I CANNOT NAME nor have EVER MET an Intelligent Religious Person.

[TrapsMcLats]

Discuss.

Bob Dylan isn't intelligent?
Bono?

[mrusa85]

Anyone see Ben Stein's movie "Expelled?"

[Harry Spotter]

I'm listening.  What scientific evidence are you talking about?  I'm not that strong in the area.  I know that something created the universe.  I don't know what it was.  But I know that no man has that ability.  Therefore something more powerful - and with significantly greater creation abilities - than man exists.  The Creator.

I don't know if it's something with a conscious, or something else.

....and does the creator also look towards his heaven and ponder "something more powerful - and with significantly greater creation abilities - than man me exist.  The My Creator."

[calfzilla]

Don`t think of the universe in Anthropocentric terms.  Humans are meaningless to the planet and are but a blink of a fraction of a second in the history of earth.

I agree.  Can't wait till we are all gone so the planet can once again restore itself to greatness. 

[Deicide]

I agree.  Can't wait till we are all gone so the planet can once again restore itself to greatness. 

Word...

[big L dawg]

bill mahr.....

[loco]

I can.

First you have to know enough and surround yourself with enough intelligent people in order to meet those among them who are religious.

Richard Dawkins knows plenty of intelligent people.

As examples of "good scientists who are sincerely religious", Dawkins names Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne and Francis Collins.
- Dawkins, Richard (2006). The God Delusion, 99. ISBN 0-618-68000-4. 

Here are more:

Among the fathers of the so-called modern synthesis, Theodosius Dobzhansky was a Christian and something of an amateur theologian; Sir Ronald Fisher was a deeply devout Anglican who, between founding modern statistics and population genetics, penned articles for church magazines.
- H. Allen Orr, "Gould on God", Can religion and science be happily reconciled?
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR24.5/orr.html

And that's just to name a few.

[Deicide]

I can.

First you have to know enough and surround yourself with enough intelligent people in order to meet those among them who are religious.

Richard Dawkins knows plenty of intelligent people.

As examples of "good scientists who are sincerely religious", Dawkins names Arthur Peacocke, Russell Stannard, John Polkinghorne and Francis Collins.
- Dawkins, Richard (2006). The God Delusion, 99. ISBN 0-618-68000-4. 

Here are more:

Among the fathers of the so-called modern synthesis, Theodosius Dobzhansky was a Christian and something of an amateur theologian; Sir Ronald Fisher was a deeply devout Anglican who, between founding modern statistics and population genetics, penned articles for church magazines.
- H. Allen Orr, "Gould on God", Can religion and science be happily reconciled?
http://www.bostonreview.net/BR24.5/orr.html

And that's just to name a few.

And none of these people believes that the world is 6,000 years old Loco...

[loco]

And none of these people believes that the world is 6,000 years old Loco...

Yes...and?  What does that have to do with the title of this thread?  They are all devout Christians, "sincerely religious", and they are all very intelligent people.

[Deicide]

Yes...and?  What does that have to do with the title of this thread?  They are all devout Christians, "sincerely religious", and they are all very intelligent people.

Exactly, not like MCWAY and company...none of these men is a creationist...

[Nordic Superman]

Don`t think of the universe in Anthropocentric terms.  Humans are meaningless to the planet and are but a blink of a fraction of a second in the history of earth.

I agree.  Can't wait till we are all gone so the planet can once again restore itself to greatness. 

Word...

This nonsense is just as ridiculous as believing in a God and miracles.

What is meaningful to the planet? Nothing is, everything is made of atoms, uncaring, unconscious - particles.

If we existed in 50%+ of the Earth's history HOW exactly would that change things?

If you can't wait, why are you still alive?

If you subscribe to that way of thinking, wouldn't be advantageous for you to commit suicide?

[The True Adonis]

This nonsense is just as ridiculous as believing in a God and miracles.

What is meaningful to the planet? Nothing is, everything is made of atoms, uncaring, unconscious - particles.

If we existed in 50%+ of the Earth's history HOW exactly would that change things?

If you can't wait, why are you still alive?

If you subscribe to that way of thinking, wouldn't be advantageous for you to commit suicide?

I would be missing out on a fantastic lunch if I ended it all early.

