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Re: For 333 - Our Resident Commie Hunter
« Reply #225 on: February 04, 2010, 06:46:39 PM »
The act of doing away with or the state of being done away with;
THERE YOU GO STRAW  I HOPE THIS WARMS YOUR ASSHOLE   OK     ON TO NUMBER 2

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« Reply #226 on: February 04, 2010, 06:56:49 PM »
BPS -  try to relax

I said a"few" questions and I asked 333 not you

I'm willing to keep talking abou this issue and I'm amazed its gone 8+ pages on the first point. 

I don't feel it's been resolved but [size=1p4t]if 333 will answer a few questions[/size] I will move on

1rst question is:  What is the definition of the word abolition?


Since you answered the first question you can take a shot at the second question (it's MUCH easier)

Do you see the state of "being done away with" of the private ownership of real property" anywhere around you?

Does private ownership of real property still exist?

Yes

or


No

?

The act of doing away with or the state of being done away with;
THERE YOU GO STRAW  I HOPE THIS WARMS YOUR ASSHOLE   OK     ON TO NUMBER 2

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« Reply #227 on: February 04, 2010, 06:59:26 PM »
yES I GAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF THIS LOL WOW

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« Reply #228 on: February 04, 2010, 07:04:34 PM »
Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and         an exclusive monopoly.  THIS WOULD BE AN INTERESTING NEXT TOPIC

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« Reply #229 on: February 04, 2010, 08:29:26 PM »
yES I GAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF THIS LOL WOW

you're saying that private ownership of real property still exists right?

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« Reply #230 on: February 05, 2010, 05:59:53 AM »
you're saying that private ownership of real property still exists right?

Bro - you created a bogus argument and question.  No one is arguing or claiming we live in the communist country.  Yet you insist on us admitting to something we never claimed. 

Additionally, you asked me to provide support for even one of the list, not the entire list on every point.  We are dealing with the first one and many others, including myself, have provided clear evidence that you and we have all lost much of our property rights.   

What I have said, and which I have backed up with fact, example, evidence, logic, law, etc is that we have lost of ton of our private property rights to the point where it is simply not true to say you own your property outright.  Its simply false for you to claim otherwise and everyone on this board agrees with me, not your idiotic views. 

Whether its civil forfeiture laws, expansion of eminent domain laws, "open space" laws, restrictive zoning, insane property taxes, govt. easments, etc, the path we are on is towards communism and collectivism, not more private property rights.  That is undeniable to anyone with a thinking brain.  Oh thats right, you are the Straw Man from the Wizard of Oz who . . . .  didnt have a brain.   



When the govt can foreclose upon your home for failure to pay property taxes, simply don't own your home outright.  Can the govt confiscate your cell phone if you dont pay your cell phone tax?  No.  Can the govt foreclose on your home if you dont pay youe energy tax or tax on gas?  No.  Thus, you have lost this debate Straw, deal with it since the property tax is in essence a rent you pay to the govt and the money used to pay for what the government wants.  If you dont pay, you lose your home.   

This debate is over, you lost.  Deal with it and now on to the progressive income tax.     

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« Reply #231 on: February 05, 2010, 06:37:03 AM »
Bro - you created a bogus argument and question.  No one is arguing or claiming we live in the communist country.  Yet you insist on us admitting to something we never claimed.    

I never said we live in a Communist country.  You're the only one that has even come close to suggesting it.

Maybe thats because we dont exactly yet have a full out communist coountry?     

The task is SIMPLE

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism

Prior Conditions = They must have occurred or come to pass.

Simple Question - Does private ownership of real property still exist in this country?
Do tens of millions of private parties still own real property in this country?

Yes

or

No

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« Reply #232 on: February 05, 2010, 06:47:16 AM »
I never said we live in a Communist country.  You're the only one that has even come close to suggesting it.

The task is SIMPLE

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism

Prior Conditions = They must have occurred or come to pass.

Simple Question - Does private ownership of real property still exist in this country?
Do tens of millions of private parties still own real property in this country?

Yes

or

No

?

Not absolutely, and increasingly less so.  You simply dont own your home outright with the government taking a de facto ownership interest in your home.   

Bro - do you even read what anyone else writes?  You did the same bs on the Barney Frank and his gay lover running the escort service.

Face it 99% of the posters agree with me on this not you.  Take a clue - you lost this debate. 

On to No 2.   


 

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« Reply #233 on: February 05, 2010, 06:50:47 AM »
Not absolutely, and increasingly less so.  You simply dont own your home outright with the government taking a de facto ownership interest in your home.   

dude - you're parsing words and playing games

I own my property, just like you and tens of millions of other people in this country

When that list was written private ownership of property was in a tiny fraction of the elite

Fast forward to 2010 in the United States and you have private ownership of real property in the by tens of millions of people

private ownership has not been abolished

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« Reply #234 on: February 05, 2010, 06:58:33 AM »
dude - you're parsing words and playing games

I own my property, just like you and tens of millions of other people in this country

When that list was written private ownership of property was in a tiny fraction of the elite

Fast forward to 2010 in the United States and you have private ownership of real property in the by tens of millions of people

private ownership has not been abolished

Private ownership has been eroded greatly by the measures all of us have explained to you. 

