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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #125 on: October 06, 2009, 02:52:25 PM »
exactly
they likely do not expect to live long

reminds me of 'Falling Down', where Mike Douglas tells the p ricns to fuck off about their 'shitty' patch of turf'

would liked to have shocked them by simply pulling an aluminum bat and quickly teeing off on all their melons

hahahaha...u got chumped off...



i would beat the piss out of your ass if you even thought about lifting a hand at me chump....

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #126 on: October 06, 2009, 02:55:55 PM »
Nobody realised Seung-hui Cho was nuts until it was too late. Until that day he was one of your 'law abiding Americans'.

We do have a social problem at the moment in England with stabbings. They are trying to enforce laws against carrying blades over 6cm, that's about 2.5 inches to you guys. Would you argue that we should be providing extra knives for the good guys to carry around? We actually have massive campaigns to disuade anyone from taking a knife out, even for self-defence, as a lot of the time people just get stabbed with their own knives.

Call me ignorant if it makes you feel better but guns were the topic, and the stats speak for themselves. There's around 35 times the ratio of gun-crimes to people in US compared to in England/Wales. Yet you are convinced your laws are better than our laws? Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?

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Nobody realised Seung-hui Cho was nuts until it was too late. Until that day he was one of your 'law abiding Americans'.

BULLSHIT ! he had a long history of problems throughout his life and one professor suggested he seek professional help , he started exhibiting odd behavior his junior year

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We do have a social problem at the moment in England with stabbings. They are trying to enforce laws against carrying blades over 6cm, that's about 2.5 inches to you guys. Would you argue that we should be providing extra knives for the good guys to carry around? We actually have massive campaigns to disuade anyone from taking a knife out, even for self-defence, as a lot of the time people just get stabbed with their own knives.

You're not telling me anything I don't know , no guns = more stabbings my point is it's the the object it's the intent

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Call me ignorant if it makes you feel better but guns were the topic, and the stats speak for themselves. There's around 35 times the ratio of gun-crimes to people in US compared to in England/Wales. Yet you are convinced your laws are better than our laws? Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?

I'm not calling you ignorant because he makes me feel better , I'm calling you ignorant because you're speaking on a subject you have done little research on and because you're making blanket statements , don't try and shift it back to me. Who cares about the relation to the UK? NOT the topic at hand , the topic is law abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves on campus and no one should deny them that right


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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2009, 02:57:47 PM »
just remember...


Guns don;t kill people....


minorities do!


you are gay.

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2009, 02:59:08 PM »
just remember...


Guns don;t kill people....


minorities do!




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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #129 on: October 06, 2009, 03:01:35 PM »
The right to defend with a gun is the same right that puts guns in the hands of the killers. Until you realise this basic concept you'll continue to kill each other with guns more than any other country by far.

I posted the link but here's the article anyway.

by Letter to the editor
Wednesday, April 15, 2009; 9:49 PM
My name is Elilta Habtu, and I'm an injured survivor.
I was sitting in German class when I was shot in my wrist and in my jaw. The second bullet will forever remain 1 mm away from my brainstem.  These past two years I've advocated for more responsible gun laws in our country.  

I'm devastated that two years after the worst school shooting to occur ever in American history, where 32 of our fellow Hokies were brutally murdered, our gun laws in Virginia have not changed.

The simplest action our legislators can do that could prevent gun violence and save lives is to close the gun show loophole here in Virginia and across our nation as well. There are only 10 states in our country that currently have closed the gun show loophole.  

Our gun shows are the easiest one-stop shop to buy guns where anyone, including federal convicts, the mentally ill, gang members and even people on the U.S. terror list, can easily purchase weapons, even semiautomatics like AK-47s.  

Although the shooter didn't obtain his guns from a gun show, the mentally ill - like the shooter - can currently do so at a gun show. All a criminal has to do is purchase from a private seller - an unlicensed seller who legally is not required to perform a background check on the buyer.

Unlike a situation where a friend sells a gun to a friend, gun shows have hundreds, even thousands, of people attending and selling guns to complete strangers.

