Anyone still believe in the JFK assasination conspiracy?

[pillowtalk]

Scientific acoustical evidence?   How so and where is this evidence?   The place had echoes and the retort of a rifle shot would have been hard to pin point as reported by the 174 witnesses who heard it.

Sound reverberations, ah yes, good point - & one that does not help your case, woooooooooooooops !!
Drop the ball some more while you are at it, why not ??

there is certainly many people who didn't want him around, but motive alone doesn't prove a comspiracy ??

I beg to differ, there was one group in particular (I gave you the hint in the original thread = 'Greenbacks').
The 'FED' run by 'Rockefeller' & his boss - 'Rothschild'   - shall we go over the evidence of a previous 'US president' that was shot dead after trying to fuck with the international banking boys ??
Hint = 'Lincoln'

The 19th century became known as the age of the 'Rothschild's'when it was estimated they controlled half of the world's wealth. While their wealth continues to increase today, they have managed to blend into the background, giving an impression that their power has waned. They only apply the Rothschild name to a small fraction of the companies they actually control. Some authors claim that the 'Rothschild's' had not only taken over the Bank of England (despite them funding 'William of Orange' & his take over of the British aristocracy, then establishing the 'Bank of England' hhhmmmmmmmm, coincidence ??) but they had also in 1816 backed a new privately owned Central Bank in America.
Along with 'Rockefeller' - & the rest of the usual suspects, LOLOLOLz.
This is price-less 

[Stormspirit]

If you mean conspiracy as in was he assassinated because he stepped on the wrong toes, definitely and it was clear there was a cover up afterward.

[OzmO]

you would do best to stick to the topic at hand rather than dismiss based on past unrelated posts.  I'm interested in what you say but I have little desire to weigh these kinds of posts.  You've done some research, some of us have done some research, let's keep it confined to this and boil it down to a truth if we can.  We could all be discredited for this or that throughout our history so it's really no good to go there imo.

I could have said: " Some of the same people who call those who believe the official JFK story a silly little people, believe the planes that hit the WTC's were holograms"


I just decided to skip the BS and get right down to it.   

Further more I really don't give a rip if a thread goes off course.  It doesn't bother me that much.  We are mods, we can police it anytime needed.  If the desire between the posters is to content to talk about the topic is will stay on course.

Additionally, you know me well enough, i don't normally throw the first ad-hom stone and didn't here.

[OzmO]

Sound reverberations, ah yes, good point - & one that does not help your case, woooooooooooooops !!
Drop the ball some more while you are at it, why not ??

I beg to differ, there was one group in particular (I gave you the hint in the original thread = 'Greenbacks').
The 'FED' run by 'Rockefeller' & his boss - 'Rothschild'   - shall we go over the evidence of a previous 'US president' that was shot dead after trying to fuck with the international banking boys ??
Hint = 'Lincoln'

The 19th century became known as the age of the 'Rothschild's'when it was estimated they controlled half of the world's wealth. While their wealth continues to increase today, they have managed to blend into the background, giving an impression that their power has waned. They only apply the Rothschild name to a small fraction of the companies they actually control. Some authors claim that the 'Rothschild's' had not only taken over the Bank of England (despite them funding 'William of Orange' & his take over of the British aristocracy, then establishing the 'Bank of England' hhhmmmmmmmm, coincidence ??) but they had also in 1816 backed a new privately owned Central Bank in America.
Along with 'Rockefeller' - & the rest of the usual suspects, LOLOLOLz.
This is price-less 

Just because there were people who didn't want the president in power does not mean his death was surely a result of their conspiracy.  Every president has enemies.  Again i refer to my white bread analogy and homicide victims.

Also read that link about "acoustical evidence"  It's very shaky. 

[OzmO]

There, see how easy that was ??

