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« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2009, 01:02:20 PM »
We both need to stop....but it feels so good sparing with this idiot. He never heard of ER packing and assumed I made it up. Until of course I provided proof. he then went into some bs about it not being widespread. Gee TA, if the BBC is reporting on it, based on law that the Brits had to enact, I'd say its widespread enough.

Don't forget that he still owe this board a video of him deadlifting 1000lbsX1000reps....the thing is...since he promised to post it he posted many videos and photos of himself...yet he can't find time to post that.

He also spread family pictures of himself with his sister and try to make it seem as if she is his girlfriend.

He come here to post propaganda and BS.

Notice that I'm not debating him, I'm humiliating him since that is the only thing such a low life deserves  ;D

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« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2009, 01:07:02 PM »
We both need to stop....but it feels so good sparing with this idiot. He never heard of ER packing and assumed I made it up. Until of course I provided proof. he then went into some bs about it not being widespread. Gee TA, if the BBC is reporting on it, based on law that the Brits had to enact, I'd say its widespread enough.
The problem so far is fixed.  Just like anything else, it is not all or nothing.  When a problem arises it can be fixed.  I think the wise thing to do is examine all models of healthcare. 

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« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2009, 01:12:20 PM »
Yeah but I don't want to run him off either...

TA nobody is saying we shouldn't examine all models. But when it takes less then 5 min to dismiss the model, we need to look elsewhere.
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« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2009, 01:18:22 PM »
Yeah but I don't want to run him off either...

TA nobody is saying we shouldn't examine all models. But when it takes less then 5 min to dismiss the model, we need to look elsewhere.
But insofar as the evidence is concerned, the Norwegian model has yet to be dismissed when given your argument of comparison of cost given that we already spend more than Norweigans per capita, given that if we adopt the the Norwegian model for instance, we lower the cost, given that we have more Hospitals per Capita, Hospitals per square Mile, Hospitals per region than Norway as to service our population.  So based on all available evidence, your dismissal fails.  Simple as that.  If there are any other objections or reasons for dismissal I would love for them to be listed.

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« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2009, 01:19:43 PM »
But insofar as the evidence is concerned, the Norwegian model has yet to be dismissed when given your argument of comparison of cost given that we already spend more than Norweigans per capita, given that if we adopt the the Norwegian model for instance, we lower the cost, given that we have more Hospitals per Capita, Hospitals per square Mile, Hospitals per region than Norway as to service our population.  So based on all available evidence, your dismissal fails.  Simple as that.  If there are any other objections or reasons for dismissal I would love for them to be listed.

They dont have legions of illegals and sub-culture savages like we have here who will rush every emergency room and clinic for free stuff.

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« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2009, 01:26:06 PM »
They dont have legions of illegals and sub-culture savages like we have here who will rush every emergency room and clinic for free stuff.
That does not make a difference since they already using the current medical system.  The main difference with Universal Healthcare is that the doctors and hospitals can be compensated rather than risking fitting them bill themselves or taking a loss.

Also you may want to note:

US report - illegal immigrants not a burden to health care system

15 December 2006
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A new report released last month in the United States concludes that illegal immigrants do not pose a disproportionate burden upon the U.S. health care system, contrary to increasingly strong rhetoric on the subject over the past two years.

In response to extremely heated political debate over immigration reform, the study was conducted to determine if illegal immigrants were, in fact, contributing to the decline of U.S. health care services.

Adult illegal immigrants tend to be younger and healthier than their legal-resident counterparts, resulting in relatively low use of health care services, according to the study. This directly contradicts many assertions repeatedly made by right-wing politicians and pundits in a strong push to impose harsh immigration reform efforts through various American governmental bodies.

Undocumented adults account for about $6.4 billion a year in national health care expenses, $1.1 billion of which is paid from public funds, according to the study by the Rand Corp., a conservative-leaning think tank. The publicly funded portion represents 1.25% of the total $88 billion in government funds spent on health care for adults other than seniors during 2000.

For comparison, the total cost of upgrades to the wall being constructed on the Mexico-United States border is currently expected to be between $30 and $36 billion and take most of the next decade.

The calculation of the cost of financing illegal immigrant health care was made by extrapolating data collected in 2000 and 2001 for a study of about 2,400 immigrants in Los Angeles County. The study did not account for what portion of the health services received that illegal immigrants paid for. Estimating the amount of health care money spent on undocumented immigrants is difficult because federal law prohibits hospital staff from asking a patient's immigration status.

