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[ASJChaotic]

I think that we are getting off the subject at hand. OK, just to recap the Adonis Principles are not sound, in fact they are crap.

I think that if you can stick with them, they do work

[Canadian_Muscle]

heard plenty of stories of dorian and nassar eating tons of big macs prior to contests...

Not as a daily thing which Adonis is suggesting. Offseason fine. Palumbo used to go to McDonalds and get a large diet coke, 2 double cheeseburgers, large fries, 2 apple pies, but only in the offseason. These guys didn't eat "whatever they wanted to" during prep ok.


I'M SAYING NOT AS A STAPLE IN YOUR DIET... Dexter wasn't eating Doritos everyday... and these guys weren't having burgers everyday...

[The True Adonis]

Adam here's the deal. As a whole our nation is getting fatter and fatter so the smart and dumb concept holds no water.

Look where the concentration is.  The highest levels of obesity exist where people are the least educated.  This is true for all industrialized nations as well.  The more educated and higher the intelligence level, the less prevalence of obesity.  This is unarguable.

[Relentless]

Mr Wansink`s ENTIRE BOOK is on the human element and Psychology of it all.    He has compiled his entire lifes work to this very idea using real time data and hands on person to person studies.

Obviously you have not been paying attention.  

I've tried, but you just aren't worth paying much attention to.  I would love to read your book recommendation, but I'm afraid I cannot.  Your demeaning and abrasive posts really taint any effort to inform to enlighten.  To be perfectly honest, you aren't going to be able to convince ANYONE of ANYTHING with your complete lack of effective communication skills.

YOU DO SUCCEED IN ONE ASPECT THOUGH - PISSING OTHER PEOPLE OFF.  I believe this is your true motive for frequenting these boards.  You love to get a rise out of everyone; you crave negative feedback.  This is the one constant of any board you frequent!  In this capacity, you are a tremendous success.

[Disgusted]

I think that if you can stick with them, they do work

Not in the long run even if you do since your progress will stop eventually.

[ASJChaotic]

Not in the long run even if you do since your progress will stop eventually.

I wouldn't know since I haven't tried them, wavelenght is on it, he has made good progress so far, perhaps he can weigh in on this

[Mobil]

Not as a daily thing which Adonis is suggesting. Offseason fine. Palumbo used to go to McDonalds and get a large diet coke, 2 double cheeseburgers, large fries, 2 apple pies, but only in the offseason. These guys didn't eat "whatever they wanted to" during prep ok.


I'M SAYING NOT AS A STAPLE IN YOUR DIET... Dexter wasn't eating Doritos everyday... and these guys weren't having burgers everyday...

re-read what i said.... "prior to contests" meaning right before their contest.... i believe "protien" is way overated... its total calories that count

[The True Adonis]

what I don't get is how people let themselves become 200 pounds over weight? 
some people are actually 1 ton 
do they not at one point stop and look at themselves and rethink their habit?
we had a girl in highschool who was MORBIDLY OBESE
yet she drank 2 liters of non diet coke and ate a HUGE bag of chips everyday for lunch 

Likewise I don`t understand the need to eat a whole box of something or overeat at any meal.

[Relentless]

Look where the concentration is.  The highest levels of obesity exist where people are the least educated.  This is true for all industrialized nations as well.  The more educated and higher the intelligence level, the less prevalence of obesity.  This is unarguable.

AND SO WHAT?

[Disgusted]

All my guys eat whatever they want on Sat. Burgers fries milkshakes candy bars ANYTHING and no calorie restriction. In fact if they don't there progress will stop. This guy did for example. Has nothing to do with genetics. It's funny how many guys come to me and say that they absolutely need to eat carbs or they will shrink up!

[The True Adonis]

Not as a daily thing which Adonis is suggesting. Offseason fine. Palumbo used to go to McDonalds and get a large diet coke, 2 double cheeseburgers, large fries, 2 apple pies, but only in the offseason. These guys didn't eat "whatever they wanted to" during prep ok.


I'M SAYING NOT AS A STAPLE IN YOUR DIET... Dexter wasn't eating Doritos everyday... and these guys weren't having burgers everyday...

False.  There is no such thing as a bad food and ANY food can be a staple in a diet.  How about this.  Tell me one food that you think is off limits and I will eat it everyday for a month and show you that there will be ZERO change.  Are you willing to take that offer?

