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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #725 on: December 03, 2008, 01:56:22 PM »
As is typical Neo, everything must be explained to you in triplicate.  Only on you, would the irony be lost of posting a picture with the aim of discrediting the physique featured, while the caption of that picture reaffirms the dominance of that very physique.  It is the owning of the worst kind, a self-owning.

Neo=Owned!

hahahaha, brutal 16 inch arms in that shot. :D

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« Reply #726 on: December 03, 2008, 02:01:29 PM »
hahahaha, brutal 16 inch arms in that shot. :D

Oh so you're back to claiming you have bigger arms than Dorian again? same contest whats your excuse now Dave?  ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #727 on: December 03, 2008, 02:24:52 PM »
ND, notice that as much as the trolls keep trying, and failing, to exploit photos to prove their case, that none of them has had the balls to utter a peep in reference to the clip posted of Dorian's 1995 routine.   They are either scared to view it, or they know without question, even within their intellectually challenged minds, that the form he displays can't be matched.




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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #728 on: December 03, 2008, 02:31:42 PM »
ND, notice that as much as the trolls keep trying, and failing, to exploit photos to prove their case, that none of them has had the balls to utter a peep in reference to the clip posted of Dorian's 1995 routine.   They are either scared to view it, or they know without question, even within their intellectually challenged minds, that the form he displays can't be matched.




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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #729 on: December 03, 2008, 02:33:24 PM »
ND, notice that as much as the trolls keep trying, and failing, to exploit photos to prove their case, that none of them has had the balls to utter a peep in reference to the clip posted of Dorian's 1995 routine.   They are either scared to view it, or they know without question, even within their intellectually challenged minds, that the form he displays can't be matched.





That videos silences the ignorant , I'm still laughing that a 247 pound Ronnie has a thicker wider back than Dorian at 260 pounds lol

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« Reply #730 on: December 03, 2008, 05:42:36 PM »
As is typical Neo, everything must be explained to you in triplicate.  Only on you, would the irony be lost of posting a picture with the aim of discrediting the physique featured, while the caption of that picture reaffirms the dominance of that very physique.  It is the owning of the worst kind, a self-owning.

so you concede that you're wrong since you have yet to explain how I was "owned?" ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #731 on: December 03, 2008, 05:44:34 PM »
I'm still waiting... ;)

I'm not surprised. 

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« Reply #732 on: December 03, 2008, 06:06:34 PM »
I'm not surprised.

bwahaha, it's so fun watching you dodge an explanation to avoid embarrassment. How was I owned when the caption pertains to Dorian's competition during his reign? It has nothing to do with a peak Ronnie, which is what this discussion is comparing. Moreover, I never said Dorian had a crappy back. He had the second best back of all-time despite its flaws. So I ask you one more time: how was I owned? If you fail to provide a valid reason, then you concede that you're wrong. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #733 on: December 03, 2008, 06:09:23 PM »
bwahaha, it's so fun watching you dodge an explanation to avoid embarrassment. How was I owned when the caption pertains to Dorian's competition during his reign? It has nothing to do with a peak Ronnie, which is what this discussion is comparing. Moreover, I never said Dorian had a crappy back. He had the second best back of all-time despite its flaws. So I ask you one more time: how was I owned? If you fail to provide a valid reason, then you concede that you're wrong. ;)

more hypocrisy , like you dodged my post exposing you for manipulating quotes?  ;) you didn't dare respond because you're fucked and know it

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« Reply #734 on: December 03, 2008, 06:27:42 PM »
more hypocrisy , like you dodged my post exposing you for manipulating quotes? you didn't dare respond because you're fucked and know it

thanks for following me, puppy. You came for your milkshake? ;)


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #735 on: December 03, 2008, 06:31:43 PM »
thanks for following me, puppy. You came for your milkshake? ;)

wow another failure on your behalf , great attempt at avoiding your vicious owning yet again lol  ;) it's only getting worse for especially in the new interview Dorian confirms just about everything I said all along , it's nice when you have what matters the most confirm your point of view is accurate , to bad you don;t have any IFBB judges confirming what you claim lol




