NEW test/eq cycle

[Emmortal]

How much deca have you run in the past?  I've done 4 cycles with it and at 600mgs UG stuff along with 800mgs of test and had no problems.  When I tried the HG deca I logically assumed 400mg would be fine, but that shit shut my dick down faster than Rosie O'Donnal at a swimsuit competition.  I stopped taking it all together and will give it a go in 6 months or so.

I'd start out low and see how it works out, 200mgs per week is probably good as long as you are doing a good amount more of test with it.  I might even suggest doing 100mgs a week to start out, depending on how much deca you've used in the past.

The thing with deca dick though is that some guys shut down, some guys don't.  I never had an issue with it before but this stuff is much more potent than anything I've dealt with in the past so it threw me off pretty good.

[4thAD]

Were you running weekly HCG with this?

[Emmortal]

Yup, following Visions protocol.

[4thAD]

Ahhh good to go! You were still really shut down even with the HCG huh?

[Emmortal]

Yea, 400mgs shut me down pretty bad.  That's close to 1gram of UG though =)

[sempron20]

ye im gonna just stick with the EQ...heres a question...im running a gram of test e. its ana-tech...a UGL...but it seems to be good quality...im definetly making gains...and my buddys who run it get good results as well...the packing, labeling, crimping etc. is flawless....and im sure u guys know liqua-tech...its the sister company of that...so its made right in ontario canada too...anyways...do guys think im actually getting a full gram...im always a bit skeptical w/UGL's even if they seem to be decent quality...just wondering what u guys think

[Overload]

ye im gonna just stick with the EQ...heres a question...im running a gram of test e. its ana-tech...a UGL...but it seems to be good quality...im definetly making gains...and my buddys who run it get good results as well...the packing, labeling, crimping etc. is flawless....and im sure u guys know liqua-tech...its the sister company of that...so its made right in ontario canada too...anyways...do guys think im actually getting a full gram...im always a bit skeptical w/UGL's even if they seem to be decent quality...just wondering what u guys think

It's very hit or miss...i had good luck with a few UGL's but i try to get human grade if i can.

As long as it's working for you is all that counts...

[sempron20]

ye i wish to god i could man...i have a bunch of contacts here...so getting crank itself isnt hard...but getting human grade...i have no idea how to get it...and im guessing its pretty difficult now especially after raw deal blahhh

[sempron20]

hey guys...so 8 weeks in...im eating a lot...my strenght is good...i took the past 4 days off...b/c i could not get rid of this cold/sinus thing i had gotten from that girl...but its finally better...so i will be back tomrorow...i figure its better to take a few days off and heal then push through and get really sick...so anyways...my strenght is up quite a lot and so is my sex drive...and i look a little thicker...but i havent put on any noticeable size...i hope i do soon...what do u guys think...also i will be on this cycle all summer ...so the cycle will be well over 20 weeks

[muscle19]

how much weight have you put on total bro??? you dont think you have put that much size on??? that may be a good thing, i hate water weight and estro build up from cycles. i try to stay lean with every cycle and make slow but steady lean muscle gains and not so much fat and water. is that what your doing too? has your waist line increased at all???

[sempron20]

thanks for the imput man...i know ive gained roughly 8-10lbs...i started the cycle around 215 and im about 223-225 now...its hard to tell b/c the scale is at the gym..so i have to try and subtract the weight of my sweatpants and sweatshirt that i work out in...but id say thats a rough but fairly good estimate...my waist seems to be the same...b/c my pants are not fitting any tighter...my legs look a bit thicker and so do my shoulders...i guess im just expecting to blow up one of these days...and look really jacked...lol...stupid sounding i know...but like my buddy whose a competitive bbuilder...said...i dont have that genetic make up...i have a pretty soft endomorphic build to start with...but at least my strength is going up pretty constantly...also...i guess one isnt going to get really huge in 8 weeks...since i only started this at the beginning of january...8 weeks isnt that long of a time really...but i will be on for quite a while so maybe by 16 weeks or so i will look different...