Rand researchers chose to rely on the 5-year-old Los Angeles study because it contained detailed information on participants' legal or visa status, along with their health status, how much health care they used and whether they had any insurance coverage.

Of the 664 illegal immigrants in the study, 68% were uninsured. Only 19% had a chronic medical condition, compared with 38 percent of American-born adults, the study reported. About 58% of illegal immigrants reported visiting a doctor in the previous year, while 80% of adults born in the country had seen a physician.

About 11% of undocumented immigrants in the study had been hospitalized in the prior year, compared with 13% of the native-born population. Smith said undocumented women have relatively high rates of hospitalization due to childbirth.

"The public cost of immigration is not in health care," said James Smith, a senior economist at Rand and one of the study's authors. In context, the quote was specifically referring to illegal immigration in the U.S., especially of Latino immigrants from Central America and Mexico.

Health care providers that focus on low-income and immigrant populations agreed with the study's findings.

"Immigrants in general tend to be young, working people and they tend to be healthy," said Ralph Silber, executive director of the Alameda Health Consortium, an association of eight nonprofit community health centers. "People who are incredibly sick tend not to be crossing borders, and certainly not crossing borders illegally."

Still, Silber said, he's concerned about undocumented adults who avoid routine health care because of the cost or fear that their status may be discovered.

Illegal immigrants might contribute to crowded emergency rooms and hospitals' financial losses, but they are not the driving factor, said Jan Emerson, spokeswoman for the California Hospital Association.

"It is unfair for the public to place the blame for all of societal ills -- in this case, hospital ills -- on undocumented or illegal immigrants," she said, adding that the vast majority of the country's 46 million uninsured people are native-born or legal residents. "If we were to resolve the issue, we still have major problems with our health care system."

Health care reform is at least as controversial as immigration reform in the United States. For more than two decades there has been a push to make a universal health care system of some sort, similar to that enjoyed in Canada and the United Kingdom.

It is estimated that approximately 43 to 48 million Americans are currently without insurance, something that is increasingly being viewed as a crisis. Many special interests are pushing their personal rhetoric to explain the situation or to place blame, making credible, factual studies difficult to come by.

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« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2009, 01:27:55 PM »
You just lost all credibility.  There is a hospital right near me that closed last year because of illegals who refused to pay.

Go post your trash somewhere else.  anyone with an ounce of sense know what a drain these vermin are.

 

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« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2009, 01:28:55 PM »
$1.1 billion of which is paid from public funds...............that s my money. Thats not their money, thats my fucking money. They can starve, drop dead, move or whatever...but thats my money. They should go back to whatever 3rd world shithole they're from and save us 1 billion.
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« Reply #83 on: March 04, 2009, 01:29:32 PM »
You just lost all credibility.  There is a hospital right near me that closed last year because of illegals who refused to pay.

Go post your trash somewhere else.  anyone with an ounce of sense know what a drain these vermin are.

 
What was the hospitals name and location. I would like to read about this IF it is true.  Can you provide me with more information if it exists?

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« Reply #84 on: March 04, 2009, 01:31:12 PM »
What was the hospitals name and location. I would like to read about this IF it is true.  Can you provide me with more information if it exists?

United Hospital in Port Chester, NY.  Look it up.   

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« Reply #85 on: March 04, 2009, 01:31:22 PM »
$1.1 billion of which is paid from public funds...............that s my money. Thats not their money, thats my fucking money. They can starve, drop dead, move or whatever...but thats my money. They should go back to whatever 3rd world shithole they're from and save us 1 billion.
More money is wasted by people who abuse their current insurance policy.

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« Reply #86 on: March 04, 2009, 01:33:30 PM »
More money is wasted by people who abuse their current insurance policy.

Illegal invaders are a plague.  Chandra Levy anyone?????

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« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2009, 01:36:27 PM »
United Hospital in Port Chester, NY.  Look it up.   
Illegal Immigrants had NOTHING to do with the closing of the hospital.

I found a 4 page article detailing the whole thing.  Reasonable and Customary reimbursement rates from Insurance companies and a DECLINE in Hospitalizations caused the closing.

