B&A International Classic - not NPC approved

[240 is Back]

Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?

Just my 3 cents...

Remember what a hard time Wayne had getting 2 or 3 pros to jump ship to the PDI?  And he was established as a 20-year vet of the game who *could* get it done.  How many pros would throw away a pro card and get banned just like Lee did?

Most amateurs are realistic- 90% of them know they'll never see a pro card.  But if they can win a car or a pile of cash, and face a minimal suspension (meaning they can't do NPC, but CAN do other feds this year), they might see value in it.

He can recruit talent from all over the world - not just NPC guys, but as someone mentioned, teams from other countries.  A guy like Sami could enter and make a killing.

Interesting, to say the least!

[Disgusted]

Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?

He would never in a million years make any money off of having a show for 10 to 15 guys. Kinda like the womens figure. The promotors and the NPC make a ton of money from the 30 to 90 entrants per show. Once you turn pro, as a promotor you make zip and usually end up losing money, hence the reason why they have the women's pro shows at the expo during the Arnold Classic.

[Chick]

He would never in a million years make any money off of having a show for 10 to 15 guys. Kinda like the womens figure. The promotors and the NPC make a ton of money from the 30 to 90 entrants per show. Once you turn pro, as a promotor you make zip and usually end up losing money, hence the reason why they have the women's pro shows at the expo during the Arnold Classic.

He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...

[ben 1]

just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure  $250  Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
 1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure

 $1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword

 A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)

 $1500 cash for Bikini Divas

 A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.

Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!

The chance to become famous on TV!!

We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2  winner at the Night show!

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com

not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee

[240 is Back]

He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...

Mathematically, for argument's sake, he could make money if enough guys entered.  No denying that.  Suppose there is a fixed cost of $70k or 120k (or whatever number for event plus prizes).  If enough competitors enter, he breaks even.  If one more guy enters, he turns a profit. 

Unless of course, you know how many athletes will enter, Bob?

[chaos]

just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure  $250  Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
 1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure

 $1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword

 A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)

 $1500 cash for Bikini Divas

 A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.

Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!

The chance to become famous on TV!!

We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2  winner at the Night show!

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com

not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee

You will be banned soon.


Chick and the IFBB hate competition.

[Chick]

Mathematically, for argument's sake, he could make money if enough guys entered.  No denying that.  Suppose there is a fixed cost of $70k or 120k (or whatever number for event plus prizes).  If enough competitors enter, he breaks even.  If one more guy enters, he turns a profit. 

Unless of course, you know how many athletes will enter, Bob?

Couldn't give you any guess on entrants...could be 12 in the whole show....could be 200...who knows.

I'm fairly sure Ben realizes he's going to take a loss first time around...

[ben 1]

He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...







you are right Bob but that is not what it is about."This show is for the Athletes" The Athletes are the most important thing that day,not the Promoter,Judges or any Organization.A show where the Athletes get at least once a year appreciated.We will treat the Athletes like King and Queens that day.Why can people not understand that someone will put on a show for Athletes and not for business.Has it always to be about money?
What about fun? Respect? Appreciation?
I can say whatever but you guy's will see when you come to our show.Talk is cheap.
Happy Eastern all together and good night.
Ben

[Disgusted]

He's not going to make any money off of THIS show, either...

Maybe, maybe not. At least the potential is there.

[Tre]

I once read the court verdict, but I don't remember exactly what it said. I do recall the the NPC lost the case because they would not let someone enter an NPC show because this person had entered an AAU show. I could be wrong, but I don't think it had anything to do with the other org being amateur or pro. Also I am curious how the NPC is set up on paper. Is it registered as an amateur org? The name National Physique Committee does not imply this.

The NPC does not tell any of its members where they can or cannot compete.  The participation rules which govern members of the IFBB do NOT apply to the NPC.

At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you). 

Note: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WON OR NOT - simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC. 

[timfogarty]

I once read the court verdict, but I don't remember exactly what it said.

I posted it on the first page of this thread.  It's also on the musclememory wiki

Also I am curious how the NPC is set up on paper. Is it registered as an amateur org? The name National Physique Committee does not imply this.

it is a privately held corporation. 

