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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2008, 01:00:55 PM »
How long have you been waiting to unleash that dimwitted gem?


did you just get home from work to find chocolate gizz crying, and you had to stand up for your lover?

why pick up for another annonymous man on the internet?  ::)


nice comeback also, but if i wanted my cumback id scrap it off your moms teeth.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2008, 01:13:34 PM »

did you just get home from work to find chocolate gizz crying, and you had to stand up for your lover?

why pick up for another annonymous man on the internet?  ::)


nice comeback also, but if i wanted my cumback id scrap it off your moms teeth.

He merely highlighted your weak ability to produce a funny retort, as did I.

Stick to the facts.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2008, 01:21:50 PM »
amino acid competition nullifies there individual effects and metabolism. Eating them seperately has seperate effects. How is d-phenyalanine a analgesic and anti depressant when taken seperately but not in the form of whole protien? Your body utilizes them differently, bcaas also have a completely seperate metabolism from other aminos.

bullshit, protein is protein.

you can prove me wrong with studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects.
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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2008, 02:32:07 PM »
bullshit, protein is protein.

you can prove me wrong with studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects.

protein is protien, i didnt say it wasnt, obviously you have a comprehension problem.


different amino acids exert different effects when taken seperately. Leucine interferes with tryptophans conversion for example, hence the lack of fatigue related to serotonergic sides while taking bcaas when training.

do you really want me to post studies showing how amino acids compete for absorption, and that when taken alone have unique effects? I certainly can do that, if i do, delete you account, one less idiot.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2008, 02:33:49 PM »
He merely highlighted your weak ability to produce a funny retort, as did I.

Stick to the facts.

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you guys make a cute couple.


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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2008, 02:36:32 PM »
you guys make a cute couple.



Hmmm, a none too funny picture accompanied [again] by a none to funny bon mot.

I'll give you this much, you have nonchalantly achieved the tri-fecta of bland retorts.

Dullard.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2008, 02:38:34 PM »
Usmokepole owning alot of minds here in this thread.  ;D

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2008, 02:41:46 PM »
Hmmm, a none too funny picture accompanied [again] by a none to funny bon mot.

I'll give you this much, you have nonchalantly achieved the tri-fecta of bland retorts.

Dullard.

bwhahahhahahhaha jesus you are lame as shit, is that the best you can come up with. You remind me of bezerkfury and some of the other geeks i destroyed on the V a while back, piggy backing off others posts and saying nothing original.

hahhahahahaa I bet your the type of fag that gives head for bus money then decides to walk home.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2008, 02:44:52 PM »
bwhahahhahahhaha jesus you are lame as shit, is that the best you can come up with. You remind me of bezerkfury and some of the other geeks i destroyed on the V a while back, piggy backing off others posts and saying nothing original.

hahhahahahaa I bet your the type of fag that gives head for bus money then decides to walk home.


I bet Larry David is shitting himself.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2008, 02:46:52 PM »
bullshit, protein is protein.

you can prove me wrong with studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects.

here is some basic biochemistry, i wont charge for two questions.

http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/amino-acid-metabolism.html

note some of the different pathways and the ATP required. Ever wonder why tyrosine is in fat loss supps and not whole protein? perhaps is has to due with its metabolism involving TSH and t3/t4 with the numbers denoting tyrosine molecules.

Its actually common knowledge that amino acids compete for substrates, namely, atp,nadh, fadh etc...


anything else? I bet i have you sweating more then a blind lesbian in a tuna factory. :D

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2008, 02:50:34 PM »

I bet Larry David is shitting himself.

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say something clever and i will respond.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2008, 02:57:43 PM »
Protein is not protein people!!!!!!.IF that was the case a 35% Whey protein Concentrate would be just as good as a 92% Whey protein Isolate.I personally wont use or blend asny protein that is less then 80% pure protein because anything less has Lactose and impurities.How to tell what percentage your protein ,simple just take the serving size and divide it by the amount of protein per serving.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2008, 03:09:40 PM »
Protein is not protein people!!!!!!.IF that was the case a 35% Whey protein Concentrate would be just as good as a 92% Whey protein Isolate.I personally wont use or blend asny protein that is less then 80% pure protein because anything less has Lactose and impurities.How to tell what percentage your protein ,simple just take the serving size and divide it by the amount of protein per serving.

for sake of argument you are correct, i agree i was merely talking about the macronutrient. The same argument goes for carbs and fats, being different.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2008, 06:33:31 PM »
Flexington, if you can prove to me that you did infact buy our Nitro 92, even though you returned it, I will send you out a free bottle of ECA, our Blade Hardcore with a free t-shirt .Just for your trouble.
Our customer satisfaction rate is a strong 99.6 % we hardly ever get returns, and if we do, we make sure we take care of the customer.We never forgot that the simple fact that the customer is the reason why we are in buisness, and without them we wouldnt be in buissness.
Thank you again for your buissness...

bro, why would i lie about getting the runs from ur product.