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« Reply #736 on: December 03, 2008, 06:53:33 PM »
wow another failure on your behalf , great attempt at avoiding your vicious owning yet again lol it's only getting worse for especially in the new interview Dorian confirms just about everything I said all along , it's nice when you have what matters the most confirm your point of view is accurate , to bad you don;t have any IFBB judges confirming what you claim lol

boy, you really hurt yourself with that quote. It must burn you to know I own your ass. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #737 on: December 03, 2008, 06:58:21 PM »
boy, you really hurt yourself with that quote. It must burn you to know I own your ass. ;)

you own nothing and we both know it , you manipulated quotes and I exposed you for it and you didn't dare respond

and the quote didn't hurt anything it's in relation to your owning , enjoy dummy  ;)


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« Reply #738 on: December 03, 2008, 07:06:54 PM »
you own nothing and we both know it , you manipulated quotes and I exposed you for it and you didn't dare respond

and the quote didn't hurt anything it's in relation to your owning , enjoy dummy

yawn, you exposed nothing. I have owned you repeatedly and you keep responding like a fool who doesn't know when to give up. Enjoy dummy! ;)


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #739 on: December 03, 2008, 07:16:49 PM »
yawn, you exposed nothing. I have owned you repeatedly and you keep responding like a fool who doesn't know when to give up. Enjoy dummy! ;)



now you're reduced to copying me yet again lol you're always playing follow the leader lol the milkshake quote backfired on you in grand fashion you tried to turn it into something gay , what does that tell us on where your train of thought is? lol

you don't own shit , you never owned shit , you made a bunch of claims that were all wrong and I corrected you on , you follow me around from thread to thread begging for my attention trying to equal the score lol I drink your milkshake kid I drink it up

and I'm going to expose even more of your BULL SHIT right now lol you're once again fucked kid , the best part of debating with you dummies is eventually I was proven right by the people who matter the most , IFBB judges lol and you idiots are left looking real stupid and to proud to admit you were just crushed by someone who always knew what they were talking about


now Neo what were you saying about ' loose skin ' ?

[ Q ] So you were aiming for optimal conditioning and the size you were able to maintain pre-contest was a natural consequence of the training you did in the final months and weeks leading into the show?
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      I trained for size in the off-season, but when it came time to get ready for a contest it was all about coming in shredded. The glutes must be striated, with the lower back shredded, no water anywhere, no loose skin. Like you are covered in cling-film.


Neo = owned again by me and Dorian Yates LOL



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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #740 on: December 03, 2008, 07:24:45 PM »
Honestly ND, Neo clearly lacks the intellectual capacity to joust on-line versus two cerebral individuals like you and I.  In fact, might I suggest that by our dignifying his buffoonery with a response, our own cognitive abilities may begin to suffer.  To truly appeal to his level of understanding would necessitate our "dumbing down" or replies, which even then, will likely fall upon deaf ears. The reality is, that the video of Dorian in all his 1995 glory is really the final word, to which the trolls have not been able to provide an answer.  Nor will they.  

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #741 on: December 03, 2008, 07:29:13 PM »
Honestly ND, Neo clearly lacks the intellectual capacity to joust on-line versus two cerebral individuals like you and I.  In fact, might I suggest that by our dignifying his buffoonery with a response, our own cognitive abilities may begin to suffer.  To truly appeal to his level of understanding would necessitate our "dumbing down" or replies, which even then, will likely fall upon deaf ears. The reality is, that the video of Dorian in all his 1995 glory is really the final word, to which the trolls have not been able to provide an answer.  Nor will they.  

I don't mind debating anyone on the topic of bodybuilding , I enjoy talking about the subject . but this kid is constantly wrong and I do enjoy correcting him , it's astounding how off the mark he is on all things competitive bodybuilding . but I get your point these guys have moved past the point of debate and just attempt to defame , attack and bash it's shame too because Dorian speaks so highly of Ronnie and Ronnie does of Yates , to bad his fans are so wrapped up in hate , but I understand why because their hero simply couldn't best Yates and they know it

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #742 on: December 03, 2008, 07:32:31 PM »
now Neo what were you saying about ' loose skin ' ?

