GREAT thread about protein requirements on Milos Board

[nzmusclemonster]

When Dorian won the British title he was training 3 days a week.

If you train hard enough thats all you need.

[Bluto]

and he missed out 4 days when he could've been training

[nzmusclemonster]

and he missed out 4 days when he could've been training

You grow outside of the gym.... More days out of the gym = more days of growth.

Pro's these days should be taking notes.

[Bluto]

You grow outside of the gym.... More days out of the gym = more days of growth.

Pro's these days should be taking notes.

i rather hit my legs 100 times a year than 50

23 hours a day outside of the gym, thats plenty of rest right there

[natural al]

if training 2 times a day is better, why not 3?  How bout 4...6?  Why take time to recover at all?

[Mars]

i still dont know what works better for me.

[natural al]

i still dont know what works better for me.

maybe you don't like knowing what's better for you?

[Bluto]

if training 2 times a day is better, why not 3?  How bout 4...6?  Why take time to recover at all?

and if once a day is better, why not once a week or once a month?

[tom joad]

maybe you don't like knowing what's better for you?

lol

[Bast000]

protein assimilation and synthesis is greatly increased when you are on steroids, so obviously you are able to consume more and get more results.  If you take in 400g like Milos does, but without drugs, most of that will go to waste, or even turn to fat if you're overeating.

[Hedgehog]

SO CONCLUSION, Training 2 times a day = more growth
and also eating 2g of protein per pounds of bodyweight per day = more growth too


of course, the guy who stay the same size every year will say that is ain't true 

There is evidence that training twice every other day is better than training once every day.

Try that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15361516&ordinalpos=4&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

[Bast000]

There is evidence that training twice every other day is better than training once every day.

Try that.

Yea but you are much more likely to pick up injuries that will set you back.  Not worth weight training twice a day.

[Bluto]

Yea but you are much more likely to pick up injuries that will set you back.  Not worth weight training twice a day.

why is that

[MAXX]

protein assimilation and synthesis is greatly increased when you are on steroids, so obviously you are able to consume more and get more results.  If you take in 400g like Milos does, but without drugs, most of that will go to waste, or even turn to fat if you're overeating.

better to overdo it than underdo it. if you get fatter of it then just cut down on the carbs and fat..

[Bast000]

why is that

overuse of joints - tendinitis or bone spur, or ligament tear.
dehydration or lactic acid build from first workout will increase chance of muscle tears.

[tleilaxutank]

Ah, I wish I knew now what I knew then...


For Years I was the guy that was OBSESSED with protein consumption.  Every meal had to have a minimum of 40 grams.  I used to have protein shakes religiously upon waking up, post work out and before bed.  I stopped this about 2 years ago and have not lost a single pound of muscle...

[Bluto]

overuse of joints - tendinitis or bone spur, or ligament tear.
dehydration or lactic acid build from first workout will increase chance of muscle tears.

so let's say you do chest at noon and come back and do shoulders in the evening, you say that would enhance risk of injury compared to do both muscle groups at noon?

not very likely.

[Bast000]

Ah, I wish I knew now what I knew then...


For Years I was the guy that was OBSESSED with protein consumption.  Every meal had to have a minimum of 40 grams.  I used to have protein shakes religiously upon waking up, post work out and before bed.  I stopped this about 2 years ago and have not lost a single pound of muscle...

Yes, people are paranoid and naive about protein.   They think they will shrink if they don't get what Muscletech recommends.     

[tleilaxutank]

Yes, people are paranoid and naive about protein.   They think they will shrink if they don't get what Muscletech recommends.     

I think if you're juiced then your body can synthesize A LOT more than us mortals...oh well, fuck 'em

ITS MARGARITA TIME!

[Bluto]

i didnt log on to milos site

what amount of protein are we talking about here?

[Bast000]

i didnt log on to milos site

what amount of protein are we talking about here?

9000 grams.

[tleilaxutank]

i didnt log on to milos site

what amount of protein are we talking about here?

2g/lb bodyweight I think

[Kegdrainer]

when i was working in the meat industry (kill floor, meat room) I was eating steak 3-4 times a day, sometimes raw.  The amount of protein i was taking in was probably around 400g to 500g per day easily.  The 3 years i worked there i was steady bodyweight about 290-300 and all my workouts felt like they were fueled by satan.  Now im at about half that amount of protein and pretty much in the same workout routine and im steady at about 260....and my workouts lack the same awesomeness that they had when i was gorging on red meat.  Unfortunately gout prevents me from following that consumption pattern again but If i could keep that kind of intake up I would do it in a second.

also i would think that with the extra protein and creatine from all the red meat recovery times were faster also and you could get away with 2x a day in the gym better than if youre slacking on the protein.

More protein > less protein

[The_Leafy_Bug]

explain how overtraining is a myth? Explain how eating more protein wouldnt result in more size?

Simple. Eating more protien then the body needs will just make it stored as fat. The body only need so much protien. Putting more gas in a gas isn't going to make it go faster. When you flip over the back of a box to see the nutrition facts there is a reason why protien is down at the bottom. It is because you don't need as much of it.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

when i was working in the meat industry (kill floor, meat room) I was eating steak 3-4 times a day, sometimes raw.  The amount of protein i was taking in was probably around 400g to 500g per day easily.  The 3 years i worked there i was steady bodyweight about 290-300 and all my workouts felt like they were fueled by satan.  Now im at about half that amount of protein and pretty much in the same workout routine and im steady at about 260....and my workouts lack the same awesomeness that they had when i was gorging on red meat.  Unfortunately gout prevents me from following that consumption pattern again but If i could keep that kind of intake up I would do it in a second.

also i would think that with the extra protein and creatine from all the red meat recovery times were faster also and you could get away with 2x a day in the gym better than if youre slacking on the protein.

More protein > less protein

High protien diets have been associated with obesity and many other health risks.