I ordered it last year off of bodybuilding.com

I dont want any free supps, there are only about 3 or 4 supps that i really do take, so i was only joking ( if u would have sent it to me, i would have sold it to some teenagers at the gym lol )

so yea, i dont feel like finding the email confirmation, but ur protein gave me the splatter shits! :)

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2008, 09:51:23 PM »
I take Vitamin C, E, B-Complex, Multi, and Fish Oil.
I swear the B-Complex started giving me a tremendous increase of energy, but it went away after a while.

I used to take protein, but I stopped.
Someone told me powders are not a complete protein, so they won't really help building muscle.
I don't know what the final verdict is here; I haven't studied nutrition.
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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2008, 10:04:49 PM »
Someone told me powders are not a complete protein, so they won't really help building muscle.
I don't know what the final verdict is here; I haven't studied nutrition.

Obviously.  Whoever told you that is a fucking retard.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2008, 02:58:24 PM »
protein is protien, i didnt say it wasnt, obviously you have a comprehension problem.


different amino acids exert different effects when taken seperately. Leucine interferes with tryptophans conversion for example, hence the lack of fatigue related to serotonergic sides while taking bcaas when training.

do you really want me to post studies showing how amino acids compete for absorption, and that when taken alone have unique effects? I certainly can do that, if i do, delete you account, one less idiot.

clearly you are the one with the comprehention problem.

i asked you for studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects.

you try to change the subject and act smart by telling me to read about animo acid metabolism  ::)

you have owned yourself you dumb cvnt.

once again, for your simpleton mind - if you can show me studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects i will admit you have owned me publically on this forum, and say sorry.

if not disappear and never have the cheek to address me again.

i am just angry that i missed this for so long and allowed your feeble ego to grow for a few days by believing you have owned me in any way shape or form. ::)
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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2008, 03:30:48 PM »
clearly you are the one with the comprehention problem.

i asked you for studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects.

you try to change the subject and act smart by telling me to read about animo acid metabolism  ::)

you have owned yourself you dumb ####.

once again, for your simpleton mind - if you can show me studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects i will admit you have owned me publically on this forum, and say sorry.

if not disappear and never have the cheek to address me again.

i am just angry that i missed this for so long and allowed your feeble ego to grow for a few days by believing you have owned me in any way shape or form. ::)

sure you fucktard, i can do that quite easily. LOL, first a simple review. This is simply shit i had on my hard-drive, i didnt even have to re search pubmed LOL.

 Med Hypotheses. 2000 Oct;55(4):283-8. Links
DL-phenylalanine markedly potentiates opiate analgesia - an example of nutrient/pharmaceutical up-regulation of the endogenous analgesia system.Russell AL, McCarty MF.
Brampton Pain Clinic, Bramalea, Ontario, Canada.

In the author's clinical experience, concurrent treatment with DL-phenylalanine (DLPA) often appears to potentiate pain relief and also ease depression in patients receiving opiates for chronic non-malignant pain. An analysis of this phenomenon suggests that it may be mediated, at least in part, by up-regulation of the 'endogenous analgesia system' (EAS), a neural pathway that projects caudally from medullary nuclei to the dorsal horn of the spinal column; when stimulated by chronic pain or therapeutic measures such as opiates or acupuncture, the EAS suppresses activation of second-order pain-receptive neurons in the dorsal horn, and thereby alleviates pain. Since serotonin and enkephalins are key neurotransmitters in the EAS, it is reasonable to predict that measures which promote serotonin activity (such as 5-hydroxytryptophan and serotonin-reuptake inhibitors) as well as enkephalin activity (such as D-phenylalanine, an enkephalinase inhibitor) should potentiate EAS-mediated analgesia - a view consistent with much previous medical research. Comprehensive support of the EAS with well-tolerated nutrients and pharmaceuticals may amplify the analgesic efficacy of chronic opiate therapy, while enabling dosage reductions that minimize opiate side-effects. Analogously, this approach may complement the efficacy of acupuncture and other analgesic measures that activate the EAS. Copyright 2000 Harcourt Publishers Ltd.