[ Q ] So you were aiming for optimal conditioning and the size you were able to maintain pre-contest was a natural consequence of the training you did in the final months and weeks leading into the show?
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I trained for size in the off-season, but when it came time to get ready for a contest it was all about coming in shredded. The glutes must be striated, with the lower back shredded, no water anywhere, no loose skin. Like you are covered in cling-film.

Oh noes!!! So b/c Dorian said so, it must be true!!! :o

get the f*ck out of here with that nonsense. The pics clearly show he had loose folds of skin. If he said he was 100% black, would you believe him? ::)






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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #743 on: December 03, 2008, 07:38:08 PM »
Oh noes!!! So b/c Dorian said so, it must be true!!! :o

get out of here with that nonsense. The pics clearly show he had loose folds of skin. If he said he was 100% black, would you believe him? ::)


Ha ha ha ha once again you played your hand arguing with an IFBB judge , you're confusing wrinkles with loose skin lol you committed to this ignorant claim in a pathetic attempt to gain an advantage and now that you've been exposed and ME vindicated what are you going to say? I don't expect you to have any integrity and admit the obvious lol

in black & white Yates says specifically what I claimed all along NO LOOSE SKIN and IFBB judge the cream of the crop lol you're so fucked right now kid it's not funny lol I'm sure you read the interview and he puts to bed a LOT of the ignorant shit you spewed lol remember posting pictures of Pop-N-Fresh and Yates at 270 in the B&W pics , claiming he was soft lol and I told you he was in better shape than anyone lol oh and how about Dorian looking better in person? LOL

everything I ever typed as validated by a IFBB judge lol

I'm right , I've always been right and you're wrong I crushed you and your dumb opinion , bow down to the superior intellect you dummy  ;)

I drink your milkshake lol

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #744 on: December 03, 2008, 07:48:49 PM »
Ha ha ha ha once again you played your hand arguing with an IFBB judge , you're confusing wrinkles with loose skin lol you committed to this ignorant claim in a pathetic attempt to gain an advantage and now that you've been exposed and ME vindicated what are you going to say? I don't expect you to have any integrity and admit the obvious lol

in black & white Yates says specifically what I claimed all along NO LOOSE SKIN and IFBB judge the cream of the crop lol you're so fucked right now kid it's not funny lol I'm sure you read the interview and he puts to bed a LOT of the ignorant shit you spewed lol remember posting pictures of Pop-N-Fresh and Yates at 270 in the B&W pics , claiming he was soft lol and I told you he was in better shape than anyone lol oh and how about Dorian looking better in person? LOL

sorry kiddo, but the pics clearly show he's wrong. You can keep your fallible testimony. I will rely on infallible visual evidence. ;)

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #745 on: December 03, 2008, 07:50:32 PM »
I don't mind debating anyone on the topic of bodybuilding , I enjoy talking about the subject . but this kid is constantly wrong and I do enjoy correcting him , it's astounding how off the mark he is on all things competitive bodybuilding . but I get your point these guys have moved past the point of debate and just attempt to defame , attack and bash it's shame too because Dorian speaks so highly of Ronnie and Ronnie does of Yates , to bad his fans are so wrapped up in hate , but I understand why because their hero simply couldn't best Yates and they know it

Precisely.  By my own admission, I am not a Coleman fan. That being said, when I have felt one of his victories was just, I have said as much.  Certainly, we all have a degree of bias, but we must maintain some objectivity if we are to have even a shred of credibility.  I have found that logical reasoning tends to go out the window with Neo and those of his ilk.  Although I usually hesitate to indulge in such antics, I have recently resorted to giving such individuals a taste of their own medicine, by way of posting "select" photos of their hero in a less than top form.  Rather than picking up upon the intended satire of my doing so, they cry foul with hypocrisy.  What they fail miserably to realize, is that the opinion we have expressed of Dorian being greater than that of Ronnie is not precipitated upon the application of our own personal criteria, but rather, the application of the IFBB judging criteria.  Those can be two very different things.  If they feel, by way of their own personal standards that it is the reverse, that is their right, but such sentiment really does not fall in line with actual judging guidelines.