[Spicy Shushi]

just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure  $250  Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
 1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure

 $1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword

 A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)

 $1500 cash for Bikini Divas

 A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.

Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!

The chance to become famous on TV!!

We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2  winner at the Night show!

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com

not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee

 

hi sean ray

[timfogarty]

At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you). 

Has the NPC barred anyone in the last 10 years?  We've already listed guys who have competed for cash and prizes in Musclemania, WNBF, and NGA who have not been barred.  Since they were not barred, wouldn't the NPC be on shaky legal ground to do so this time around?

[Disgusted]

The NPC does not tell any of its members where they can or cannot compete.  The participation rules which govern members of the IFBB do NOT apply to the NPC.

At its discretion, the NPC may, however, bar anyone from its competitions who is known to have competed for cash or prizes valued over a certain amount (I do not have the exact number, but can get it for you). 

Note: IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WON OR NOT - simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC. 

The main thing here of what you said is this "simply competing for cash or large prizes is enough to compromise one's eligibility in the way 'amateur' is defined by the NPC."  

They would have a very hard time explaining theirselves in court as far as how "they" are defining amateur. Of course I would imagine that the IFBB Amateur can do what they want. The NPC is what we are talking about. I am guessing that they have no right to ban or even suspend anyone who competes for money.

[G o a t b o y]

Has the NPC barred anyone in the last 10 years?  We've already listed guys who have competed for cash and prizes in Musclemania, WNBF, and NGA who have not been barred.  Since they were not barred, wouldn't the NPC be on shaky legal ground to do so this time around?

No, you see, those guys you're talking about violated the code of conduct, which says "it's not a good idea to compete for money or prizes".  But, the NPC Rules clearly state that "no one can compete for money or prizes if Jim Manion says they can't".

 

[Tre]

Has the NPC barred anyone in the last 10 years?  We've already listed guys who have competed for cash and prizes in Musclemania, WNBF, and NGA who have not been barred.  Since they were not barred, wouldn't the NPC be on shaky legal ground to do so this time around?

I do not know of anyone who has lost his/her NPC eligibility, but the NPC does reserve the right to deny membership to those deemed as 'pros' by its rules.

If someone is not a current member of the NPC, then he may do whatever he wants.  If he is an NPC member and competes for cash in a non-NPC physique event, the NPC may choose to bar him from future NPC competitions. 

[Tre]

I've wished Ben well since he first announced his event, but wow, I had no idea that the entry fee was $250. 

If the plan was to piggyback on the NPC USAs, why not make it more affordable for that large contingent of physique competitors who will already be in town and in contest shape?

If the plan was NOT to piggyback on the NPC USAs, I still have to question why it costs so much to enter.  Obviously it's your business, but with all due respect, that level of pricing does not seem very 'athlete-friendly' to me at all. 

[onlyme]

It sounds like the promoter Ben has passion for BB and it seems like he isn't greedy or has a power trip problem.  It sound like he is actually for helping the BB's and willing to give rather than take.  All these qualities immediately disqualifies him to be associated with the IFBB or NPC.  Plus, why would he do anything with another organization when doing it himself allows him the freedom to do what he wants and how he wants so he can (in the end) feel good about himself and the fact he put on a show for the BB's.  Having to pay a sanction fee and obey stupid rules and crooked judges and management makes it all easier to choose to do the show on his own.  I applaud this guy and if next year he has a show go on here he can count me in for sponsorship.

[webcake]

Ben sounds like a good guy. Sounds passionate and interested in helping the bb'ers, nice change

[Disgusted]

I've wished Ben well since he first announced his event, but wow, I had no idea that the entry fee was $250. 

If the plan was to piggyback on the NPC USAs, why not make it more affordable for that large contingent of physique competitors who will already be in town and in contest shape?

If the plan was NOT to piggyback on the NPC USAs, I still have to question why it costs so much to enter.  Obviously it's your business, but with all due respect, that level of pricing does not seem very 'athlete-friendly' to me at all. 