Check it out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/nyregion/04united.html



But while residents and employees may have been surprised by the seeming suddenness of the decision, representatives of the hospital industry were not. For years, hospitals in New York State have complained that they are teetering on the edge financially because of a general decline in hospitalizations combined with sharply rising costs and stagnant reimbursement rates.

And in the last two years, the doom-and-gloom predictions have started to come true, as a dozen hospitals across the state have shut their doors for good.

What has changed, however, is the reaction to the closings. There was a time when even rumblings of a possible hospital closing set off fierce and prolonged community and political battles. But these days, with so many hospitals in financial trouble, the hospital industry, its unions and patient advocates are conceding that shrinkage is not only inevitable but in some cases healthy.

"I get paid dues for every hospital that stays open," said Daniel Sisto, president of the Healthcare Association of New York State, a membership organization representing 550 hospitals, nursing homes and health care agencies. "But the reality is that these closings by and large have not created major havoc in the community."

"What I see happening in many parts of the state is that where we have excess capacity, the boards of trustees have such a vested interest in maintaining their own hospital that there might be two hospitals in a town that only needs one. Both hospitals continue to erode, and they each hang on well past the point that closure by either one would benefit the community."

That is the argument that officials in New York State have long been making. Looking to save money on health care, they have portrayed the network of hospitals stretching from Brooklyn to Buffalo as costly and bloated, with too many beds over all. That assessment was reiterated last fall in a report commissioned by Gov. George E. Pataki urging the state to stop pumping money into failing hospitals. Mr. Pataki plans to name a commission to identify hospitals to close.

But even as hospitals throughout New York State have reported various degrees of distress - a survey in 2003 by a national health industry group and a financial services company found that hospitals in New York State were by far the nation's weakest financially - closings were few through most of the 1980's and 1990's.

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« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2009, 01:37:42 PM »
"What I see happening in many parts of the state is that where we have excess capacity, the boards of trustees have such a vested interest in maintaining their own hospital that there might be two hospitals in a town that only needs one. Both hospitals continue to erode, and they each hang on well past the point that closure by either one would benefit the community."

That is the argument that officials in New York State have long been making. Looking to save money on health care, they have portrayed the network of hospitals stretching from Brooklyn to Buffalo as costly and bloated, with too many beds over all. That assessment was reiterated last fall in a report commissioned by Gov. George E. Pataki urging the state to stop pumping money into failing hospitals. Mr. Pataki plans to name a commission to identify hospitals to close.

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« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2009, 01:40:29 PM »
The hospital, unable to invest in the latest technology or renovate its aging center, had trouble recruiting new doctors. It managed to raise $4 million for a new emergency room, but the board canceled the plan because the rest of the hospital was so antiquated that it could not support an updated emergency room.

"There's a decline in reimbursements, an increased need for equipment, aging buildings," said Mr. Dionne, United's president, who is also a principal of Kurron Shares of America, a hospital management company on Long Island hired by United's board in September. "And the most telling decline was that patients were simply choosing other places to go for their emergency care. In urban high-growth areas, that's a red flag for other problems."

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« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2009, 01:42:14 PM »
Illegal Immigrants had NOTHING to do with the closing of the hospital.

I found a 4 page article detailing the whole thing.  Reasonable and Customary reimbursement rates from Insurance companies and a DECLINE in Hospitalizations caused the closing.

Check it out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/04/nyregion/04united.html



But while residents and employees may have been surprised by the seeming suddenness of the decision, representatives of the hospital industry were not. For years, hospitals in New York State have complained that they are teetering on the edge financially because of a general decline in hospitalizations combined with sharply rising costs and stagnant reimbursement rates.

And in the last two years, the doom-and-gloom predictions have started to come true, as a dozen hospitals across the state have shut their doors for good.

What has changed, however, is the reaction to the closings. There was a time when even rumblings of a possible hospital closing set off fierce and prolonged community and political battles. But these days, with so many hospitals in financial trouble, the hospital industry, its unions and patient advocates are conceding that shrinkage is not only inevitable but in some cases healthy.

"I get paid dues for every hospital that stays open," said Daniel Sisto, president of the Healthcare Association of New York State, a membership organization representing 550 hospitals, nursing homes and health care agencies. "But the reality is that these closings by and large have not created major havoc in the community."

"What I see happening in many parts of the state is that where we have excess capacity, the boards of trustees have such a vested interest in maintaining their own hospital that there might be two hospitals in a town that only needs one. Both hospitals continue to erode, and they each hang on well past the point that closure by either one would benefit the community."

