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When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« on: April 13, 2009, 10:19:31 AM »
I went on diet for a week but lost all movitation now because i don't have that much bodyfat to lose, maybe 10lbs to get down to "abs" level. I just stopped the diet because i think i'd rather get stronger than waste this time losing that 10lbs to be cut.
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 10:20:56 AM »
Quote from: Method101 on April 13, 2009, 10:19:31 AM
I went on diet for a week but lost all movitation now because i don't have that much bodyfat to lose, maybe 10lbs to get down to "abs" level. I just stopped the diet because i think i'd rather get stronger than waste this time losing that 10lbs to be cut.

do it slowly, there is no reason why you can't lose bodyfat and get stronger at the same time  :)
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 10:27:32 AM »
Quote from: MemberX on April 13, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
do it slowly, there is no reason why you can't lose bodyfat and get stronger at the same time  :)
you cant
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 10:28:37 AM »
When you have to hold you breath to tie your shoes.
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 10:29:41 AM »
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 10:29:50 AM »
Quote from: Wiggs on April 13, 2009, 10:28:37 AM
When you have to hold you breath to tie your shoes.


The classic Sign  ;D
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 10:39:28 AM »
When the waistband of your underwear folds over when you sit down.
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 10:41:24 AM »
Quote from: Purple Aki on April 13, 2009, 10:39:28 AM
When the waistband of your underwear folds over when you sit down.


LOL!!!!


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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 10:41:46 AM »
When you have to use the mirror to see your penis  :'(
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 10:42:58 AM »
Quote from: Saxon on April 13, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
When you have to use the mirror to see your penis  :'(

do you people ever stop insulting Keith Jones?







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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 10:45:28 AM »
Interesting question.

Dan Duchaine use to mention once you got out of 10-12% bf. range, it was time to drop weight. His reasoning was that even a fit big guy at a bit higher percentage will look like a lump of crap at those percentages.

I think you can go a bit higher than that(I had my best size/strength gains in the 14-16% range), but I think it right not to perma-bulk in most cases, dieting simply eats everything away.

The one case I think It is warrented is if you want to get your strongest naturally, 99% of the really strong natural powerlifters I've seen had to let themselves become messes at 1 point to get there.

In your case, I'd simply run at a 500 cal. def. for a few weeks.

      
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 10:48:11 AM »
Quote from: MemberX on April 13, 2009, 10:42:58 AM
do you people ever stop insulting Keith Jones?







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Who???
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2009, 10:51:15 AM »
Quote from: MemberX on April 13, 2009, 10:29:41 AM


Impossible; weight loss and muscle gain are completely different antagonistc metabolic processes. In order to gain new mass you HAVE to have an ever so slight caloric surplus; in order to get lean you need to HAVE an ever so slight caloric deficit. Maybe he was talking about chemically enhanced people; he talks about 1500 calories a day and gaining muscle? Who does that?
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 11:09:17 AM »
Quote from: Deicide on April 13, 2009, 10:51:15 AM
Impossible; weight loss and muscle gain are completely different antagonistc metabolic processes. In order to gain new mass you HAVE to have an ever so slight caloric surplus; in order to get lean you need to HAVE an ever so slight caloric deficit. Maybe he was talking about chemically enhanced people; he talks about 1500 calories a day and gaining muscle? Who does that?

you have to be in a calorie surplus to gain fat
calorie deficit to lose fat
don't get them mixed up, gaining muscle is a matter of how hard you work out not how much you eat.

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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2009, 11:10:27 AM »
Protein builds muscle,not calories.
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2009, 11:20:20 AM »
Quote from: Method101 on April 13, 2009, 10:27:32 AM
you cant

you can also lose fat and build muscle.

FACT
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2009, 12:15:51 PM »
Quote from: Ursus on April 13, 2009, 11:20:20 AM
you can also lose fat and build muscle.

FACT

See Kevin Levrone...

Growing into a contest
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 12:19:45 PM »
When someone drives by and yells, "STEROIDS!!!" only to stop, back up, and explain, "That wasn't an accusation; it was a suggestion." 
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2009, 12:29:50 PM »
Quote from: wes on April 13, 2009, 11:10:27 AM
Protein builds muscle,not calories.

As far as I know though, a positive nitrogen balance is required which can only be brought about by a caloric surplus.
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2009, 12:30:46 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on April 13, 2009, 12:15:51 PM
See Kevin Levrone...

Growing into a contest

Naturally, meinte er.
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2009, 12:32:09 PM »
Quote from: MemberX on April 13, 2009, 10:29:41 AM

okay j grey


lol


this guy is an idiot, i didnt even watch this video, you posted his dumb videos before.   "love your body" what a jackass...ahahah
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2009, 12:33:50 PM »
Cutting down = no libido, no strength, hungry all day = not worth it

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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2009, 12:35:19 PM »
Quote from: wes on April 13, 2009, 11:10:27 AM
Protein builds muscle,not calories.
protein doesnt build muscle

protein is used in the muscle building process.

lifting weights signals muscle growth. hormones signal muscle growth. eating excess calories can signal muscle growth.

protein alone doesnt signal muscle growth. (to a small extent a high leucine and fast digesting protein like whey will boost nitrogen retention a bit, albeit)
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2009, 12:38:39 PM »
Quote from: Method101 on April 13, 2009, 10:19:31 AM
I went on diet for a week but lost all movitation now because i don't have that much bodyfat to lose, maybe 10lbs to get down to "abs" level. I just stopped the diet because i think i'd rather get stronger than waste this time losing that 10lbs to be cut.

drink beer, dont try to lose WEIGHT thats the WORST WAY

start by improving your HDL to LDL

if u think u are having too much beer go for chocolate for energy

drink plenty of grapejuice during workouts
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Re: When do you know when it's time to go cut down bodyfat?
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2009, 12:40:11 PM »
It's very possible to get stronger and lose fat.  It's VERY HARD to lose fat and gain muscle.  Strength and muscle growth are two different things and are not always part and parcel to one another.
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