For all those who voted for Obama

[The Luke]

I personally think Obama is one of the best and articulate speakers I have ever heard in politics, but it's based no real substance. His cry for change is getting old, put anyone in there and there will be change, we just cannot have a socialist type of change.

...cause then America might end up like France; Norway; Sweden; Finland; Denmark; Japan; Canada; Ireland and all the other highly socialist, liberal, high tax, progressive, tolerant, well educated countries in the top ten of the UN Most Livable Countries list.

What is wrong with you Republicans? You all behave like mushrooms; happiest when kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Do you guys even realise that Fox News is not impartial?

Do you know that Fox News can't be broadcast in most European countries because it fails to meet fairness in broadcasting regulations? Here in Ireland you have to subscribe via digital/satellite tv as the Irish government (along with many others) has ruled that Fox News is technically "propoganda"?
   How's that for "fair and balanced"? Well, I've watched hundreds of hours of Fox News (in disbelief) while living in the US and I gotta say, such media bias explains much of American societal decline.

In the vast majority of European countries Bill O'Reilly; Sean Hannity; Rush Limbaugh; Ann Coulter and the like would be boycotted... and you wouldn't have to organise a boycott, the public simply wouldn't stand for such media manipulation.

In France, you remember France? The country that invented Freedom Fries; Freedom Cheese; Freedom Mustard; Freedom Dressing and all those other things (equality, freedom and democratic government)... Yeah, that France, that group of cheese eating surrender monkeys who have the best healthcare system in the world (which is also free), are completely independent of foreign oil, aren't fighting a hopeless war in the middle east and maintain a much higher standard of living than the US despite having a lower GDP... yeah, well in that France people like Bill O'Reilly go to jail for libel.

Now that's "fair and balanced".



Remember, Rupert Murdoch doesn't have your best interests at heart.


The Luke

[Hedgehog]

I personally think Obama is one of the best and articulate speakers I have ever heard in politics, but it's based no real substance. His cry for change is getting old, put anyone in there and there will be change, we just cannot have a socialist type of change.

First of all, Obama doesn't represent a socialist type of change. Nobody in either the Democrats or the Republican Party does.

That's not serious critisism of Obama.

If you hear that from anyone, you should ask him or her in what way Obama represents Socialism.


I think Obama looks to have a plan for how to get out of Iraq.

I also think I understand where he is on a few issues.

But I think you are correct in that he's being vague. He does not address what the next four years of President Obama will be like.

Eg, on his website, I found that he has a taxcut,

"Tax Cut for Working Families": Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.

That sounds fine and dandy for all the families I'm sure, but there's not a word on how he is going to pay for that tax cut. Is he gonna pull those dollars out of a hat, or is he gonna expand on the national debt that Bush's been working on?




I will give him credit for this one though, one thing where he actually seems to have a plan with a funding strategy:

"Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives."

It's 2008. We need broadband everywhere.

[nder98]

Im voting for Mccain cus GH15 says he will give us all the free steroids we want!!  As a tax return gh15 says we will get a nice cutting cycle for the summer

[240 is Back]

His cry for change is getting old, put anyone in there and there will be change, we just cannot have a socialist type of change.

Please define how Obama will bring socialism.

I think you're repeating keywords from Rush.  If you think it's is healthcare, spell it out.  Tell me why in the last superpower on earth, 1/6 of the population has no health insurance.

You call him a socialist, back it up joe.

[240 is Back]

Joe, I hear you repeatedly throw out claims of 'weak on defense' and 'socialist' at Obama.
I don't think you have any facts to back it up.
I think you're just repeating phrases you hear on Rush every morning.

Tell us why Obama is weak on defense.  Details, examples.

IMO you're a one-issue voter - taxes - and you are trying to convince others to vote your guy in based on FEAR.  You're not a fearmonger, are you?  I mean, you have facts to back up the claim, right?

[240 is Back]

dude your love for the black men and your hate about yourself and your white appartenance is well known, years ago you were already acting like a wigger and worshiping black attitude constantly to the point everyone made fun of you.

It's ok, you hate yourself and that's why you hate the whites hence your deep desire of voting for a black man.

There's no doubt you are the kind of guy who would enjoy watching his girl being raped by black men and would then submit to them on your knees to be punished by your black master, but enough is enough with this self hate and denial.

I'm no obama fan.  it has nothing to do with race.

it has to do with attacks on any candidates without the facts.  If you read the political board, you know that I will argue anything and often take antagonistic views on any issue, and that I"m not happy with any candidate running.  Obama doesn't hav experience but he does have decision making ability.  hilary knows the ropes but she is in bed with spec interest groups.  mccain is a strong leader but in the pocket of warmongers.  Stop making it about race and hatred. I love the USA and want us to have leaders that will make the place better, not worse.