here is a sample of my diet just in case you guys are wondering...its not exactly like this meal for meal...but pretty much the same:

meal 1: protein shake (half a serving of wt. gainer and 1 scoop of whey, skim milk, oats, strawberries, and a couple scoops of vanilla yogurt)

meal 2: ground beef, corn, potatoes, whole wheat toast, and some carrot sticks

meal 3: 1 cup of brown rice (measured dry) chilli w/extra ground beef

meal 4: 3 chicken thighs, either brown rice w/pineapple chunks or potatoes, some salsa or tomato sauce on the chicken for flavour

meal 5: post work out shake...same as before except instead of milk i put 8 oz of orange juice, and a scoop of vanilla ice cream

meal 6: a whole wheat pita w/hummus and beef, 1 cup of brown rice w/pineapple chunks

i also have a 750ml water bottle and i make sure i drink at least 1-1 1/2 of those w/every meal and always drink it during the day

[muscle19]

how much. Protein/carbs/ fat do you think you consume per day? It looks like you may need more protein! Try mapping out your daily intake of those and how many calories you think you take in per day! 8-10 pounds isn't bad if your not bloated at all! I prefer to produce lean fans and stay away from the bloat and extra fat which isn't needed! I like to stay lean but other may differ! Some will say to truly pit size on, you need to gain some fat but I thnx you can do it either way! I feel better this way and I dont have to look/feel like a water balloon! My sodium is low due to high blood pressure in family so I watch my diet pretty rigorously!  But I do wanna be in the game for the long run!

[sempron20]

thanks for the advice man...ye i try to stay fairly lean...although it honestly isnt my main concern...ahah more protein though? ill try ahaha...that is a good idea to map things out though...im buying some a-drol tomorrow and will be starting that on monday...prob start w/50 mgs then bump it up to 100 for the next month or so after that...my training is going well and people are saying i am starting to look thicker...i feel pretty aggressive and confident...which is a nice feeling...i am excited to start the a-drol...im getting a pretty good deal on it and i have never used orals before and would like to try a-drol...especially for the strenght gains...i know i will probably balloon up...but then again...im not ripped and lean to begin with...not fat by any means...but not like 10-12% prob more around 14 % id say...and personally i would rather just be big and strong...although still have some shape...but mass is my primary goal...b/c i dont plan on competing or anything...but im finally over this stupid cold...ill be back...more to report on tomorrow im sure!

[muscle19]

Cool bro! Adrol will beef you up! I would get liver aid with it like milk thistle or so
thing of that nature. That shit is powerful and strong! You'll have no problem with strength using that stuff. Try seeing how many carbs your intaking per day. Maybe you could use more carbs! Right now I'm using 150test prop a wk, just switched from oral winny which I ran for 6 wks, 50mg/day, to tren at 50-75mg eod, and slin 5ius post workout! So I'm only using slin 5 days a wk. I have never used it and I start it tomorrow! I'm very excited to see the amount of size I will put on! Check your nutrition and see what your actually taking in a d adjust as needed! Sounds like your doing  good but maybe you could do better! You def wanna get the most out of your cycles but still stay healthy obviously! Thats the most important

[sempron20]

hey thanks a lot man ye i think im picking up my a drol tonight...when i go to the gym...ill try and start counting my intakes as exact as i can...thats a good idea...i can see that i have already thickened up a bit from the test...and gained about 10 lbs or...im weighing right around 230 lbs which makes me pretty happy...however i know there is one area i need to improve on and that is sleep...i got to bed way too late like 3 am and i sleep about 7 hrs per night...its not terrible but not great....i would probably feel a lot more energetic and less tired during the day if i went to be earlier and had 1 or 2 more hours of sleep...i do try and nap for about 1 hr. or so every day and that helps...theres just so much going on right now...and i cant seem to clear my head of a lot of things...i do fairly often have a bit of trouble falling asleep...i think part of it could be mental...but some nights i just lay there tossing and turning and can't seem to relax or get comfortable

[muscle19]

sleep is very important. I can't say that I'm the best at alot of sleep either I have a fiancée in japan right now and the time differences are totally opposite, 15 hour difference so I cut my sleep short so I can email her and be able to talk to her, its worth it for me but sometimes I get 5 hours a night, and some I ca get 7 or 8 but she will be back in may so not too mch longer!
Be sure you protect your liver ok? That stuff can be potent and very harsh on liver and I wouldn't recommend drinking either while using it or any orals. I hope it all works for ya but 10 pounds of muscle is great bro! Especially if you have cycles before, its not like the first cycle where you put on 20 or so pounds ya know?now its all about steady, consistent muscle gains, quality over quantity brotha! What type of stuff is on your head thats holding you back?