VERSUS A TRICYCLIC ANTI-DEPRESSANT

1: Arch Psychiatr Nervenkr. 1979 Jul 4;227(1):49-58.Links
DL-phenylalanine versus imipramine: a double-blind controlled study.Beckmann H, Athen D, Olteanu M, Zimmer R.
In a double-blind study, DL-phenylalanine (150--200 mg/24 h) or imipramine (150--200 mg/24 h) was administered to 40 depressed patients (20 patients in each group) for 30 days. Diagnoses were established according to the International Classification of Disease (ICD). The AMP system, the Hamilton Depression Scale and the Bf-S self rating questionnaire (von Zerssen et al., 1974) were used to document psychopathological, neurologic, and somatic changes. Twenty-seven patients (14 on imipramine, 13 on phenylalanine) completed the 30-day trial. No statistical difference could be found between these two drug treatment groups (Student's t-test) using the Hamilton Depression Scale and the Bf-S self rating questionnaire. Ratings for anxiety were significantly lower in the imipramine group on days 10 and 20, but not on day 30; in addition, sleep disturbances were more influenced by imipramine on days 1, 5, and 10, but not on days 20 and 30. Separate analysis of psychopathological syndromes as somatic depressive syndrome and retarded depressive syndrome did not show a group difference (0.05 level of significance using a two-way analysis of variance). It is concluded that DL-phenylalanine might have substantial antidepresant properties. However, certain methodological considerations still warrant a careful interpretation.


1: J Neural Transm. 1977;41(2-3):123-34. Links
Dl-phenylalanine in depressed patients: an open study.Beckmann H, Strauss MA, Ludolph E.
In an open study dl-phenylalanine in doses from 75-200 mg/day was administered to 20 depressed patients for 20 days. Patients were classified according to the International Classification of Diseases (ICD). The AMP system, the Hamilton depression scale and the von Zerssen self rating questionnaire were used for documentation of psychopathological, neurologic and somatic changes. In addition a global clinical impression was agreed upon by experienced psychiatrists. At the end of the trial 12 patients (8 with complete, 4 with good response) could be discharged without any further treatment. 4 patients with partially untypical depressions experienced mild to moderate responses, whereas 4 patients did not respond at all to the phenylalanine administration. Depressive "core symptoms" as depressed mood, retardation and/or agitation were preferentially, anxiety and sleep disturbances moderately and hypochondriasis and compulsiveness were not influenced. It is concluded that dl-phenylalanine might have substantial antidepressant properties and that further more controlled investigations are warranted.


1: Arzneimittelforschung. 1978;28(8):1283-4.Links
[DL-phenylalanine as an antidepressant. Open study (author's transl)][Article in German]


Beckmann H, Ludolph E.
In an open study dl-phenylalanine in doses from 75--200 mg/day was administered to 20 depressed patients for 20 days. At the end of the trial 12 patients (8 with complete, 4 with good response) could be discharged without any further treatment. 4 patients with partially untypical depressions experienced mild to moderate responses, whereas 4 patients did not respond at all to the phenylalanine administration. Depressive "core symptoms" as depressed mood, retardation and/or agitation were preferentially, anxiety and sleep disturbances moderately and hypochondriasis and compulsiveness were not influenced. It is concluded that dl-phenylalanine might have substantial antidepressant properties and that further controlled investigations are justified.


Heres an article explaining a study in laymans terms with some stats i have

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4730007/description.html


"D-phenylalanine, DL-phenylalanine, D-leucine, DL-leucine and hydrocinnamic
acid have been found to possess analgesic and anti-inflammatory activity.
Their analgesic activity is significantly enhanced or potentiated by the
co-administration of a prostaglandin synthetase inhibitor selected from
the group consisting of aspirin or other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory,
anti-pyretic agents such as ibuprofen and the like. See U.S. Pat. No.
4,439,452, issued Mar. 27, 1984 and commonly assigned, copending
applications U.S. Ser. No. 657,681 filed Oct. 4, 1984 and U.S. Ser. No.
657,732, filed Oct. 4, 1984."


