Juiced to the gills at 17 - disgusting

[Laura Lee]

Now that's IRONY!

[challenge]

It's ok, i don't expect you to get everything.

Have a good day. 

[Van_Bilderass]

i agree!

But you don't think this particular kid has put a single hormone in his body do you? Come on now.

Of course he has. Listen to Dave talking to the kid. Kid says others at school accuse him of doing steroids. Notice he didn't say he didn't and Palumbo just said the usual BS about how "people don't understand the importance of training and dieting".

[hazbin]

But you don't think this particular kid has put a single hormone in his body do you? Come on now.

Of course he has. Listen to Dave talking to the kid. Kid says others at school accuse him of doing steroids. Notice he didn't say he didn't and Palumbo just said the usual BS about how "people don't understand the importance of training and dieting".

his physique is easily attainable by a hard working 17 year old.  i was similar at 17, and never even used protien powder. this was over 25 years ago. i didn't do steroids till i was 23.

[Van_Bilderass]

his physique is easily attainable by a hard working 17 year old.  i was similar at 17, and never even used protien powder. this was over 25 years ago. i didn't do steroids till i was 23.

Do you think THIS kid is clean?

[Alpine]

But you don't think this particular kid has put a single hormone in his body do you? Come on now.

Of course he has. Listen to Dave talking to the kid. Kid says others at school accuse him of doing steroids. Notice he didn't say he didn't and Palumbo just said the usual BS about how "people don't understand the importance of training and dieting".

A CLUE

his physique is easily attainable by a hard working 17 year old.  i was similar at 17, and never even used protien powder. this was over 25 years ago. i didn't do steroids till i was 23.

CLUELESS

The kid is CLEARLY taking something hormonal. You guys are all fatgut morons with no eye for enhanced or natural physiques whatsoever. He's not all that impressive but imo, its highly unlikely that he is not taking a pro-hormone at the very least. He is intensely pumped and engorged (particularly in the bicep region) which would be hard to get even with NO crap. To me, it looks like an enhanced physique. I think a majority of experienced weight trainers with a good eye for both types of physique would agree. It's not the size of the physique that says this (hes not all that big), its the overall look - swollen, hyper-pumped muscle bellies, the look of the vascularity, proportion, etc.

This kid may fool the morons but hes not fooling everyone...

[hazbin]

The kid is CLEARLY taking something hormonal. You guys are all fatgut morons with no eye for enhanced or natural physiques whatsoever. He's not all that impressive but imo, its highly unlikely that he is not taking a pro-hormone at the very least. He is intensely pumped and engorged (particularly in the bicep region) which would be hard to get even with NO crap. To me, it looks like an enhanced physique. I think a majority of experienced weight trainers with a good eye for both types of physique would agree. It's not the size of the physique that says this (hes not all that big), its the overall look - swollen, hyper-pumped muscle bellies, the look of the vascularity, proportion, etc.

This kid may fool the morons but hes not fooling everyone...

when i was clean, nobody believed it. that sucks. when i did it, i told people in advance. then they would say i lied about how much i took. his physique isn't great, but his biceps are.  he might use, i don't know. but it isn't impossible for a teen to build that body without added hormones.

[Mars]

agree, i also think hes juiced.

[Alpine]

when i was clean, nobody believed it. that sucks. when i did it, i told people in advance. then they would say i lied about how much i took. his physique isn't great, but his biceps are.  he might use, i don't know. but it isn't impossible for a teen to build that body without added hormones.

Not impossible to get that degree of mass - I agree. Once you start considering the proportion of raw muscle to body fat it gets easier to tell. It is REALLY hard for a natural (especially this idiot 17 year old) to balance all the factors needed to hold on to a decent amount of muscle while shedding body fat. It's hard for natural vets with years of diet experience to achieve this.  Despite his small size, he is holding a LOT of muscle for his tiny frame and his body fat is low in proportion. Not to mention a lot of other visual cues. Like I said, I guess it just comes with exposure to a lot of natural and enhanced physiques of kids in the same age range for long periods of time. If this kid is truly ALL NATURAL he is an extreme outlier. I'm not buying it personally...

[tleilaxutank]

thats gotta be the most retarded preacher curl ever.  The exact opposite of what you should be doing. 

[Mars]

Not impossible to get that degree of mass - I agree. Once you start considering the proportion of raw muscle to body fat it gets easier to tell. It is REALLY hard for a natural (especially this idiot 17 year old) to balance all the factors needed to hold on to a decent amount of muscle while shedding body fat.  He is holding a LOT of muscle for his tiny frame and his body fat is low in proportion. Not to mention a lot of other visual cues.

exactly.

[Van_Bilderass]

agree, i also think hes juiced.

hormonized to some extent

[Bast175]

These "preacher curls" are the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

looks like he's doing partial reps on purpose. 

[Alpine]

looks like he's doing partial reps on purpose. 