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #130 on: October 06, 2009, 03:10:44 PM »
Found this, thought it was interesting:

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/stories/13557#

Letter: Two years after the Virginia Tech massacre, gun laws have not changed

Not entirely true in the aftermath of the shooting H.R. 2640 was passed

The bill, H.R. 2640, mandates improvements in state reporting to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) in order to halt gun purchases by criminals, those declared mentally ill, and other people prohibited from possessing firearms and authorizes up to $1.3 billion in federal grants for such improvements

And she wants to close the ' Gun show loop-hole ' which is a private transaction between LAWFUL gun owners , we are limited to just 4 personal transactions per year anything after that has to be done via a FFL dealer , she wants to take this away and ironically the man who shot her purchased his guns legally , this solves nothing her claim that

Our gun shows are the easiest one-stop shop to buy guns where anyone, including federal convicts, the mentally ill, gang members and even people on the U.S. terror list, can easily purchase weapons, even semiautomatics like AK-47s. 

Although the shooter didn't obtain his guns from a gun show, the mentally ill - like the shooter - can currently do so at a gun show. All a criminal has to do is purchase from a private seller - an unlicensed seller who legally is not required to perform a background check on the buyer.

Unlike a situation where a friend sells a gun to a friend, gun shows have hundreds, even thousands, of people attending and selling guns to complete strangers.


NO ONE who doesn't have a legal right to purchase firearms can't and there are already laws on the books to prosecute those who do , you don't need any new laws just enforce the ones we already have , and at ANY gun show there are scores of police officers and undercover members of the BATF trying to buy guns illegally to arrest the people who will


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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #131 on: October 06, 2009, 03:12:03 PM »

Cops do open fire.  If they see someone shooting at another person and in the confusion they don't respond immediately,which is highly likely in the course of gun battle, that suburban commando is dead.

here is a nice article about an police officer opening fire on a citizen who had a gun for his protection.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm?=protectandserve


WOW one example , the exception NOT the rule. you proved nothing .

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #132 on: October 06, 2009, 03:17:50 PM »
The right to defend with a gun is the same right that puts guns in the hands of the killers. Until you realise this basic concept you'll continue to kill each other with guns more than any other country by far.


How on earth did you make that conclusion? how? you really need to learn the difference between LAW ABIDING and NOT LAW ABIDING

the right to bear arms has absolutely nothing to do with killers , so one guy mentally ill decides to run over a bunch of kids with his car and we should all now not have cars? this is your warped logic?

a gun is a tool , guns are useless without someone wield them , you're angry at the intent and want to take it out on the object makes no sense what so ever

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #133 on: October 07, 2009, 03:28:57 AM »
WOW one example , the exception NOT the rule. you proved nothing .

I'm not sure you have actually provided any proof to the contrary there ND. You say Archer77 proved nothing, yet all you have is an hyperbolic, angry sentence. At least he had an article.

I think it's pretty easy to see how I drew my conclusion about the right to bear arms leading to guns getting used for the wrong reasons. Seung-Hui Cho had psychological problems, but still got hold of a gun easily enough didn't he?

Your idea of good guys walking around policing the evil guys with responsible fire-arm use is an awesome vision. Unfortunately in reality a "responsible" guy who buys a gun with a permit is not infallible. Anyone can get pissed off, or enter a heated situation where, no matter how noble their intent, somebody innocent winds up getting shot.

I really would have thought an apparent man of science like your self would just look at the stats and try and derive some kind of truth from the situation. It's only you and your fellow countymen who are paying the price for pulling the wool over your own eyes. It's not me you need to convince, you're up against years of evidence showing America's gun culture leads to extremely high figures of gun-related deaths and injuries.

You make some inetersting points but currently I have to side with the Virginia-tech victim who harbours no feelings of revenge as such, just wants to see ligislation passed to make it MUCH harder for guns to be obtained by potential nut-jobs, who clearly go undiagnosed until it's too late. How many guys are there at any one time in America or any country who are capable of committing an heinous crime but have not done so yet? And why make it so easy for them to get hold of firearms?! Doesn;t happen in other countries, which IS relevant because no other country has anywhere near the number of gun-related-deaths-to-people ratio. I know the US is a young country founded on freedom and certain important rights and individualism, but surely it's time to move towards a more truly civilised nation.

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #134 on: October 07, 2009, 05:40:59 AM »
hahahaha...u got chumped off...



i would beat the piss out of your ass if you even thought about lifting a hand at me chump....

you are very tuff

but you do smell awful

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #135 on: October 07, 2009, 05:56:17 AM »
can easily purchase weapons, even semiautomatics like AK-47s. 

