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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2008, 08:47:22 AM »
Interesting side-note: Tinnerino went to jail for pandering shortly after I'd attended his seminar.....

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2008, 09:07:38 AM »
Arnold slapping five with Samir ocurred prior to his 'confrontation' with Mentzer.

I'll take what you said there with a grain of salt since I HIGHLY doubt you were standing right there at the moment that happened.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2008, 09:08:31 AM »
that is NOT their reaction to MM's passing.

It's a joke that went WAY over your head.  ::)

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2008, 09:09:19 AM »
No it didn't. I didn't know it was from you, and I know you are the big Arnold guy here. Cool.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2008, 09:40:39 AM »
No it didn't. I didn't know it was from you, and I know you are the big Arnold guy here. Cool.

Indeed, I am.  ;)

I'm Getbig's BIGGEST Arnold fan.  ;D


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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2008, 09:56:50 AM »
I'm very surprised that of all the footage that's out there surrounding the 1980 Mr. Olympia (ie. The Comeback; 1980 Mr. Olympia DVDs) none have shown this moment on film...


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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2008, 10:15:18 AM »
I'll take what you said there with a grain of salt since I HIGHLY doubt you were standing right there at the moment that happened.

I have never and am not trying to impress upon anybody that I was there.

I was a sophomore in high school in Connecticut at the time.

However, I am a student of bb history and clearly remember the Muscle & Fitness Special 1980 Mr. O issue....the sequence of events was very well-chronicled in this and other issues.

Arnold was contrite once Weider gave him a talking-to. Simple as that. Che,ist can corroborate easily here :).

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2008, 10:23:12 AM »
mentzer was an absolute jones disciple and he followed his theories to the letter, even when jones revised his recommendations to even shorter sessions and more recovery time.

mentzer did not have an original idea at all. he basically rehashed jones' training theories and anne's philosophy.

jones was already calling bs on high volume and thus contradicting arnold back when he was pedalling his nautilus hardware and touting casey viator as the next big thing.

the fact that everyone, hit/volume, was using copious amounts of steroids was never mentioned by either camp.

the fact is, arnold never claimed jones'/mentzer's systems didn't work or were inferior. it was mentzer and jones making the claims when the reality was that neither mentzer or viator ever reached the level of physical development that arnold did, which would tend to indicate that the hit crew were full of shit.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2008, 11:13:25 AM »
I would ask Jummy Thomson what went on between Arnold and Mentzer.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2008, 11:40:19 AM »
remember the Muscle & Fitness Special 1980 Mr. O issue....the sequence of events was very well-chronicled in this and other issues.

I have that issue, as well as others, that cover the '80 Mr. Olympia and don't ever recall the whole "Samir high fives Arnold BEFORE Mentzer confrontation" as you've said, which is what I'm debating. For all we know, Samir could've given Arnold props for maybe saying something to Mike that we Getbiggers would consider OWNING.

You don't know. I don't know. Hell, maybe even Vince Basil himself doesn't know. You have your view when that happened, and I have mine. But if I am wrong, I'll stand corrected.  ;)

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2008, 12:03:32 PM »
Mike is a plagiarist! 

He stole the principles of High Intensity Training (H.I.T) and claimed them as his own work!  Pretty much sums the guy up:a fraud, a liar and a badsport!

He can at least claim that he was the Golden Era's truest and most original 'nut job'.  Even Ayn Rand wanted nothing to do with him in the end!

Mentzer:  I cannot think of one good thing he did for this so-called-sport!

Mike frequently credited Author Jones. In fact, he considered Author Jones for his bodybuilding rebirth. Mike's contribution to bodybuilding is immense. No use enumerating them but just the fact the people still discuss him decades after he retired says something. Any time the subject of Mike and his training principles are brought up on any board the heated discussion goes on and on. What other bodybuilder's training principles are discussed as much as Mentzer's? Iron Man has a whole section every month devoted solely to Mentzer's training methods written by John Little.

I didn't even mention his unsurpassed mustache.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2008, 12:23:44 PM »
it was all about popin dbols lift and genetics, HIT and other bullshit "training systems" are a joke.

most of em were under the influence of drugs and started dramas for nothing,  anrold owned them all cause he had better genetics and drive and was able to see ahead of em all instead of just poping orals like candies.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2008, 12:36:44 PM »
I have that issue, as well as others, that cover the '80 Mr. Olympia and don't ever recall the whole "Samir high fives Arnold BEFORE Mentzer confrontation" as you've said, which is what I'm debating. For all we know, Samir could've given Arnold props for maybe saying something to Mike that we Getbiggers would consider OWNING.

You don't know. I don't know. Hell, maybe even Vince Basil himself doesn't know. You have your view when that happened, and I have mine. But if I am wrong, I'll stand corrected.  ;)

Cool. But I am sure you'd agree that Weider would spin it to his liking, regardless of the actual events.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2008, 01:11:54 PM »
Cool. But I am sure you'd agree that Weider would spin it to his liking, regardless of the actual events.