Tre, are you that far out of the loop bro? Do you reeeeeally think that an extra $250 is not doable for any of these guys who may be concidering crossing over to this show? Especially for a chance to win a car? These guys are spending thousands on their "contest prep"  . They will find another few hundred if need be trust me.

[JohnnyVegas]

it is a privately held corporation.  

Which is NOT licensed to do business any longer in CA........ dont know about NV.

Corporation
NATIONAL PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE OF THE USA, INC.  
Number: C2171502  Date Filed: 7/20/1999  Status: surrender  
Jurisdiction: OHIO

Address  
PO BOX 3711
PITTSBURGH, PA 15222  

Agent for Service of Process
CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY WHICH WILL DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS CSC - LAWYERS INCORPORATING SERVICE  
2730 GATEWAY OAKS DR STE 100  
SACRAMENTO, CA 95833  

[240 is Back]

Interesting.

[War-Horse]

Which is NOT licensed to do business any longer in CA........ dont know about NV.

Corporation
NATIONAL PHYSIQUE COMMITTEE OF THE USA, INC.  
Number: C2171502  Date Filed: 7/20/1999  Status: surrender  
Jurisdiction: OHIO

Address  
PO BOX 3711
PITTSBURGH, PA 15222  

Agent for Service of Process
CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY WHICH WILL DO BUSINESS IN CALIFORNIA AS CSC - LAWYERS INCORPORATING SERVICE  
2730 GATEWAY OAKS DR STE 100  
SACRAMENTO, CA 95833  

Geez......Illegally operating without a license.    I guess they think they are above the law???

[War-Horse]

Just curious, Ben...but why not do for PRO bodybuilding where guys (and girls) make a living from it? Why focus on the amateurs?

I think your smart enough to know why??   

1st   Most pros get blackballed in the IFBB...pros dont want the risk. Look at priest....

2nd  The upcoming pool of athletes for the future is Amatuers...npc or natty alike.

3rd   99% of registered pros are not on contract pay from weider but still yearly pour out "due fees" for nothing to show for it.   Now add in amateurs and the pool is quite large for sure!!!

4th    All buisnessmen know there is an outlay of cash to make make a profit. Sometimes it takes years to turn one.....I know this is listed as a "Production" so its legal terms may be different.....

5th     Any athlete who has spent so much money to get to vegas for the USA champs owes it to themselves to jump in the next day to see what happens.   Theyre already in shape so why not???

6th    Bodybuilding is nothing more than a "Bikini" contest anyway.  The hawiantropic competitors can roam around the country making money at local shows......why canyt bb's?
Listing it as a "production" is more appropiate anyway.   Think about it, "competiting" is just part of the production......


Im definitly going to attend....

[HowieW]

just one more time to clear it up:
Entry Fee Bodybuilding/Figure  $250  Bikini Divas $99
Here is what you get and what you can win:
 1 new car or $10000 cash sponsorship contract paid in full that night for each overall winner Men/Women/Figure

 $1000 sponsorship cash paid in full that night for first place plus a Conan Sword

 A chance to win a new motorcycle cruiser at the Party! (Every Athlete but the overall winners)

 $1500 cash for Bikini Divas

 A Free Party with food and drinks where we give away Gold's Gym clothes,Lana's Eggwhites,Vitamins,Gym bags and the chance to win the motorcycle.

Top 6 get a Trophy plus most ripped and best poser!

The chance to become famous on TV!!

We are looking for 1 male and 1 female Athlete to get casted for their own TV Fitness show in Los Angeles Ca.
The winner will not be chosen by placing,only by looks and personality.We will announce the 2  winner at the Night show!

www.internationalclassic slasvegas.com

not bad for $99 or $250 Entry Fee

Ben, I sincerely wish you all the best on your show. I admire your efforts here , and know you realize this will be an uphill climb until the show gets "established" . Trying to start a new successful bodybuilding organization is a lot like trying to start a viable 3rd party in poltics.
If your concept is good and people like the show, it will spead and the show will grow. If it comes off poorly attended and/or disorganized it will crash and burn. EVERY successful promoter has to start somewhere however.
Good luck, you have more guts than ambition than me.
Howard