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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2009, 04:25:42 AM »
Many people born in America dont care about country so what?
You think that somebody   who came  from El Salvador,Cuba,Mexico, China,Philippines, India,Dominican Republic... care much about country???

Noooooo just muslims hate USA bulshit!!!!!!!!

They're not flying planes into buildings.

Where do you live?
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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #76 on: August 25, 2009, 04:38:48 AM »
They're not flying planes into buildings.

Where do you live?

By your logic, everyone who  faith is  Islam is to blame for september 11.
Couple crazy muslim extremist crash plane in building in USA and you blame every  muslim for that?
You blame me for that  ::)

very shallow thinking
I REST MINE CASE because i cant talk with somebody that have such shallow way of thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2009, 04:46:36 AM »
BTW in USA army is estimat. 15,000 soldiers whose faith is Islam.
I Guess they are all terrorists  ::)


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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #78 on: August 25, 2009, 04:57:47 AM »
sele = brainwashed simpleton

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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #79 on: August 25, 2009, 05:04:06 AM »

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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #80 on: August 25, 2009, 08:19:58 AM »
Very true sele...glad you acknowledge how stupid you and your filthy religion are.

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Re: Ramadan???
« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2009, 06:42:26 PM »
For your education  8)

In Islam, several things are clear:
Suicide is forbidden.  "O ye who believe!... [do not] kill yourselves, for truly Allah has been to you Most Merciful.  If any do that in rancour and injustice, soon shall We cast him into the Fire..." (Qur'an 4:29-30).

The taking of life is allowed only by way of justice (i.e. the death penalty for murder), but even then, forgiveness is better.  "Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause..." (17:33).


In pre-Islamic Arabia, retaliation and mass murder was commonplace.  If someone was killed, the victim's tribe would retaliate against the murderer's entire tribe.  This practice was directly forbidden in the Qur'an (2:178-179).  Following this statement of law, the Qur'an says, "After this, whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement" (2:178).  No matter what wrong we perceive as being done against us, we may not lash out against an entire population of people.

The Qur'an admonishes those who oppress others and transgress beyond the bounds of what is right and just.  "The blame is only against those who oppress men with wrongdoing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice.  For such there will be a chastisement grievous (in the Hereafter)" (42:42).


Harming innocent bystanders, even in times of war, was forbidden by the Prophet Muhammad (
peace be upon him).  This includes women, children, noncombatant bystanders, and even trees and crops.  Nothing is to be harmed unless the person or thing is actively engaged in an assault against Muslims.


The predominant theme in the Qur'an is forgiveness and peace.  Allah (God) is Merciful and Forgiving, and seeks that in His followers.  Indeed, most people who spend time on a personal level with ordinary Muslims have found them to be peaceful, honest, hard-working, civic-minded people.

"O ye who believe!  Remain steadfast for Allah, bearing witness to justice.  Do not allow your hatred for others make you swerve to wrongdoing and turn you away from justice.  Be just; that is closer to true piety."

- Qur'an, Surah al-Maidah (5:8)

The entire Qur'an, taken as a complete text, gives a message of hope, faith, and peace to a faith community of one billion people. The overwhelming message is that peace is to be found through faith in God, and justice among fellow human beings.

And if anyone saves a life,
it would be as if he saved the life of all people.
Qur'an 5:32

he recompense for an injury
is an injury equal thereto (in degree),
but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation,
his reward is due from God,
for God loves not those who do wrong.
But indeed, if any do help and defend themselves
after a wrong done to them,
against such there is no cause of blame.
The blame is only against those who oppress men
with wrongdoing and insolently transgress
beyond bounds through the land,
defying right and justice.
For such there will be a penalty grievous (in the Hereafter).
But indeed, if any show patience and forgive,
that would truly be an affair of great resolution.
Qur'an 42:40-43

For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:

"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).

It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.


For the record, the inhuman attacks of September 11 were condemned in the strongest terms by virtually all Islamic leaders, organizations, and countries. TheGrand Mufti of Saudi Arabia summarized that, "...hijacking planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood, constitute a form of injustice that cannot be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts.

and this is the way that 99% of muslims think but arrogant idiots like you thinks that all muslim are same


 At least 41 people were killed, all civilians, officials said.

"Once again they've killed children, women, innocent Afghans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090826/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_violence;_ylt=AgXVfwL4P3ZFmRDmQ8PMYlys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFob3VvdmkzBHBvcwMyNwRzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNjYXJib21iYmxhc3Q-
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