[wavelength]

Without mankind, there is no world. When mankind dies, the world dies with it.

[Nordic Superman]

Without mankind, there is no world. When mankind dies, the world dies with it.

Basically, I agree with this from a Atheist viewpoint. Anyone who wishes for the end of mankind so Earth can go back to "glory" is lost.

Animals do not appreciate the Earth in the same way we do either, so that's a null point.

[wavelength]

Basically, I agree with this from a Atheist viewpoint. Anyone who wishes for the end of mankind so Earth can go back to "glory" is lost.

Animals do not appreciate the Earth in the same way we do either, so that's a null point.

I'm not saying that without human consciousness there would be nothing. However, what there is, is completely outside the human realm. You're right that this can be a valid Atheist view-point. However, it is not a valid scientific-positivistic view point. Point being, you are not a scientific positivist. 

[Nordic Superman]

I'm not saying that without human consciousness there would be nothing. However, what there is, is completely outside the human realm. You're right that this can be a valid Atheist view-point. However, it is not a valid scientific-positivistic view point. Point being, you are not a scientific positivist. 

I'm selfish, if humans (my creed) aren't here to enjoy the Earth and the universe I'd rather it not exist.

[Deicide]

I'm not saying that without human consciousness there would be nothing. However, what there is, is completely outside the human realm. You're right that this can be a valid Atheist view-point. However, it is not a valid scientific-positivistic view point. Point being, you are not a scientific positivist. 

Yes he is.

[wavelength]

Yes he is.

Of course! 

[MCWAY]

Exactly, not like MCWAY and company...none of these men is a creationist...

Maybe not. But Drs. Duane Gish, Kurt Wise, Andrew Snelling, and the late Dr. D. James Kennedy ARE creationists ("young earth Creationists"), with Dr. Kennedy listed among the "2000 Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th Century".

[loco]

And none of these people believes that the world is 6,000 years old Loco...

none of these men is a creationist...

There are Old Earth creationists too.

[wavelength]

I'm selfish, if humans (my creed) aren't here to enjoy the Earth and the universe I'd rather it not exist.

Haha, all wishful thinking! Sounds familiar?  

[Decker]

Maybe not. But Drs. Duane Gish, Kurt Wise, Andrew Snelling, and the late Dr. D. James Kennedy ARE creationists ("young earth Creationists"), with Dr. Kennedy listed among the "2000 Outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th Century".

You have got to be kidding me. 

Kennedy, with his luxurious flowing robes and giant devil ears, was an inside-the-box run-of-the-mill rightwing preacher.  I've watched him preach many times.  Arnold Murray's scholarly approach to biblical interpretation puts Kennedy's pompous preachings to shame.

Who drafted this list of outstanding intellectuals list?  Was it Kennedy himself?  Was Kent Hovind on the list?

[MCWAY]

You have got to be kidding me. 

Kennedy, with his luxurious flowing robes and giant devil ears, was an inside-the-box run-of-the-mill rightwing preacher.  I've watched him preach many times.  Arnold Murray's scholarly approach to biblical interpretation puts Kennedy's pompous preachings to shame.

Who drafted this list of outstanding intellectuals list?  Was it Kennedy himself?  Was Kent Hovind on the list?

Nope!

Kennedy's accolades also include:

- 1000 Leaders of World Influence by the American Biographical Institute,
- International Man of the Year (1999-2000), International Biographical Center, Cambridge England

[OTHstrong]

Nope!

Kennedy's accolades also include:

- 1000 Leaders of World Influence by the American Biographical Institute,
- International Man of the Year (1999-2000), International Biographical Center, Cambridge England

Good Job McWay. if I have to count the amount of times that an evolutionist replies in this manner..."you've got to be kidding" or "oh brother" it would be one crazy number

[Deedee]

Nope!

Kennedy's accolades also include:

- 1000 Leaders of World Influence by the American Biographical Institute,
- International Man of the Year (1999-2000), International Biographical Center, Cambridge England

   You're joking right?  Those are fake scammer organizations, like the writing/poetry equivalents, where you submit your name, which is then carefully considered from amongst a gezillion other worthy people, (and of course every one of the gezillion is selected for the honor) at no charge, except you have to cough over $500 to pay for the inclusion of your name in the finely bound, beautiful volume to commemorate your achievement.