Author Topic: So, how is that 'Hope & Change' working for you all? (Read 4805 times)

lax · « **on:** September 19, 2009, 07:44:47 AM »

Bahaha.

240 is Back · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:48:06 AM »

we're only 9 months into the Obama administration. It would be premature to judge his presidency now.

We know that the DOW is up quite a bit since he took office. We know that we haven't been attacked on our soil in nearly 10 months, a feat that neither Clinton nor bush were able to accomplish. We know Obama is doing a lot of things - popular and unpopular - to try to change healthcare.

it's really too early to tell, dude.

tendonitis · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:48:44 AM »

HAHAHA......just wait until 2012, that magic negro will lose 45 states

lax · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:49:20 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 19, 2009, 07:48:06 AM

we're only 9 months into the Obama administration. It would be premature to judge his presidency now.

We know that the DOW is up quite a bit since he took office. We know that we haven't been attacked on our soil in nearly 10 months, a feat that neither Clinton nor bush were able to accomplish. We know Obama is doing a lot of things - popular and unpopular - to try to change healthcare.

it's really too early to tell, dude.

just wondering

lax · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:50:59 AM »

Quote from: tendonitis on September 19, 2009, 07:48:44 AM

HAHAHA......just wait until 2012, that magic negro will lose 45 states

cracks are already appearing in the Obama edifice

There was a show on last nite on which blcaks were being interviewed and they were literally saying they voted for O bc he is black

tendonitis · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:53:09 AM »

Quote from: lax on September 19, 2009, 07:50:59 AM

cracks are already appearing in the Obama edifice

There was a show on last nite on which blcaks were being interviewed and they were literally saying they voted for O bc he is black

A lot of people are seriously pissed off, reminds me a lot of 94 when the Repubs won EVERYTHING.
2010 and 2012 could be big years for the Repubs if the Democrats don't get their shit together fast.

240 is Back · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:54:32 AM »

Interestingly, Obama has made some MAJOR changes that many people disagree with, and we're in the midst of a serious recession.

And his popularity number (by gallup, the most reliable indicator for the last 4 decades) still have him at 53 to 55%. So he'd still win the election today.

Common sense (and history!) says a president will do all the controversial and unpopular stuff early in his presidency, then go moderate later in his term to get re-elected. Once obama starts doing popular stuff, such declaring a win in afghanistan, killing bin laden, or fixing unemployment, that 53% approval will suddenly be 60 or 70% again.

And don't forget the repubs (historically) go far-right at times like these. They'll run a Palin in 2012 based on her ability to win that repub base, but the moderates aren't going to buy the bible-thumping, "world is only 5000 years old" stuff.

webcake · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:55:23 AM »

aryan unapproved

lax · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:55:37 AM »

Quote from: tendonitis on September 19, 2009, 07:53:09 AM

A lot of people are seriously pissed off, reminds me a lot of 94 when the Repubs won EVERYTHING.
2010 and 2012 could be big years for the Repubs if the Democrats don't get their shit together fast.

Its an experiment gone awry
simple as that
there is nothing really wrong with health care-and I worked in health care for over 20 years on my own
believe me-NOBODY dies in this country from not having insurance-that is a pathetic lie

240 is Back · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:56:00 AM »

Quote from: tendonitis on September 19, 2009, 07:53:09 AM

A lot of people are seriously pissed off, reminds me a lot of 94 when the Repubs won EVERYTHING.
2010 and 2012 could be big years for the Repubs if the Democrats don't get their shit together fast.

Repubs will win a lot of seats back in 2010. Old people vote in mid-terms, young ppl usually stay home. That tea-party bunch is gonna win some seats for the Repubs.

By 2012, however, if we have any semblance of a recovered economy, and the Dems can claim they kept us safe for 4 years while Bush couldn't read a memo detailing the 911 attacks just 8 months on the job...

Well, if Dems can claim victory on economy AND security, they can't lose.

Howard · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:57:29 AM »

NO president will be perfect and all have their naysayers.
What bugs me is how so many attack the guy on personal rather than issue based stuff.
For example, one guy in the gym told me he didn't want "obamacare" but he didn't even know what the "public option " was. wtf?
That is like saying you don't agree with who won a contest when you don't know who else was on stage with the winner.

lax · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:58:09 AM »

conservatives-like to work hard, earn things on their own, direct their own path, would rather have the opportunity to succeed

Libs-like to live off the dole, feel they are owed by the system, want protection from failure

tendonitis · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:58:26 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 19, 2009, 07:54:32 AM

Interestingly, Obama has made some MAJOR changes that many people disagree with, and we're in the midst of a serious recession.