Take my quotes out of context all day & try to chump me that way, if you feel that is solid enough so see me off !! be my guest.
The first comment was not even directed toward you, & it was in relation to 'Gov' evidence on the 9/11 commission, supposedly convincing me that 'Themate' was never used, odd that you would go for that.
My point was "you might as well use the 'WC' to prove that 'LHO' shot 'JFK' - as clearly, it does not.



- That was a right turn into 'Houston st'  heading toward 'Elm st' & then the  turn into 'Dealey Plaza' - or the Kill zone.
- The body language & their actions give a very strong indication that they are being pulled back, no ??
- That I do not know, I would suggest not, considering how corrupt the 'WC' was, & the amount of extremely valuable evidence that was discounted.
- Is that a serious question, or are you running dry here ??

Stupid reasoning ?? errrrrrrrm, one word - 'compartmentalization' - orders are orders (who needed to know,what would have been a need to know basis)you are give orders by your superior in command, & are thus expected to follow, said orders.
Shall we look at the assassination of the 'prime minister' of Israel 'Yitzhak Rabin ' for similarity of action with the 'security detail' (falling back just before the shots ??)

Now watch the 'Zapruder clip' & tell me where the secret service guys are ?? all, except the one who runs to the rear of the limo & tries to do his job after shots were fired !!
They were - ALL - in the second follow up Limo.
Protocol for secret service ?? no !!

&NR=1

Do you know secret service protocol?  I don't think so.

Here's what crack me up about you sometimes 240.
Here's a link to the Zapruder Film on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Zxup7esU

You won't see agents on the back of the vehicle at the moment before the bullets flew

Here something from a website debunking the secret services involvement.

An important discovery by the author was found in the video from ABC television's Dallas/ Fort Worth affiliate WFAA depicting the start of the fateful motorcade at Love Field: agent Henry J. Rybka is shown being recalled by shift leader (and commander of the follow-up car detail) Emory P. Roberts. As the limo begins leaving the area, Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language of throwing his arms up several times before, during, and after the follow-up car passes him by, despite agent Paul E. Landis making room for Rybka on the running board of the car.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/factsheet_vmp.html

The video of the secret service  agents was taken when they left love field.

NOT AT THE MOMENT THE SHOTS WERE FIRED as you stated.

You run with conjecture as fact sometimes.

So forgive me if i don't immediatly believe your assertions about these stocks.

Read this again.

Take my quotes out of context all day & try to chump me that way, if you feel that is solid enough so see me off !! be my guest.
The first comment was not even directed toward you, & it was in relation to 'Gov' evidence on the 9/11 commission, supposedly convincing me that 'Themate' was never used, odd that you would go for that.
My point was "you might as well use the 'WC' to prove that 'LHO' shot 'JFK' - as clearly, it does not.

I'm just going off the words you wrote.  It's not my fault they contradict themselves.

[OzmO]

Basically the way i see this so far:

-  We have the issue with the rifle and shots.   Done
-  The video of agents.  Done
-  The rothchilds (white bread analogy:  Just because there are people who hate him doesn't prove they are guilty of killing him)  Done
-  The acoustical evidence.   not done yet

[OzmO]

Look out our resident 'Buntu' will shred you on your written English !! hey 'AM' ??
With total disregard for the facts being discussed 

What facts am i disregarding PT?

Your double talk?
The video of the agents at Love field?
The proven plausibility of the rifle, range, and skill?

What is it?

Or is this your standard pattern of ad-hom?

IMO he was fooled into doing some-thing that he did not fully understand.
Just IMO.

You have side stepped my question from the original thread also.
Do - YOU - beleive that the shots from (behind the motorcade) the 'Book depository'  blew an exit wound in the upper left part of 'JFK's' cranium ??
& exploded the front part of his right temple, Honestly !!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6772585564431596301&hl=en

Que the 'MAGIC BULLET' theory.................. ...............

I don't recall you talking about the magic bullet.

I do recall you talking about this vid, which beyond inconclusive and doesn't indicate anything.
I do recall you talking about the Rifle, range, and skill of the shots Oswald took.