Um, most guns are semi-automatics.  The only non-semi guns are revolvers.  The Glocks and Sigs and Hks and every gun you seen on hips of cops is a SEMI automatic.  This just means it chambers the next round.

This is a sign the author is trying to scare people - they throw in that vague word for effect.

It's akin to a fearmonger anti-supplment voice saying  "Supplements containing high amounts of this macronutrient protein..."

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #136 on: October 07, 2009, 05:59:05 AM »
Um, most guns are semi-automatics.  The only non-semi guns are revolvers.  The Glocks and Sigs and Hks and every gun you seen on hips of cops is a SEMI automatic.  This just means it chambers the next round.

This is a sign the author is trying to scare people - they throw in that vague word for effect.

It's akin to a fearmonger anti-supplment voice saying  "Supplements containing high amounts of this macronutrient protein..."

I never used to, but I now agree with 240 on gun ownership

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #137 on: October 07, 2009, 06:05:23 AM »
I never used to, but I now agree with 240 on gun ownership

I can't stand those guys who buy a gun and walk around trying to bully people, trying to prove themselves, hoping for a situation where they can use it.  And those morons brining the rifles to presidential speeches and town hall meetings... WTF?

however, the vast majority of gun owners are smart, calm, and confident people.  The gun is a tool they pray they'll never have to use.  They carry the piece their whole life and most cashiers or waitresses or people on the street will never know. 

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #138 on: October 07, 2009, 06:05:37 AM »
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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #139 on: October 07, 2009, 06:48:31 AM »
I can't stand those guys who buy a gun and walk around trying to bully people, trying to prove themselves, hoping for a situation where they can use it.  And those morons brining the rifles to presidential speeches and town hall meetings... WTF?

however, the vast majority of gun owners are smart, calm, and confident people.  The gun is a tool they pray they'll never have to use.  They carry the piece their whole life and most cashiers or waitresses or people on the street will never know.  

Someone post robert pics sporting his guns, cap, body armor thingy, and goatee/tattoos while staring at the camera with a "tough" face lol.

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #140 on: October 07, 2009, 07:28:44 AM »
I can't stand those guys who buy a gun and walk around trying to bully people, trying to prove themselves, hoping for a situation where they can use it.  And those morons brining the rifles to presidential speeches and town hall meetings... WTF?

Agreed, absolutely

however, the vast majority of gun owners are smart, calm, and confident people.  The gun is a tool they pray they'll never have to use.  They carry the piece their whole life and most cashiers or waitresses or people on the street will never know. 

this is what I am getting at

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #141 on: October 07, 2009, 07:30:09 AM »
Someone post robert pics sporting his guns, cap, body armor thingy, and goatee/tattoos while staring at the camera with a "tough" face lol.

well, I do know his pharmacist brother is not one to be fucked with concerning his phramacy and guns

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Re: This shit will never end
« Reply #142 on: October 07, 2009, 12:45:55 PM »
Um, most guns are semi-automatics.  The only non-semi guns are revolvers.  The Glocks and Sigs and Hks and every gun you seen on hips of cops is a SEMI automatic.  This just means it chambers the next round.

This is a sign the author is trying to scare people - they throw in that vague word for effect.

It's akin to a fearmonger anti-supplment voice saying  "Supplements containing high amounts of this macronutrient protein..."

Dude show a little respect, the "author" is a 'Tech school kid who took a bullet in the face. True many guns are semi-automatic, but not most of these semi-automatics are "like AK47s", i.e. rifles. So really you've chosen to infer that sentence a certain way. I take your point, but I don't think the language is particularly cheap or shocking considering what the guy has been through.

BTW I'm not remotely condoning street thuggery, and it would indeed be extremely satisfying to shoot them all in the face in a cool way like in a film or some such. But I think there are social and economical causes which lead to poor and pissed off kids loitering on streets like ass-holes, and that everyone carrying a piece is beyond stupid and ultimately missing the real goal of social reform - replacing it instead with some idea of ultra-responsible piece-toting folk walk around everywhere. The guy who sold the gun to Seung-Hui Cho thought he was one of the good guys. This is my point.