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« Reply #746 on: December 03, 2008, 08:21:08 PM »
Precisely.  By my own admission, I am not a Coleman fan. That being said, when I have felt one of his victories was just, I have said as much.  Certainly, we all have a degree of bias, but we must maintain some objectivity if we are to have even a shred of credibility.  I have found that logical reasoning tends to go out the window with Neo and those of his ilk.  Although I usually hesitate to indulge in such antics, I have recently resorted to giving such individuals a taste of their own medicine, by way of posting "select" photos of their hero in a less than top form.  Rather than picking up upon the intended satire of my doing so, they cry foul with hypocrisy.  What they fail miserably to realize, is that the opinion we have expressed of Dorian being greater than that of Ronnie is not precipitated upon the application of our own personal criteria, but rather, the application of the IFBB judging criteria.  Those can be two very different things.  If they feel, by way of their own personal standards that it is the reverse, that is their right, but such sentiment really does not fall in line with actual judging guidelines.

translation: I prefer Dorian but I'm going to use superfluous wording to make it appear like I know what I'm talking about. ;)


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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #747 on: December 03, 2008, 10:04:55 PM »
translation: I prefer Dorian but I'm going to use superfluous wording to make it appear like I know what I'm talking about. ;)



Dorian's physique at its peak is more exemplitive of the IFBB judging guidelines, than was Ronnie's.  This pivotal factor, along with much larger margins of victory, coupled with a far better win/loss ratio, are more than substantive on which to base a conclusion of Dorian being superior.  To make no mention of the rather convincing video that continues to get nary a mention from the Coleman faithful. Ronnie's own words affirm such a conclusion.  As such, perhaps you should take up your case with Ronnie as well.  While I am sure Ronnie would find it flattering that you consider him superior in physique, I am not as confident in his response to the acrimony you reserve for anyone not in agreement with you.  And make no mistake, his lack of agreement is quite explicit.




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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #748 on: December 03, 2008, 10:40:57 PM »
Dorian's physique at its peak is more exemplitive of the IFBB judging guidelines, than was Ronnie's.

wrong. Ronnie's combination of muscular bulk, symmetry, definition, shape, taper, and fullness would edge out Dorian. All of the above are part of the IFBB judging criteria, and Ronnie matches or exceeds Dorian in each category. This confirms what all the professional bodybuilders, industry experts, magazine writers, and the IFBB co-founder have said. ;)

Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder

"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."

Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49

"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."

Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005

"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."

Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer

"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"

http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis

Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212

"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."

Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html

"From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great."

Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004

"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."

Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website

"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."

Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004

"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."

Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004

"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."

Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999

"I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived. "

Dexter Jackson - Flex, January 2004

"As to Ronnie, that dude is by far the best bodybuilder on earth, he is in a class by himself, and no one will be able to touch him for years to come."

John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website

"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."

Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)

"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."

Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006

"I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been."

Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004

"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."

"Ronnie Coleman is absolutely phenomenal, and I really mean that. I would also agree with all the experts who believe that he is the best bodybuilder of all time. However, I don't think he has the most aesthetic body of all time, but having said that, he certainly is the best (for IFBB pro judges) in bodybuilding."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0

Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official

"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0

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Re: 1993 - best ever!
« Reply #749 on: December 04, 2008, 07:30:30 AM »
If Ronnie were truly superior, then one would have expected his victories to have had an even greater margin of victory than those of Dorian's reign.  History proves that Dorian won by a much greater margin against the same top competitors, who were arguably in better condition while competing against Dorian.  How is it that as the quality of the competition diminished, Ronnie could not win in a more convincing fashion than that of the champion that preceded him? 

The 1995 clip of Dorian has the Coleman faithful running scared.  Too afraid to confront the truth.