the question that people knew and or were directed to take advantage of it.


In the mean time, anything you'd like to say about the secret service video at love field?

As chief detective would you have first checked into to where and when the video was taken?

I'm no detective and that was not the first thing i checked.

[Busted]

Its obvious who shot him... I just peronally think he had some help... I dont know all the stories or theorys... Something shady went down...

I've seen the video...  I also saw how all the people changed the exact wording to indicate he 'slumped fwd.

Barring all other evidence of the day, you'd have to be an idiot not to see their quotes side by side and say "why did everyone change their wording suddenly from their statements earlier today"?

it's only when you realize from the film that, hey, his head flew backwards on video that you realize they were doing damage control.

Anyone who believes the real JFK story is a silly little person

[OzmO]

Its obvious who shot him... I just peronally think he had some help... I dont know all the stories or theorys... Something shady went down...

Do you think he was acting with a partner or was part of a bigger conspiracy as has been theorized?

[240 is Back]

However, its reasonable to think that these hijackers had serious backing from people with money, so it's not out of the question that people knew and or were directed to take advantage of it.

So it is then a conspiracy that goes beyond 19 guys?

That's a conspiracy theory, dude.

If they had state or pvt funding, then bad guys are sitll on the loose and it was certainly more than the 911 commish reports.

And if its the case, why not investigate or even question those with knowledge to invest heavily right before?  (A from 911 commission: Because we only looked at Al-Q).  WTF?

[Hugo Chavez]

Yeah, this coming from the guy who thought the planes that hit the WTC's were actually holograms projected in broad daylight from helicopters which he concluded from youtube videos.  

right.  

you would do best to stick to the topic at hand rather than dismiss based on past unrelated posts.  I'm interested in what you say but I have little desire to weigh these kinds of posts.  You've done some research, some of us have done some research, let's keep it confined to this and boil it down to a truth if we can.  We could all be discredited for this or that throughout our history so it's really no good to go there imo.

[pillowtalk]

My father was on the 'Warren commission' & he proved that Oswald killed 'JFK'

There, see how easy that was ??

It thought is was "your" issue.  sorry.   Smiley  Seems like you are completely wrong about your single bolt action assertion and it being a possible shot.

Take my quotes out of context all day & try to chump me that way, if you feel that is solid enough so see me off !! be my guest.
The first comment was not even directed toward you, & it was in relation to 'Gov' evidence on the 9/11 commission, supposedly convincing me that 'Themate' was never used, odd that you would go for that.
My point was "you might as well use the 'WC' to prove that 'LHO' shot 'JFK' - as clearly, it does not.

I watched the 2 minute video produced with final cut pro seemingly by amateur film makers.

Here's what i would ask off the top of my head:

-  Where and when on the route did this happen?
-  What was being said by both agents?
-  Were the agents ever interviewed?
-  Were the agents breaking protocol by not being on the back?

Until then it doesn't really prove anything.

Aside from that, its stupid reasoning to think that an organization who's sole purpose it to protect the protect the president with their lives would be in on this conspiracy.

- That was a right turn into 'Houston st'  heading toward 'Elm st' & then the  turn into 'Dealey Plaza' - or the Kill zone.
- The body language & their actions give a very strong indication that they are being pulled back, no ??
- That I do not know, I would suggest not, considering how corrupt the 'WC' was, & the amount of extremely valuable evidence that was discounted.
- Is that a serious question, or are you running dry here ??

Stupid reasoning ?? errrrrrrrm, one word - 'compartmentalization' - orders are orders (who needed to know,what would have been a need to know basis)you are give orders by your superior in command, & are thus expected to follow, said orders.
Shall we look at the assassination of the 'prime minister' of Israel 'Yitzhak Rabin ' for similarity of action with the 'security detail' (falling back just before the shots ??)

Now watch the 'Zapruder clip' & tell me where the secret service guys are ?? all, except the one who runs to the rear of the limo & tries to do his job after shots were fired !!
They were - ALL - in the second follow up Limo.
Protocol for secret service ?? no !!

&NR=1

[pillowtalk]

Yeah i watched it three times.   I even tried to read lips.  Did you hear the order?   

Hear ?? Body language,& the interpretation there-of - not a strong point of your abilities, no ??

[pillowtalk]

Do you think he was acting with a partner or was part of a bigger conspiracy as has been theorized?

IMO he was fooled into doing some-thing that he did not fully understand.
Just IMO.

You have side stepped my question from the original thread also.
Do - YOU - beleive that the shots from (behind the motorcade) the 'Book depository'  blew an exit wound in the upper left part of 'JFK's' cranium ??
& exploded the front part of his right temple, Honestly !!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6772585564431596301&hl=en

Que the 'MAGIC BULLET' theory.................. ...............

[pillowtalk]

i don't think i do anymore. 

Look out our resident 'Buntu' will shred you on your written English !! hey 'AM' ??
With total disregard for the facts being discussed