And his popularity number (by gallup, the most reliable indicator for the last 4 decades) still have him at 53 to 55%. So he'd still win the election today.

Common sense (and history!) says a president will do all the controversial and unpopular stuff early in his presidency, then go moderate later in his term to get re-elected. Once obama starts doing popular stuff, such declaring a win in afghanistan, killing bin laden, or fixing unemployment, that 53% approval will suddenly be 60 or 70% again.

And don't forget the repubs (historically) go far-right at times like these. They'll run a Palin in 2012 based on her ability to win that repub base, but the moderates aren't going to buy the bible-thumping, "world is only 5000 years old" stuff.

didn't Obama promise us that if the stimulus passed unemployement wouldn't go above 8%?
he's been wrong on everything

lax · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:59:42 AM »

Quote from: tendonitis on September 19, 2009, 07:58:26 AM

didn't Obama promise us that if the stimulus passed unemployement wouldn't go above 8%?
he's been wrong on everything

all I have to say is

'ACORN'

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:01:32 AM »

Obama is a black person.

tendonitis · « **Reply #15 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:03:22 AM »

Quote from: #1 Klaus fan on September 19, 2009, 08:01:32 AM

Obama is a black person.

half black, but the black half is clearly the one screwing up the country

Tapeworm · « **Reply #16 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:07:34 AM »

Quote from: Howard on September 19, 2009, 07:57:29 AM

That is like saying you don't agree with who won a contest when you don't know who else was on stage with the winner.

You may be onto something here. People seem easily confused about politics. What if we put everything in terms of the olympia stage? 'Economic recovery is like Jay Cutler's contest diet...'

lax · « **Reply #17 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:13:41 AM »

Quote from: tendonitis on September 19, 2009, 08:03:22 AM

half black, but the black half is clearly the one screwing up the country

do you think Barak has natural rhythm or can rap if he had to?

Mons Venus · « **Reply #18 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:15:13 AM »

Quote from: lax on September 19, 2009, 07:44:47 AM

Bahaha.

Stock Markets kicking azz with Obama.

Quit bitching!!!!!

emn1964 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:15:55 AM »

Quote from: lax on September 19, 2009, 08:13:41 AM

do you think Barak has natural rhythm or can rap if he had to?

Mike Dusa--you want me to post up the linky? Ok, then shut the fuk up you bitter old angry white guy.

lax · « **Reply #20 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:16:05 AM »

Quote from: Mons Venus on September 19, 2009, 08:15:13 AM

Stock Markets kicking azz with Obama.

Quit bitching!!!!!

yes
he was most definitely the reason for the uptick

Tapeworm · « **Reply #21 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:17:14 AM »

Quote from: emn1964 on September 19, 2009, 08:15:55 AM

Mike Dusa--you want me to post up the linky? Ok, then shut the fuk up you bitter old angry white guy.

what link?

Howard · « **Reply #22 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:19:12 AM »

Quote from: lax on September 19, 2009, 07:58:09 AM

conservatives-like to work hard, earn things on their own, direct their own path, would rather have the opportunity to succeed

Libs-like to live off the dole, feel they are owed by the system, want protection from failure

Hmmm, who got billions and billions in federal welfare....called the TARP baliout.
I didn't see too many poor liberal getting much of that cash.

FYI, I am 100% against welfare or bailouts of any kind.
The modern republican party is NOT conservative unless it involves someones sex life

ToxicAvenger · « **Reply #23 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:19:15 AM »

my 2 cents about health care....

i NEVER wanna go to the doctors office and have it be like the DMV

Howard · « **Reply #24 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:23:51 AM »

Quote from: ToxicAvenger on September 19, 2009, 08:19:15 AM

my 2 cents about health care....

i NEVER wanna go to the doctors office and have it be like the DMV

If you ever had to get a major procedure done, the paper work for your HMO is worse than anything the fed GOV could come up with. I just had a colonoscopy and the amount of papwerwork for just the ins was crazy.
Do you honestly think the current HMO for profit system is efficeint?