Communism is a process not an event and we are moving towards that with increasing property taxes, increasing zoning restrictions, increased mandates and fees, increased civil forfeiture laws, increased eminent domain jurisprudence, etc. 

But keep holding onto to your delusions bro.  Just tell me how much you own when you dont pay your property tax for a year or two. 

 

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« Reply #235 on: February 05, 2010, 07:02:38 AM »
Private ownership has been eroded greatly by the measures all of us have explained to you. 

whether private ownership has been eroded or not is not the question (I don't think it has but again, that's not the question)

it still exists and in HUGE numbers

it has not been abolished



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« Reply #236 on: February 05, 2010, 07:12:28 AM »
whether private ownership has been eroded or not is not the question (I don't think it has but again, that's not the question)

it still exists and in HUGE numbers

it has not been abolished




Its doesnt have to be accomplished with the road we are on since the government basically gets out of it what it wants anyway. 

1.  You lose your home if you dont pay the Government RENT that it then uses for its own purposes.

2.  It tells you where and what you can build. 

3.  It can place an easment across your property.

4.  It can take your property via eminent domain. 

5.  It can restricvely zone your property impeding your enojyment of your own property to what it, the government deems fit. 

6.  It can seize your property via civil forefeiture laws solely on an allegation and bogus indictment. 

And on and on. 

So you actually think you own your land, you dont!  You have a financial interest in it, subject to government mandates, taxes, restrictions, laws, etc that render your "ownership" of the same merely in name only. 

But keep up the delusions you have, dont pay your tax for a year, and tell me what you own.   

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« Reply #237 on: February 05, 2010, 07:16:46 AM »
Its doesnt have to be accomplished with the road we are on since the government basically gets out of it what it wants anyway. 

1.  You lose your home if you dont pay the Government RENT that it then uses for its own purposes.

2.  It tells you where and what you can build. 

3.  It can place an easment across your property.

4.  It can take your property via eminent domain. 

5.  It can restricvely zone your property impeding your enojyment of your own property to what it, the government deems fit. 

6.  It can seize your property via civil forefeiture laws solely on an allegation and bogus indictment. 

And on and on. 

So you actually think you own your land, you dont!  You have a financial interest in it, subject to government mandates, taxes, restrictions, laws, etc that render your "ownership" of the same merely in name only. 

But keep up the delusions you have, dont pay your tax for a year, and tell me what you own.   

333 - you can parse words and play semantic games all day

I still own my property

guess who has to pay the property taxes

THE OWNER

that would be me

private ownership has NOT been abolised


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« Reply #238 on: February 05, 2010, 07:20:01 AM »
333 - you can parse words and play semantic games all day

I still own my property

guess who has to pay the property taxes

THE OWNER

that would be me

private ownership has NOT been abolised



You are the one parsing words, not me.  I said we are on the road to communism, but are not there yet. 

We have 10 items on your list and no one said No 1. has to be accomplished first followed by No 2. 

Did it ever occur to you that things dont happen all at the same time? 

Look at your damn list bro - on most items we are far closer to communism than the item you are harping on, and even at that, most people here agree that my points are more accurate than yours. 

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« Reply #239 on: February 05, 2010, 07:23:18 AM »
We never said it has been, and that wasn't your original question either and you know it.  This is getting silly...you accuse him of playing word games yet the intent of your original post turned to him blaming Obama(which he never did in this thread), to zoning laws, to the complete abolishon of property rights.  You are the one that keeps leading this thing in circles.  

No, there is no abolition of property rights...yet.  It can happen, and will happen if people don't watch out for their own rights.  That's history and the nature of governments from both sides of the political spectrum.  It is up to the people to guard against them because obviously government can't and won't do it.  

The process that we are currently in can lead us to Communism.  That answers number 1 of the original point of this thread.  

On to #2...

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« Reply #240 on: February 05, 2010, 07:24:24 AM »
BRO - RE-READ YOUR OWN DAMN QUESTION TO ME:

Hey 333 - you keep ranting about all the Marxist/Communist in our country (including the POTUS). Can you show me one thing on this list that even comes close to what we have today


1.  You said "comes close", not necessarily occuring as a matter of fact.  I have listed ton of examples that everyone agrees with me on No. 1.  Thus, I have won this debate since it was never my obligation to prove your claim "has private property been abolished?"

2.  You gave a list of ten items and asked me to provide 1 example among the ten, not all ten.  

Shall we move to No. 2 now?