He's just doing partial reps because he cant handle the higher weight he wanted to "show" himself using for the video. He said himself when he uses lower weight he has a fuller ROM.
Classic ego-training! And you guys still want to believe he has the advanced dieting/supplement/training experience needed to hold on to that much muscle (for his frame) and be that lean - all while being 100% natural? Cmon.

[Bast175]

He's just doing partial reps because he cant handle the higher weight he wanted to "show" himself using for the video. He said himself when he uses lower weight he has a fuller ROM.
Classic ego-training! And you guys still want to believe he has the advanced dieting/supplement/training experience needed to hold on to that much muscle (for his frame) and be that lean - all while being 100% natural? Cmon.

I disagree.  I think it's good to go heavier and do partial reps at times.

[Stavios]

I disagree.  I think it's good to go heavier and do partial reps at times.

same here

my biceps grew a lot more this years when I stoped that "squeezing" the muscle BS and I went super heavy without worring about the form

[hazbin]

He's just doing partial reps because he cant handle the higher weight he wanted to "show" himself using for the video. He said himself when he uses lower weight he has a fuller ROM.
Classic ego-training! And you guys still want to believe he has the advanced dieting/supplement/training experience needed to hold on to that much muscle (for his frame) and be that lean - all while being 100% natural? Cmon.

i don't know the kid, so i can't and wouldn't speculate on his status, but i'll say again that his level of development IS possible without drugs.

[Bast175]

i don't know the kid, so i can't and wouldn't speculate on his status, but i'll say again that his level of development IS possible without drugs.

very unlikely after 1.5 years training at 17

[Alpine]

I disagree.  I think it's good to go heavier and do partial reps at times.

Not debating the merits of varying ROM up with you, just clarifying what the kid clearly "said" on the video.

i don't know the kid, so i can't and wouldn't speculate on his status, but i'll say again that his level of development IS possible without drugs.

Again, you're an idiot. The level of development, YES. But then factor in all the other things. Body fat, proportion, the size and look of the bicep muscle bellies (especially for that age), vascularity (looks abnormally engorged/pumped), the list goes on. You dipshits seem to have trouble differentiating between the attainability of size/development in a physique and its overall aesthetic or "look." Size MEANS NOTHING - its mostly illusion. This is not a all natural look and anyone with an eye would agree. Then factor in 1.5-2 years of training and the inexperience of being 17. Most natural vets have a really hard time holding on to mass when bringing fat down. Why do i bother, this place is a Tard Pit. Back to trolling meat heads...

[m8]

Brutal range of motion.

[hazbin]

Not debating the merits of varying ROM up with you, just clarifying what the kid clearly "said" on the video.

Again, you're an idiot. The level of development, YES. But then factor in all the other things. Body fat, proportion, the size and look of the bicep muscle bellies (especially for that age), vascularity (looks abnormally engorged/pumped), the list goes on. You dipshits seem to have trouble differentiating between the attainability of size/development in a physique and its overall aesthetic or "look." Size MEANS NOTHING - its mostly illusion. This is not a all natural look and anyone with an eye would agree. Then factor in 1.5-2 years of training and the inexperience of being 17. Most natural vets have a really hard time holding on to mass when bringing fat down. Why do i bother, this place is a Tard Pit. Back to trolling meat heads...

who are you?  i would guess that is your picture in your avatar.  do you have any idea what i looked like when i was a drugfree teen in the late 70s/early 80s?

if you cant see that being naturally possible, it shows you have no work ethic, and no muscle yourself.

[Alpine]

who are you?  i would guess that is your picture in your avatar.  do you have any idea what i looked like when i was a drugfree teen in the late 70s/early 80s?

if you cant see that being naturally possible, it shows you have no work ethic, and no muscle yourself.

Yes, you would "guess" that because you're a moron. hazbin is a great name for you although perhaps nvrwuz would be even more fitting. Nobody cares about how amazingly wonderful your past natural physique was. This kid is not 100% natural - case closed. Go tell your fucking glory day war stories to somebody dumb enough to believe them (like your offspring).

This concludes today's lesson in spotting chemically enhanced (albeit non mass monster) physiques in real world application. It has been my pleasure educating you slack jawed dolts. 

[HTexan]

would he suck a good dick guys?

He is a barely legal freak!  

so you volunteer your dick? or do you just bottom?

[hazbin]

Yes, you would "guess" that because you're a moron. hazbin is a great name for you although perhaps nvrwuz would be even more fitting. Nobody cares about how amazingly wonderful your past natural physique was. This kid is not 100% natural - case closed. Go tell your fucking glory day war stories to somebody dumb enough to believe them (like your offspring).

This concludes today's lesson in spotting chemically enhanced (albeit non mass monster) physiques in real world application. It has been my pleasure educating you slack jawed dolts. 

the fact that you can't rationally discuss a subject that you have no personal involvement in shows a lack of maturity.  how did your emotions surpass your logic and cause you to insult someone you never met?  you live in a sad world that you get so worked up over something that doesn't involve you.

i hate to see what kind of road rage you have when you get your drivers licence!!

[elite_lifter]

Looks good, "juiced to the gills" No.