[ASJChaotic]

All my guys eat whatever they want on Sat. Burgers fries milkshakes candy bars ANYTHING and no calorie restriction. In fact if they don't there progress will stop. This guy did for example.

cheat days are a must IMO to reset your metabolism 
I saw pictures of him on the positive board, dude is diced 

[Relentless]

Likewise I don`t understand the need to eat a whole box of something or overeat at any meal.

You're going to need to exhibit much better results personally to really garner any sort of following for your "diet" or get someone else worthy of mention to follow suit.  

By the way, did you ever stop to think that some people may enjoy eating less calorically-dense foods?  Once again, you're imposing your value set and belief system on others by assuming everyone wants to eat junk foods if they had the chance.  There are quite a few people who actually ENJOY eating whole foods.

[Relentless]

All my guys eat whatever they want on Sat. Burgers fries milkshakes candy bars ANYTHING and no calorie restriction. In fact if they don't there progress will stop. This guy did for example. Has nothing to do with genetics. It's funny how many guys come to me and say that they absolutely need to eat carbs or they will shrink up!

That pic is SICK! 

[Disgusted]

False.  There is no such thing as a bad food and ANY food can be a staple in a diet.  How about this.  Tell me one food that you think is off limits and I will eat it everyday for a month and show you that there will be ZERO change.  Are you willing to take that offer?

You are grasping at straws bro. You are sinking, going down in the abyss. YOu have proven nothing with your bulshit and never will.

[The True Adonis]

I've tried, but you just aren't worth paying much attention to.  I would love to read your book recommendation, but I'm afraid I cannot.  Your demeaning and abrasive posts really taint any effort to inform to enlighten.  To be perfectly honest, you aren't going to be able to convince ANYONE of ANYTHING with your complete lack of effective communication skills.

YOU DO SUCCEED IN ONE ASPECT THOUGH - PISSING OTHER PEOPLE OFF.  I believe this is your true motive for frequenting these boards.  You love to get a rise out of everyone; you crave negative feedback.  This is the one constant of any board you frequent!  In this capacity, you are a tremendous success.

What does liking or hating me have to do with reading the book I have recommended?  So if I told you to read Shakespeare you would not do so because you dislike me?  That kind of rationale is pretty insane.

[Canadian_Muscle]

False.  There is no such thing as a bad food and ANY food can be a staple in a diet.  How about this.  Tell me one food that you think is off limits and I will eat it everyday for a month and show you that there will be ZERO change.  Are you willing to take that offer?

All you'd have to do is manipulate calories to fit in cake and ice cream each day. I understand that. But i'd prefer to at MORE "clean food", than a little "junk food".

[Disgusted]

That pic is SICK! 

It is, but that type of conditioning is not rare at all with the people that I diet.

[Canadian_Muscle]

It is, but that type of conditioning is not rare at all with the people that I diet.

Do you get your guys to follow a ketogenic diet? That's what I prefer.

[Relentless]

What does liking or hating me have to do with reading the book I have recommended?  So if I told you to read Shakespeare you would not do so because you dislike me?  That kind of rationale is pretty insane.

I do not like nor dislike you.  You are an abrasive person...and an intellectual poseur.  Your rationale on how to convey information and conduct conversation is pretty insane.

[The True Adonis]

You're going to need to exhibit much better results personally to really garner any sort of following for your "diet" or get someone else worthy of mention to follow suit.  

By the way, did you ever stop to think that some people may enjoy eating less calorically-dense foods?  Once again, you're imposing your value set and belief system on others by assuming everyone wants to eat junk foods if they had the chance.  There are quite a few people who actually ENJOY eating whole foods.

Again, I always say eat what you like.  I don`t automatically default to any kind of food.  That is your own projection.  Show me where I say eat "junk food" or that it must be the bulk of your choice. You can`t simply because I never have said or advocated that.

I am sure plenty people would never ever touch what I eat sometimes, Pork Cheek with Gruyere and Ramps via Alinea.  Do you think I tell everyone to go out and eat Pork Cheek?

[Disgusted]

Do you get your guys to follow a ketogenic diet? That's what I prefer.

Pretty much I modified Vince Gironda's diet from years ago.

[ASJChaotic]

It is, but that type of conditioning is not rare at all with the people that I diet.

how often do these guys maintain this condition...if they ate normally, just to maintain their weight

[Mobil]

if are sitting at a desk working all day eating shit u will get fat, but if u are active u can eat whatever you want and stay lean and gain size....... like i said protein is wayy overated..... its all about calories and how your body digests it

[shiftedShapes]

It is, but that type of conditioning is not rare at all with the people that I diet.

yeah but that guy is juiced to the gills.  With his stack he could be eating whatever he wanted everyday and look like that.