[sgt. d]

I'm no obama fan.  it has nothing to do with race.

it has to do with attacks on any candidates without the facts.  If you read the political board, you know that I will argue anything and often take antagonistic views on any issue, and that I"m not happy with any candidate running.  Obama doesn't hav experience but he does have decision making ability.  hilary knows the ropes but she is in bed with spec interest groups.  mccain is a strong leader but in the pocket of warmongers.  Stop making it about race and hatred. I love the USA and want us to have leaders that will make the place better, not worse.

Hi Mrs. Obama

[240 is Back]

Hi Mrs. Obama

Hi sgt. d

[gh15]

Joe, I hear you repeatedly throw out claims of 'weak on defense' and 'socialist' at Obama.
I don't think you have any facts to back it up.
I think you're just repeating phrases you hear on Rush every morning.

Tell us why Obama is weak on defense.  Details, examples.

IMO you're a one-issue voter - taxes - and you are trying to convince others to vote your guy in based on FEAR.  You're not a fearmonger, are you?  I mean, you have facts to back up the claim, right?

the main problem with barak hussain is that no one knows a damn thing about him ,,lots of rethoric,,its like gh15 ,,would you ever let gh15 be president of the usa ? gh15 like barak has name recognition yet no one knows who is what and what is who,,,all       gh15 knows is that brak hussain is very similar in his votes in his 2 years in american senat to ted kenedy which is not a good start,,ofcourse anything is better than the demon but barak hussain just doesnt have a record behind him that can come to light in this troubling time in aamerican history,,,people are striving for a leader that can really take this country and all the risks waiting for this country and be able to deliver a strong leadership combined with independent thinking that can benefit the whole american people and the world,,,obama just doesnt have this experience as much as opra trying to sell him he dotn have it,,,i can not name even one accomplishment coming from obanma ,,hes pretty ok but no one can name one achievment coming out of this yuong man,,,then again its generation nothingness but i dont think generation nothingness is enough for winning main election only primary,,

it is very scary thought to even think of barak hussain rasing his hand up in the air coming jan 20 2009,,very scary thought,,he would fit in a vice president position due to his intelect but he is not ready for main jobsuch as this,,,NOT TO FORGET BUHS BURRIED THIS COUNTRY AND HE CAME LIKE OBAMA WITH NO RECORD SINCE HE WAS DOING NOTHING IN TX BUT BEING THE SON OF A FORMER PRESIDENT,,,BUSH HAD NO INTEREST AND HAD NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD ,,OBAMA DOES SHOW SOME INTEREST BUT ATLEAST BUSH HAD THE FAMILTY CONNECTION AROUND THE WORLD AND KNEW LEADERS,,,IN OBAMA CASE HE COME WITH NOTHING AND NO EXPERIENCE AND THIS IS VERY VERY RISKY TO LET PUTIN CONTROL HIM,,,BOTH BUSH AND OBAMA DO NOT AND DIDNT NOT FIT THE JOB,,YOU DO NOT NEED ANOTHR BUSH  WHEN IT COMES TO BEING GREEN AS IN NO EXPERIENCE WITH THE JOB!

iagain it is a very scary thought to think of him raising his hand jan 20 2009 but generation nothingness push hard and they are known to be very hard pushers due to the fact that generation nothingness relay  on obama girl youtube media that like sad hapy stories,,left wingers who go crazy for ted kennedy in white house,,,it is a big problem for america that i believe will relveal itself in the general election,,

this s very bad time for tasking chances ,,this is diff than 1992 and obama is no clinton he had no terms as governor he is coming from nothingess,,HIGH HIGH RISK

i suggest you think hard and well all the left wingers and democrats ,,i syggest you thnk hard and well into your vote

[240 is Back]

I'd vote for mccain except for one issue... he promises to keep thebush tax cuts and economic policy in place.

Bush borrowed 4.5 trillion in 7 years.
Bush cut taxes during times of prosperity - an economic NO-NO.
Bush cut taxes on oil companies during time of economic prosperity and record profits - a NO NO.
Bush cut taxes on the rich.

Now, in order to secure the nomination, Mccain had to promise to uphold the bush economic plan, one that many analysists believe has us in an official recession this month, and a depression if we hit a single speedbump. 

The candidates are a wash on the war - they'll both let the generals make all the major calls.  They're a wash on most other inconsequential issues.  The only issue that concerns me is the economy.  mccain promised to keep us on this same course - borrow from China to fund irresponsible spending while the rich folks in USA pay less taxes.  It's not economically viable.  It'll lead to a dollar depression which will cost these rich folks way more in overall portfolio loss than a simple 4% tax incresae would.  They cannot see that though.

