Bob Chic will petition to SEPARATE the 202s from the Open Class

[Zach Trowbridge]

The open guys don't have twice the opportunity to cash in...why should the 202 guys?

Best point so far in the thread.

[Neptuno]

Perhaps itīs time to watch several things.

Itīs necesary to know what was the cause for 202 class.

- For shorts, small bodybuilders who donīt have any oportunity in a lienup where only over 250 lbs can be saw by judging line

- To try get back to classics physiques where mass isnīt the most important part of bodybuilding, between other things the reason cause this sport losses fans. This way judges get back to consider this physiques judging it.

- Only a freelicense of events organizers, who put the money put the rules... In that cause we canīt do naything abuout it, cause in a soon future if i would be a organizer i can do any match i want to pay. The most muscular, better legs, tallest one... or a special class, under 250, americans, europeans,etc... All in a different time, of course apart from the main event.

In the first point we see right Bobīs petition.

In the second point is totally negative this petition, because this goal will be lost. Judges donīt watch this kind of physiques between big boys.

In the third point if my money rules, my money will be the scale

[MB]

I think the 202 will be more competitive than the open in the future.  Like Bob mentioned, 75% of the weight classes that turn pro are under 202.  They don't have to wait until their mid 30's, they can jump in at a young age like Flex Lewis and do very well.  Not only should it be separate from the open, but it should be on the Olympia stage this year, rather than at the expo.     

[240 is Back]

How many upset atheltes were tehre after little 202 Silvio took the crown last year from the big guys?

[andreisdaman]

ACTUALLY GUYS I THINK IT'S TIME FOR BODYBUILDING TO GO TO WEIGHT CLASSES..LIKE CHICK SAYS, MOR CHAMPIONS WOULD BE A GOOD THING..FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD HAVE THE FOLLOWING WEIGHT CLASSES

1) 180 AND UNDER AS ONE CLASS (this will encourage really small guys who are 5'5 and under to get into the sport as professionals)

2) 181 - 202  ( for guys like david henry and silvio)

3) 203 - 240

4) 241 - 280

5) 281 - 300 and beyond ( for the true mass monsters so they don't overwhelm the smaller competitors)

this will increase competition and rivalries because certain bodybuilders can take aim at other guys who they think they can beat or who they dislike...the magazines and fans can have a field day with all the BBer's taking aim at one another to knock each other off...the only problem with this scenario is that there may not be enough money to pay off all the potential winners in each weight class...what do you think Chick?  Is something like this viable?

 

[Chick]

ACTUALLY GUYS I THINK IT'S TIME FOR BODYBUILDING TO GO TO WEIGHT CLASSES..LIKE CHICK SAYS, MOR CHAMPIONS WOULD BE A GOOD THING..FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD HAVE THE FOLLOWING WEIGHT CLASSES

1) 180 AND UNDER AS ONE CLASS (this will encourage really small guys who are 5'5 and under to get into the sport as professionals)

2) 181 - 202  ( for guys like david henry and silvio)

3) 203 - 240

4) 241 - 280

5) 281 - 300 and beyond ( for the true mass monsters so they don't overwhelm the smaller competitors)

this will increase competition and rivalries because certain bodybuilders can take aim at other guys who they think they can beat or who they dislike...the magazines and fans can have a field day with all the BBer's taking aim at one another to knock each other off...the only problem with this scenario is that there may not be enough money to pay off all the potential winners in each weight class...what do you think Chick?  Is something like this viable?

 

Too many classes...you basically answered your own question...not enough money to go around, and too many unanswered questions with too many champs.

2 classes is more than enough, and manageable from a judging standpoint, and sponsor dollars...

[njflex]

Too many classes...you basically answered your own question...not enough money to go around, and too many unanswered questions with too many champs.

2 classes is more than enough, and manageable from a judging standpoint, and sponsor dollars...

i agree with bob here,thats why they have npc weight classes ,u can turn the pro card down and continue as amateur .some have done it,better to stay competive as a lightweight then compete as pro and be out of the money.if u wanted to see different shapes and sizes then the aau would have better for some bbers or fans,they had short,med short,med tal,tall,divisions .so for example u had vic terra in med short or short class and he was 5'4 over 200 and if u were 5'4 175 then u would be in trouble.but aau had great competitiors.

[stuntmovie]

Interesting reading here. SOmeone must have put the kids to bed! This is what this Board should be all about. Intelligent questions, remarks, and responses. I hope it's contagious and spreads to the rest of this GetBig Board.