But if you want to talk about the "magic bullet"   I have no problem with it.

[a_joker10]

Basically the way i see this so far:

-  We have the issue with the rifle and shots.   Done
-  The video of agents.  Done
-  The rothchilds (white bread analogy:  Just because there are people who hate him doesn't prove they are guilty of killing him)  Done
-  The acoustical evidence.   not done yet

The thing about JFK is that there isn't one consistent conspiracy theory. The same is true of 9-11.

So far I have heard its the Rothchilds, Cubans, the Mob, Lyndon Johnson, Soviet Bloc, Isreal among others.
In these theories there is noting specific to each that could be correlated together. Some have the CIA complicit, some don't
Some have multiple shoots from multiple locations, some don't.
Some involve influence from foreign governments.

The more theories there are the easier to convince people that the main story is not true,these theories don't need to involve any real research, and need to cause just enough reasonable doubt in the CT believer.

With JFK there is a theory that will fit whichever way lean, if your anti Isreali there is a theory, if hate the Cubans then there is a theory, Ditto for the mob and the rest of them. So it is easy to see why so may people buy into it.

The thing is though that the more theories that there are the less believable it becomes to an outsider or someone with no vested interest, because the logical jumps become too great. Like why would the Rothchilds and the Cubans work together to kill JFK. Or where are the CIA orders instructing a hit on JFK. Someone should have a legitimate copy, because not all of CIA was against JFK.

Occam's Razor

[Busted]

We all know Oswald killed JFK... I wanna know why the secrete service was called off literally 10 seconds before he got shot?

[OzmO]

We all know Oswald killed JFK... I wanna know why the secrete service was called off literally 10 seconds before he got shot?

Here something from a website debunking the secret services involvement.

An important discovery by the author was found in the video from ABC television's Dallas/ Fort Worth affiliate WFAA depicting the start of the fateful motorcade at Love Field: agent Henry J. Rybka is shown being recalled by shift leader (and commander of the follow-up car detail) Emory P. Roberts. As the limo begins leaving the area, Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language of throwing his arms up several times before, during, and after the follow-up car passes him by, despite agent Paul E. Landis making room for Rybka on the running board of the car.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/factsheet_vmp.html

The video of the secret service  agents was taken when they left love field.

NOT AT THE MOMENT THE SHOTS WERE FIRED as you (240) stated.

[240 is Back]

NOT AT THE MOMENT THE SHOTS WERE FIRED as you (240) stated.

settle down there homey.  I'm not 'busted'.  if I want to debate a topic, i have not problem using my own name to do it. 

Seriously, you're slipping further into BB territory every day with paranoid delusions and accusations that everyone is a 240 gimmic.

My history here is that I don't really give a shit about the JFk stuff.  it's been 4-5 years I've been debating.  I've never cared about the topic.  busted obviously does.  he's not me, and it's a little sad if you went from last nights "attack the messenger" methods to today's "you're a gimmick!" accusations.

[OzmO]

settle down there homey.  I'm not 'busted'.  if I want to debate a topic, i have not problem using my own name to do it. 

Seriously, you're slipping further into BB territory every day with paranoid delusions and accusations that everyone is a 240 gimmic.

My history here is that I don't really give a shit about the JFk stuff.  it's been 4-5 years I've been debating.  I've never cared about the topic.  busted obviously does.  he's not me, and it's a little sad if you went from last nights "attack the messenger" methods to today's "you're a gimmick!" accusations.

No, I think you are mis-understanding what i meant.  Most probably I mis-wrote it.

I wanted to make sure Busted knew i wasn't accusing him of saying the shots were fired at the same time.

I wasn't accusing anyone of being a gimmick here.

If you care to, how about getting back to your assertion about the timing of the shots versus the agent video?