That is the argument that officials in New York State have long been making. Looking to save money on health care, they have portrayed the network of hospitals stretching from Brooklyn to Buffalo as costly and bloated, with too many beds over all. That assessment was reiterated last fall in a report commissioned by Gov. George E. Pataki urging the state to stop pumping money into failing hospitals. Mr. Pataki plans to name a commission to identify hospitals to close.

But even as hospitals throughout New York State have reported various degrees of distress - a survey in 2003 by a national health industry group and a financial services company found that hospitals in New York State were by far the nation's weakest financially - closings were few through most of the 1980's and 1990's.

"Stagnant reimbursements rates" in another word for money not coming in.  The area itself is all illegal alien hispanics who dont pay.

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« Reply #91 on: March 04, 2009, 01:44:51 PM »
"Stagnant reimbursements rates" in another word for money not coming in.  The area itself is all illegal alien hispanics who dont pay.
Wrong. That has to do with insurance medical boards determining what is Reasonable and Customary for reimbursement per operation or treatment. 

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« Reply #92 on: March 04, 2009, 01:46:29 PM »
"What I see happening in many parts of the state is that where we have excess capacity, the boards of trustees have such a vested interest in maintaining their own hospital that there might be two hospitals in a town that only needs one. Both hospitals continue to erode, and they each hang on well past the point that closure by either one would benefit the community."

That is the argument that officials in New York State have long been making. Looking to save money on health care, they have portrayed the network of hospitals stretching from Brooklyn to Buffalo as costly and bloated, with too many beds over all. That assessment was reiterated last fall in a report commissioned by Gov. George E. Pataki urging the state to stop pumping money into failing hospitals. Mr. Pataki plans to name a commission to identify hospitals to close.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DD103DF931A25753C1A96E9C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Check this out.  the hospitals are losing millions because if illegals.

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« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2009, 01:54:57 PM »
Wrong. That has to do with insurance medical boards determining what is Reasonable and Customary for reimbursement per operation or treatment. 

Wrong!!..Do u work in the medical field...do u work in insurance or are u armed only with what the net is tells u. The guy lives there....I think he knows better then u do.
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« Reply #94 on: March 04, 2009, 01:57:42 PM »

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E6DD103DF931A25753C1A96E9C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Check this out.  the hospitals are losing millions because if illegals.
Universal Healthcare takes care of this very problem as doctors and hospitals are then compensated.

Also, in that article it is not because they are illegal immigrants, it is because they do not have insurance.

Hospital Association estimated its 29 hospitals spent $93.3 million in 2006 compared with $78 million four years before on uncompensated care, although officials did not attribute the huge increase to illegal immigrants.

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« Reply #95 on: March 04, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »
Wrong!!..Do u work in the medical field...do u work in insurance or are u armed only with what the net is tells u. The guy lives there....I think he knows better then u do.
Years ago I worked in the medical insurance industry.

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« Reply #96 on: March 04, 2009, 01:59:15 PM »
Wrong!!..Do u work in the medical field...do u work in insurance or are u armed only with what the net is tells u. The guy lives there....I think he knows better then u do.

I live ten minutes from Port Chester.  Do a little research on the place, it is a sanctuary city and filled with illegal aliens.  The place resembles Mexico City more than anything.  

I posted an article which said that teh hosdital and greenwich hospital was losing millions a year to these free loaders.  the hospital called it "charity care".    

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« Reply #97 on: March 04, 2009, 02:00:29 PM »
Years ago I worked in the medical insurance industry.

Doing what.....how old are u?
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« Reply #98 on: March 04, 2009, 02:00:36 PM »
Universal Healthcare takes care of this very problem as doctors and hospitals are then compensated.

Also, in that article it is not because they are illegal immigrants, it is because they do not have insurance.

Hospital Association estimated its 29 hospitals spent $93.3 million in 2006 compared with $78 million four years before on uncompensated care, although officials did not attribute the huge increase to illegal immigrants.

Dude, you are brain dead.  

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« Reply #99 on: March 04, 2009, 02:00:44 PM »
Years ago I worked in the medical insurance industry.

No you didn't, you never worked in your life. Just like you never deadlifted your retarded claims.

You're a lying machine....fucking pitiful.