I also hope that the competitive pros are showing just as much interest and making it known to Bob.

[Chick]

Interesting reading here. SOmeone must have put the kids to bed! This is what this Board should be all about. Intelligent questions, remarks, and responses. I hope it's contagious and spreads to the rest of this GetBig Board.

I also hope that the competitive pros are showing just as much interest and making it known to Bob.

THis will surprise you, Bill....out of all the 202 guys I've asked so far....ALL of them are in favor of making the 202 it's own distinct class, and not allow crossovers.

Makes sense for a lot of reasons, the main one being that I believe it takes away from the legitimacy of the class.

[Bob Bonham]

The O is special     the best of the best     should not have more than one class

[The Coach]

The O is special     the best of the best     should not have more than one class

Thats bullshit. There's been a ton of short people who should have won but never did ONLY because of their stature. What croc of crap.

[Chick]

The O is special     the best of the best     should not have more than one class

If it were able to be judged that way, I'd be with you 100%...

History shows, it isn't...we've seen the best physique in the world relegated to 2nd place on many occasions over the years, all to the bigger man.

[Sarcastic Deity]

tell him, chick

[BIG ACH]

Thats what I don't get, whats the point of the 202 class if they crossover.  Under 200 lbs competitors have been fighting for the 202 class forever and when they have it they go cross over ad compete in the open too.

Why not have 202 class and open, no crossovers, and have the winners of both division comepete against each other for an overall title?

[BIG ACH]

Chick, why 202 and nor 200 lbs???

[IFBBwannaB]

How I enjoy watching 240 trying to act smart and get tramped on 

[ja351]

Dont worry BIG ACH, you wont ever be 150lbs...

[BIG ACH]

Dont worry BIG ACH, you wont ever be 150lbs...

   Ok ?

[Chick]

Chick, why 202 and nor 200 lbs???

Why indeed..
I personally thought 205 made more sense for a variety of reasons...

[240 is Back]

How I enjoy watching 240 trying to act smart and get tramped on 

actually I thought this was a softball topic delivery, wouldn't ya agree?

[timfogarty]

The O is special     the best of the best     should not have more than one class

best of the best?   The following contestants in the 2007 Olympia have never won a pro contest:

Eddie Abbew
Mark Dugdale
Marcus Haley
Will Harris
Sergey Shelestov
Quincy Taylor
Bill Wilmore
Hidetada Yamagishi

[Chick]

best of the best?   The following contestants in the 2007 Olympia have never won a pro contest:

Eddie Abbew
Mark Dugdale
Marcus Haley
Will Harris
Sergey Shelestov
Quincy Taylor
Bill Wilmore
Hidetada Yamagishi

And your point is what?

They have playoffs in many sports...I'm watching the Olympics, they have the top 3 qualify on to the next round, not just the winner, etc, etc...How about rookies that have made quite a debut at the Olympia like Levrone and Wheeler? Guess they had no business being there either, right?

[timfogarty]

And your point is what?

Bob Bonham claimed that the Olympia is the best of the best.  if they let people in who've never won a pro contest, it's hard to call it that.

the olympia use to be the best of the best.  only winners of other major contests were invited.   not sure when that changed. 

I'm watching the Olympics, they have the top 3 qualify on to the next round, not just the winner

kind of hard to have a track or a pool that is 40 lanes wide

How about rookies that have made quite a debut at the Olympia like Levrone and Wheeler?  Guess they had no business being there either, right?

Levrone won the NOC prior to his Olympia debut.  Wheeler won the Arnold and the Ironman prior to his Olympia debut.

[Joe Roark]

I have not checked this, but probably [most] every IFBB pro contest has allowed competitors who had not at that point won an IFBB pro contest. But the overall quality of contestants at the Olympia is better than the overall quality at other IFBB pro shows, so in that sense it is the best of the best.

Coleman and Cutler did not have parade leading introductions with their initial Olympia competitions, but they later did okay.

Wheeler began 1993 by setting a record of four consecutive wins before competing in that year's Olympia.

[Moosejay]

And your point is what?

They have playoffs in many sports...I'm watching the Olympics, they have the top 3 qualify on to the next round, not just the winner, etc, etc...How about rookies that have made quite a debut at the Olympia like Levrone and Wheeler? Guess they had no business being there either, right?

Correct Bob. All very fine bb's, and deserving to grace the O stage