[Stavios]

why do people keep talking about the elections like it was an important thing !
what's more important: The future of america or the australian pro next week ?!?

 

[240 is Back]

why do people keep talking about the elections like it was an important thing !
what's more important: The future of america or the australian pro next week ?!?

 

who's competing in it?

[gh15]

I'd vote for mccain except for one issue... he promises to keep thebush tax cuts and economic policy in place.

Bush borrowed 4.5 trillion in 7 years.
Bush cut taxes during times of prosperity - an economic NO-NO.
Bush cut taxes on oil companies during time of economic prosperity and record profits - a NO NO.
Bush cut taxes on the rich.

Now, in order to secure the nomination, Mccain had to promise to uphold the bush economic plan, one that many analysists believe has us in an official recession this month, and a depression if we hit a single speedbump. 

The candidates are a wash on the war - they'll both let the generals make all the major calls.  They're a wash on most other inconsequential issues.  The only issue that concerns me is the economy.  mccain promised to keep us on this same course - borrow from China to fund irresponsible spending while the rich folks in USA pay less taxes.  It's not economically viable.  It'll lead to a dollar depression which will cost these rich folks way more in overall portfolio loss than a simple 4% tax incresae would.  They cannot see that though.

follow mccain history and you will have no doubt about one thing

JOHN CIDNY MCCAIN IS INDEPENDENT WITH AS LIBERAL MOVES AS CONSERVATIVE ONES,,infact gh15 will describe mccain as a liberal frat boy in nature with the sharpness of a fighter pilot and belief of human rights and at the same time beleif of god,,

john mcain wether running as republican or as a third party nomineee would and will win this election ,,he is simply a democrat republican same as joe liberman,,it is the best this country has to offer,,,and many democrats will vote mccain this coming november

when you secure normination yu must talk to yuor base to some degree but mccain that could do a lot more to talk to his base did what it took the minimum it took and now he got rush and the others on board with out sacrificing any of his independence,,

get ready for a reagan/rosevelt type of president,,you will love it

[y19mike77]

So you think people should vote to make an historical impact? 

Policies anyone? 

Well said. He will be the first  Pres to have no politcal exp.
Nothing like more taxes bigger govnt and smaller Military.

He is a Manchurion Candidate anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid or lieing to themselves.

[eliscominblue]

obama = socialism
socialism doesn't work

[eliscominblue]

First of all, Obama doesn't represent a socialist type of change. Nobody in either the Democrats or the Republican Party does.

That's not serious critisism of Obama.

If you hear that from anyone, you should ask him or her in what way Obama represents Socialism.


I think Obama looks to have a plan for how to get out of Iraq.

I also think I understand where he is on a few issues.

But I think you are correct in that he's being vague. He does not address what the next four years of President Obama will be like.

Eg, on his website, I found that he has a taxcut,

"Tax Cut for Working Families": Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.

That sounds fine and dandy for all the families I'm sure, but there's not a word on how he is going to pay for that tax cut. Is he gonna pull those dollars out of a hat, or is he gonna expand on the national debt that Bush's been working on?




I will give him credit for this one though, one thing where he actually seems to have a plan with a funding strategy:

"Deploy Next-Generation Broadband: Obama believes we can get broadband to every community in America through a combination of reform of the Universal Service Fund, better use of the nation's wireless spectrum, promotion of next-generation facilities, technologies and applications, and new tax and loan incentives."

It's 2008. We need broadband everywhere.

I don't care who you are, if a dem is elected expect to pay more taxes, income or otherwise...

Obama wants to spend $150 billion on a green-energy plan. He wants to establish an infrastructure investment bank to the tune of $60 billion. He wants to expand health insurance by roughly $65 billion. He wants to 'reopen' trade deals, which is another way of saying he wants to raise the barriers to free trade. He intends to regulate the profits for drug companies, health insurers and energy firms. He wants to establish a mortage-interest tax credit. He wants to double the number of workers receiving the earned-income tax credit and triple this benefit for minimum-wage workers."
The Obama spend-o-meter is now up around $800 billion, and tax hikes on the rich won't pay for it. It's the middle class that will ultimately shoulder this fiscal burden in terms of higher taxes and lower growth.

Obama believes he can use government, and not free markets, to drive the economy. Obama's program is anti-growth. A President Obama would steer us in the social-market direction of Western Europe, which has produced only stagnant economies down through the years.  It's all on his website for the world to see.... No disrespect Hedge, just pointing out what kind of "change" Obama is preaching.  The answer is a free market, a flat income tax for everyone, control of Government spending, and NOT SOCIALISM of any kind.

[ToxicAvenger]

If he doesn't win the nomination, it's going to be the fault of douches like you. 

ifr he does not get a nomination..i'm voting repb!