[240 is Back]

ok sorry

[OzmO]

ok sorry

np.  Gimmicks are hard to prove, but easy to spot sometimes.  I can't imagine how anyone could put forth energy for a gimmick to mask their tendencies in a debate.

[Busted]

Here something from a website debunking the secret services involvement.

An important discovery by the author was found in the video from ABC television's Dallas/ Fort Worth affiliate WFAA depicting the start of the fateful motorcade at Love Field: agent Henry J. Rybka is shown being recalled by shift leader (and commander of the follow-up car detail) Emory P. Roberts. As the limo begins leaving the area, Rybka's dismay and confusion is made manifest by his unambiguous body language of throwing his arms up several times before, during, and after the follow-up car passes him by, despite agent Paul E. Landis making room for Rybka on the running board of the car.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/factsheet_vmp.html

The video of the secret service  agents was taken when they left love field.

NOT AT THE MOMENT THE SHOTS WERE FIRED as you (240) stated.

Actually it was moments before...

[OzmO]

Actually it was moments before...

Do you know how long it took them to drive from love field to Dealey Plaza?

Also, was that a breach of protocol?

Those are the questions I'm wondering about.

[pillowtalk]

Every president has enemies. 
 

Oh no you don't !!
NOT ONE FUCKING PRESIDENT HAS - EVER - TRIED TO FUCK WITH THIS CREW SINCE.
They made their point load & clear.

Coincidence was it, both presidents who tries to fuck with this lot, eeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, got fucking shot.
You selling, because I am buying, NOT !!

[pillowtalk]

We all know Oswald killed JFK... I wanna know why the secrete service was called off literally 10 seconds before he got shot?

WE ??
That is rather presumptuous of you, you might have at least mailed me.

Back to the magic bullet are we, the one that does right angles & loop the loop, yeah, good one 

[OzmO]

Oh no you don't !!
NOT ONE FUCKING PRESIDENT HAS - EVER - TRIED TO FUCK WITH THIS CREW SINCE.
They made their point load & clear.

Coincidence was it, both presidents who tries to fuck with this lot, eeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, got fucking shot.
You selling, because I am buying, NOT !!

What are you talking about?    You are not making much sense.   

Maybe you should tone down the expressions a bit.

[pillowtalk]

settle down there homey.  I'm not 'busted'.  if I want to debate a topic, i have not problem using my own name to do it. 

Seriously, you're slipping further into BB territory every day with paranoid delusions and accusations that everyone is a 240 gimmic.

My history here is that I don't really give a shit about the JFk stuff.  it's been 4-5 years I've been debating.  I've never cared about the topic.  busted obviously does.  he's not me, and it's a little sad if you went from last nights "attack the messenger" methods to today's "you're a gimmick!" accusations.

100% on point 

[OzmO]

Back to the magic bullet are we, the one that does right angles & loop the loop, yeah, good one 

We will get there.  It may take a day or 2.  I assure you i won't limit my research to youtube finalcut clips.

[pillowtalk]

What are you talking about?    You are not making much sense.   

Maybe you should tone down the expressions a bit.

Geo-politics & the global banking elite, is not your area is it ??

[pillowtalk]

We will get there.  It may take a day or 2.  I assure you i won't limit my research to youtube finalcut clips.

From shooting the messenger - to accusations of gimmicks - to weak rhetoric/sarcasm.

Intel is intel.

Fuck, I wont even pull you on using Wikipedia.com if you want to look a TARD.
Your call.

[pillowtalk]

I assure you i won't limit my research to youtube finalcut clips.

No you will use books you have read, yeah, good one, again !!

[OzmO]

From shooting the messenger - to accusations of gimmicks - to weak rhetoric/sarcasm.

Intel is intel.

Fuck, I wont even pull you on using Wikipedia.com if you want to look a TARD.
Your call.

You should read all the posts after that.  

You'd make less of a fool of yourself.

I can see why you believe in CT's.  

And so far, you use mostly ad-hom to make your arguments.