"As can be seen from the above data, acetaminophen and D-phenylalanine,
L-phenylalanine and hydrocinnamic acid each exhibit some analgesic
activity at the very low doses used, coadministration of acetaminophen
with either D-phenylalanine, D-leucine or hydrocinnamic acid produced a
significant, synergistic increase in analgesia."


Make a thread saying you are a moron and have been pwnd by me, at least be a man and live up to your statement and do this. thank you



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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2008, 03:35:22 PM »
also,you dont have to disappear just publicly admit you where pwned within an inch of your life via a thread on the GANDO and we are cool.



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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2008, 03:54:53 PM »
also,you dont have to disappear just publicly admit you where pwned within an inch of your life via a thread on the GANDO and we are cool.




 ::) yes nice try, however once again i asked for studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects. yes you have shown me that phenyalanine when taken alone in certain amounts causes these effects, however none of these studies compared the single amino with a complete amino source with equal quantities.

try again  ::)
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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2008, 03:59:03 PM »
::) yes nice try, however once again i asked for studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects. yes you have shown me that phenyalanine when taken alone in certain amounts causes these effects, however none of these studies compared the single amino with a complete amino source with equal quantities.

try again  ::)

HAHA are you serious? does protein potentiate opiates? does protein have anti-depressant effects? NO!!.


"i asked you for studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects."

this is what i showed you, that phenylalanine when take seperately from other amino acids does have these properties, i have met your requirement two fold by posting more then one study, there are more also. You show me i did not meet this criteria you bolded for me above.

be a man and own up to your claim.


"show me studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects"

you said it twice, dont back track.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2008, 04:33:33 PM »
HAHA are you serious? does protein potentiate opiates? does protein have anti-depressant effects? NO!!.


"i asked you for studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects."

this is what i showed you, that phenylalanine when take seperately from other amino acids does have these properties, i have met your requirement two fold by posting more then one study, there are more also. You show me i did not meet this criteria you bolded for me above.

be a man and own up to your claim.


"show me studies that show equal amounts of phenyalanine when take seperately from other aminos have destinct anti depressant and analgesic effects"

you said it twice, dont back track.


 ::) unbelievable

you claimed phenyalanine is an analgesic and anti depressant when taken separately but not in the form of whole protein - i disagreed and claimed at equal dosages it would make no difference - protein is protein.

you provided proof that phenylalanine is an analgesic and anti depressant when taken alone - again no comparison with a complete protein source with equal amounts of phenyalanine.

you have provided no studies that compare equal amounts of phenylalanine both alone or as part of a complete protein source. therefore have not proven your claim that it has distinct effects when taken alone. in fact:
the patent you posted below leads more weight to my claim that a more complete protein source with the same amount of phenylalanine has the same effects regardless of phenylalanine by itself.

"Phenylalanine, , D-leucine, DL-leucine and hydrocinnamic
acid have been found to possess analgesic and anti-inflammatory activity."

please stop trying to play with words and dance around your claim by wordplay.

can you or can you not provide a study that shows distinct effects of phenylalanine when taken alone over a complete protein source with an equal amount of phenylalanine?

yes or no?

don't worry professor, i already know you can't.  ::)

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2008, 04:55:55 PM »
Supplements that really work,L-Glutamine, Waxey Maize Starch ( if it is from Potato not Corn),BCAAS, Kre-Alklayn,Milk Isolate, Whey Isolate, 80% Whey Protein Concenentrates, Ephedra,Amino Acids, and Egg Protein ECA stacks.
There is alot more good supplements, but this is just off of the top of my head.They are all tried and true.
No fancy names.If a product has an ingredient like Creatine Ethy Ester Beta Alanine , Sodium Creatine Phosphate or L- Glutamine Ethyl Ester, throw it in the trash!!!!!!!!!.These are made up chemicals.They dont exist !!!!!!!

i will pay you a million dollars for maize starch from potato. Idiot.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #73 on: October 03, 2008, 04:58:19 PM »
wow, tingliness. too bad there is no correlation between tingliness or a pump  (probably both caused by niacin) and building muscle.

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Re: Bullshit supplements at the convention.
« Reply #74 on: October 03, 2008, 05:03:20 PM »
wow, tingliness. too bad there is no correlation between tingliness or a pump  (probably both caused by niacin) and building muscle.

A pump or cappiliarisation can add 20% to a muscle size