[ToxicAvenger]

as for the economy....plain n simple..its bushes fault..u CANNOT sink 2 bil/week into a war for years and not expect a recession..thats just silly to think otherwise..

and the nexdt prez won be able to fix bushes mess and will get blamed for it..the repbs will see 2 that

[Hedgehog]

I'd love to see MattSTinkorang explain why he's all over Obama's cock.

He's yet to give us one reason why he's so in love with the man.

I can imagine MattStingutang watching Obama on TV the first time:

Yeah! He looks cool! Or something.

Wow!

Yeah, wow!!

He kinda looks like a cool basketball player, or a cool movie star, yeah... cool. uhh..
wait...I need to wash my mouth, too much of Worldly protein leftovers...

...but this is so cool, I always wanted someone like Obama, I wonder if he likes to wear FUBU and Tommy Hilfiger, just like me?



MattT, you fcuking douchebag.

[eliscominblue]

I'd vote for mccain except for one issue... he promises to keep thebush tax cuts and economic policy in place.

Bush borrowed 4.5 trillion in 7 years.
Bush cut taxes during times of prosperity - an economic NO-NO.
Bush cut taxes on oil companies during time of economic prosperity and record profits - a NO NO.
Bush cut taxes on the rich.

Now, in order to secure the nomination, Mccain had to promise to uphold the bush economic plan, one that many analysists believe has us in an official recession this month, and a depression if we hit a single speedbump. 

The candidates are a wash on the war - they'll both let the generals make all the major calls.  They're a wash on most other inconsequential issues.  The only issue that concerns me is the economy.  mccain promised to keep us on this same course - borrow from China to fund irresponsible spending while the rich folks in USA pay less taxes.  It's not economically viable.  It'll lead to a dollar depression which will cost these rich folks way more in overall portfolio loss than a simple 4% tax incresae would.  They cannot see that though.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that tax cuts promote a healthy economy and higher taxes cripple the economy.  Understand that I don't like Bush but I do like the fiscal conservative principles that drive a healthy economy.  Let me put it this way:  

One of these Getbiggers saves enough money to open his very own Supplement store.  He has great success his first few years making $175,000/year.  He has 5 people to work his store, 1 person to clean it, 1 person to keep his books.  He impacts the businesses of every supplement company's brand that he buys to resell, even FedEx and UPS benefit in some small way by this small business owner.......then comes a politician who gets elected and wants to "raise taxes on those horrible, greedy wealthy people".   Mr. Getbig is considered "wealthy" by the government, because he makes a decent salary and is taxed at an even higher rate.  He now pays higher taxes on his business and higher taxes on his income forcing him to change the way his business operates.  Guess who else gets hurt?  The 7 people he employs, the company's that he buys from and even you when you go to buy his supplements with the "jacked up" price.  So he lays off two people, covers the shifts himself, is forced to keep his own books and sees his dream of opening another store across town die.  Now multiply that by thousands of times over and see what happens to the economy, job rate and all of those looking for American prosperity.

That's what higher taxes do........remember that 86% of taxes are paid by the top 25% of income earners... The idea of "taxing the rich" appeals to the masses of poor voters, don't get sucked in.  Taxing big oil more isn't going to do anything but drive up your gas price!  

[Grape Ape]

That is my problem with Obama - his definition of the rich.

He considers those with household incomes over 150k to be super rich, which is not the case.

After mortgage, car, daycare, $4 milk, $3 dollar gas etc....there's not as much left at the end of the day than everyone thinks.  And I'm not talking about extravagant purchases.  The tax hike could be the difference in saving money and saving nothing year over year.

Taxing the super wealthy makes sense, but you have to have the correct definition of it first.

[The Coach]

That is my problem with Obama - his definition of the rich.

He considers those with household incomes over 150k to be super rich, which is not the case.

After mortgage, car, daycare, $4 milk, $3 dollar gas etc....there's not as much left at the end of the day than everyone thinks.  And I'm not talking about extravagant purchases.  The tax hike could be the difference in saving money and saving nothing year over year.

Taxing the super wealthy makes sense, but you have to have the correct definition of it first.

If I remember correctly, the Dem/Libs consider $80,000 per household to be considered rich, that's $6666.00 per month before taxes. They have no sense of reality.

[Stavios]

I notice that a few canadian board members are rooting for Obama

my question is: why do you give a fuck about american elections ? 

[The Coach]

I notice that a few canadian board members are rooting for Obama

my question is: why do you give a fuck about american elections ? 

Maybe because Obama wants to screw up trade relations between the US and Canada.

[Grape Ape]

If I remember correctly, the Dem/Libs consider $80,000 per household to be considered rich, that's $6666.00 per month before taxes. They have no sense of reality.

I thought it was 75k per individual.  My bad.

That actually makes it infinitely worse.