[sempron20]

hey man just wanna say 1st off...thanks so much for the support....i forgot to mention i do have liver support compounds...its 1000mg of milk thistle plus a whole bunch of other herbal stuff...as for stuff on my head...ill explain in the next post...because i have to leave for work at the club i bounce at!

[muscle19]

Its hard to get the right support no days so I'm happy to help bro! This board can be very good most times! I'm glad to here your using liver meds, just better safe than sorry. Def let me know what going on bro, hopefully its not going to hinder your gains! But I have gone through my own shit too and its not fun when you wanna dedicate yourself to training and eating, you almost wanna forget about it when shit really bothers ya.

[sempron20]

well i guess whats on my head is this...i was seeing this girl for a long time...it was pretty up and down b/c she had a lota shit fucked in her head...like sometimes she would be all about us and other time she would be a complete bitch...so anyways...about one month ago we started having a lot of problems...really after my bday in mid january...b/c she has a lot of commitment issues and she was just like i dont we can do this anymore...and she was like...im sorry 4 hurting u etc...and then i got pretty pissed at her 2 wks later for going on a date w/another guy...anyways...to make a long story short...we had a huge fight and dont speak anymore...so going on gear and feeling bad ass and tearing her a new one after she hurt me so much...for going out w/another guy...felt great...but now...i just cant stop thinking of her and missing her and what we had...i have never felt the way about a girl like i have felt about her...and its really distracting...my training and eating isnt affected but at the same time....mentally its killing me and it is affecting my sleep though...btw...started my adrol today...and its my rest day so im just gonna sit around and eat and relax and what not....but thats about it

[busyB]

well i guess whats on my head is this...i was seeing this girl for a long time...it was pretty up and down b/c she had a lota shit fucked in her head...like sometimes she would be all about us and other time she would be a complete bitch...so anyways...about one month ago we started having a lot of problems...really after my bday in mid january...b/c she has a lot of commitment issues and she was just like i dont we can do this anymore...and she was like...im sorry 4 hurting u etc...and then i got pretty pissed at her 2 wks later for going on a date w/another guy...anyways...to make a long story short...we had a huge fight and dont speak anymore...so going on gear and feeling bad ass and tearing her a new one after she hurt me so much...for going out w/another guy...felt great...but now...i just cant stop thinking of her and missing her and what we had...i have never felt the way about a girl like i have felt about her...and its really distracting...my training and eating isnt affected but at the same time....mentally its killing me and it is affecting my sleep though...btw...started my adrol today...and its my rest day so im just gonna sit around and eat and relax and what not....but thats about it

Dude, I really hope you are not talking about the Escort chick   

Chicks will always fuck with your head, training will help ease the pain. 

[sempron20]

hell no...the escort girl i told off and never talked to again...i could care less about that...this one ive known since last september...PS - cant wait till the adrol starts to kick in...its good quality stuff...gota buddy who is running it and has put on 5 lbs in a week so far...so it seems pretty legit...we'll see!

[muscle19]

Sorry to hear about that bro! Girls can make things a damn difficult sometimes but we cat live without them! LOL. I'm sure you'll put on some good weight with the adrol. That shit will blow you up! Eat alot and take lots of protein and keep your head cleared as much as possible! Lifes to short to be hung on a chick that blew you off ya know? Obvioulsy you aren't having problems with the ladies so have fun and I'm sure one will come along that will take your mind off that other one! Stay postiive and grow dude!

[sempron20]

ye girls can certainly make life seem even unbearable at times...i think i am beginning to feel this adrol kicking in...this is the 3rd day on it and my arms have felt pumped all day...i have been making sure that i am eating a lot and drinking tons of water too...my arms already seem a bit larger as well...thats really about all...going to try and go 2 bed at a decent hour tonight...i tried last nite and couldnt fall sleep until about 4 am...i just lay there tossing and turning...idk why i cant sleep but it sucks...any remedies for sleeping that you guys would recommend?

[Emmortal]

I take 3 caps of ZMA before bed, always helps me get a good nights rest.

[sempron20]

thats a good idea i might pick some up...i know its pretty cheap...today i had a good leg work out though...i know the a drol is working since 9 plates felt lighter than usual...plus i get headaches through out the days...not long painful ones...but headaches nonetheless...which i know is from the drol b/c i never get headaches...speaking of headaches...im going to try and get some sleep now...b/c i have a pretty bad one right now...