That we're in agreement with.  ;)

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2008, 02:03:39 PM »
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Does anyone know the real story behind this photo?!   ???

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2008, 02:15:29 PM »
I would ask Jummy Thomson what went on between Arnold and Mentzer.

And all he'd give you is a story about him licking Mike and Ray Mentzer's ballsacs.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2008, 03:03:11 PM »

Does anyone know the real story behind this photo?!   ???


My assumption is that's the moment Mike and Arnold almost came to blows when Arnold threw the comment about Mike losing last year's Olympia due to his big stomach.

But wait! Who's that in the background of the photo? I could be wrong, but it looks to be Getbig's very own, Vince Basil!

Vince, if this is you, speak on this moment in the photo!

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2008, 09:11:25 PM »
In the background is:

Ben Weider
Vince Basile
Michael Walczak, M.D. (One of the judges)
Mits Kawashima (Mits' Gym in Hawaii)

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #68 on: March 29, 2008, 09:34:58 PM »
I remember in one magazine where Mentzer referred to Franco Columbu as, "Anold's weak-willed Namby Pamby Lackey"..who would jump onstage,with a towel, to wipe Arnold's sweat off his forehead. I always got a chuckle out of that line.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #69 on: March 29, 2008, 09:38:15 PM »
 Frank Zane would often like to take little jabs at Franco.  Saying things like: Franco never had a probem with kneeling down before Arnold and posing ( I paraphrase).

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2008, 05:25:28 AM »
I agree that HIT is nonsense.. Only would work if you're a drug user. Doing forced reps and trying to get everything out of 1-3 sets is murder.

The best method is 5x5 heavy compound exercises.
An ex Mr. Universe Ahmet Enunlu, exactly told what you said.
HIT training is suited for drug users, but he doesn't use 5x5 method, he uses more of a high volume training.

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2008, 06:27:36 AM »
Interesting side-note: Tinnerino went to jail for pandering shortly after I'd attended his seminar.....

Tinnerino was jailed in the 1970's for hetro and homo pimping. Bob Birdsong was one of his most prolific whores. I remember Bob coming into the gym one morning when I was living in California and saying that he had a rough night of drinking and whoring the night before. "My mouth feels like the inside of a Parrot's cage" said Bob. "I'm not surprized, you had a "Cockatwo" in it last night grinned Dennis.
Did he go to jail in the 1980's as well ?
No wonder Bob and Dennis are such christians (both ministers) now. Another example of finding religion through dirty guilt.

Mike was not intellegent by the way. He was so stupid he actually couldn't see how obviously psudo his so called intellegence was. Arnold hated the way Mike tried to convince everyone he was in pre med. The only bodybuilder mentally thicker than Mike was Tom "buy my used trunks" Platz. He was always spouting about being into phylosophy but didn't have the vocabulary to articulate himself.


   



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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2008, 06:38:47 AM »
Mike's decline!

What a sad and pathetic creature Mike turned out to be. 

How 'weak minded' to let some 'meaningless jibes' from Arnold impact on the rest of your life!





I think if the truth were known you should keep your stupid mouth shut, you know nothing of what you speak, idiot!

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2008, 06:49:54 AM »
Mike was not intellegent by the way. He was so stupid he actually couldn't see how obviously psudo his so called intellegence was.

I agree with this 100%. Most of the people here, if not nearly all of them don't really know Ayn Rand's philosophy and neither did Mike Mentzer. Mentzer used to liberally sprinkle a lot of what Ayn Rand said in his writings, after having rehashed them to make it seem like they were his own thoughts and formulations. Far from it. And a lot of his training principles were just rehashed stuff that was originally coined by Arthur Jones.

I've read plenty of Mike Mentzer's writings and all of Ayn Rand's writings quite a few times and I can honestly say that Mike Mentzer was not an intellectual or original thinker by any means. All he did was memorize a bit of Objectivism and then injected a lot of it in his writings in key areas to try and make it appear like the whole integrated piece was a sound and original principle of training based on a philosophy of rationality. So he really didn't come up with anything new or original - he just tried to make it appear like he did.

Unfortunately for him, the end result became the equivalent of a cheap fabric that was full of patches borrowed from somewhere else that just didn't make for a masterpiece like he seems to think it would have :-\

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Re: Did Arnold really loathe Mentzer?
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2008, 07:19:22 AM »
I agree with this 100%. Most of the people here, if not nearly all of them don't really know Ayn Rand's philosophy and neither did Mike Mentzer. Mentzer used to liberally sprinkle a lot of what Ayn Rand said in his writings, after having rehashed them to make it seem like they were his own thoughts and formulations. Far from it. And a lot of his training principles were just rehashed stuff that was originally coined by Arthur Jones.
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Man, don't get me started.....You know, fcuk it, it's a beautiful Sunday and if Waddy wants to believe in his New-Age gobbledeegook there is no reason why you shouldn't believe in Objectivism. I. just. don't. have. the. energy. today.  :-\   ;)

/agree with the mentzer bit, tho