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« Reply #241 on: February 05, 2010, 07:32:11 AM »
     One of the most radical ideas proposed by Marx in his Manifesto was that of "A heavily progressive or graduated income tax." (Marx 230) A progressive income tax is one that taxes the public based on their income; people with higher incomes are taxed more than those with lower incomes. On February 12, 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment was added to the United States Constitution.

     It states, "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." Before this Amendment, the United States only levied regressive taxes, such as property and sales taxes, which still persist.

     After the Amendment, the tax rate was progressive; 1 percent of all income up to $20,000 was to be paid to the government, and this rate rose to 6 percent after $500,000. Over the years, it has become increasingly progressive, with 15 tax brackets of differing incomes and rates. This system was designed to take more from those who have more, and redistribute the income to those who have less. Later, Social Security would formalize this through the direct redistribution of income. These ideas are obviously Communist in nature, as they attempt to close the financial gap between the so-called bourgeois and proletarians.


________________________ ________________________ _________

Who Likes a Progressive Income Tax?

The Institute for Policy Innovation’s Dr. Merrill Matthews says not the formerly communist countries.

Karl Marx’s vision of a socialist society included a progressive income tax, where higher income people pay not just more tax, but higher rates on their income.

Ironically, while the U.S. and Western Europe tend to embrace capitalism, they adopted Marx’s progressive income tax.  Yet nine of the East European and formerly communist countries have abandoned it for a flat tax, where only one tax rate is applied to all income.

And now Bulgaria and the Czech Republic are considering joining the flat taxers with a single 10 percent rate.

Having spent decades under communist rule, formerly communist countries are ready to cast off Marxist policies that stifle economic growth—like the progressive income tax.   

So when will the capitalist countries also abandon their Marxist policies?

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« Reply #242 on: February 05, 2010, 07:49:27 AM »
BRO - RE-READ YOUR OWN DAMN QUESTION TO ME:

Hey 333 - you keep ranting about all the Marxist/Communist in our country (including the POTUS). Can you show me one thing on this list that even comes close to what we have today

I don't think we've come close to the ABOLITION of private ownership in this country.
Right now you can make a paltry 3.5% down payment and get an FHA loan.   If anything, it's easier to get a loan now than it was was 20 years ago and certainly easier than 50 of 100 years ago.

Look at how private ownership in property has been abolished (or even your new definition of ABOLISH which seems to be "erode") in the last 40 years

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« Reply #243 on: February 05, 2010, 07:52:42 AM »
I don't think we've come close to the ABOLITION of private ownership in this country.
Right now you can make a paltry 3.5% down payment and get an FHA loan.   If anything, it's easier to get a loan now than it was was 20 years ago and certainly easier than 50 of 100 years ago.

Look at how private ownership in property has been abolished (or even your new definition of ABOLISH which seems to be "erode") in the last 40 years

Just stop now.  You are embarassing yourself.  The homeownership rate was a function was the federal reserve and banking system giving away free money. 

That figure, which is nonsense, has absolutely no bearing on what I and others have posted. 

 

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« Reply #244 on: February 05, 2010, 08:11:42 AM »
I don't think we've come close to the ABOLITION of private ownership in this country.
Right now you can make a paltry 3.5% down payment and get an FHA loan.   If anything, it's easier to get a loan now than it was was 20 years ago and certainly easier than 50 of 100 years ago.

Look at how private ownership in property has been abolished (or even your new definition of ABOLISH which seems to be "erode") in the last 40 years

Wow, just wow, before you had a couple of good points.  Are you fucking with us?  Are you trying to just get us riled up?

If you buy a house unless to write a check, or put it on your credit cards(unsecured debt) you still don't own your home.  The bank does...come on, you're smarter than that. 

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« Reply #245 on: February 05, 2010, 08:14:57 AM »
Wow, just wow, before you had a couple of good points.  Are you fucking with us?  Are you trying to just get us riled up?

If you buy a house unless to write a check, or put it on your credit cards(unsecured debt) you still don't own your home.  The bank does...come on, you're smarter than that. 

Straw - shall we deal with the progressive income tax now that you have lost this one? 

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« Reply #246 on: February 05, 2010, 08:25:02 AM »
Just stop now.  You are embarassing yourself.  The homeownership rate was a function was the federal reserve and banking system giving away free money. 

That figure, which is nonsense, has absolutely no bearing on what I and others have posted. 

I guess they've been giving away free money for the last 40 years too and I guess they are still doing it too.   

This is sales data from my part of the country:  http://www.dqnews.com/Articles/2010/News/California/Bay-Area/RRBay100121.aspx

The secret Commies who run this country sure have a weird way of Abolishing private ownership in property. 

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« Reply #247 on: February 05, 2010, 08:30:27 AM »
I guess they've been giving away free money for the last 40 years too and I guess they are still doing it too.   

This is sales data from my part of the country:  http://www.dqnews.com/Articles/2010/News/California/Bay-Area/RRBay100121.aspx

The secret Commies who run this country sure have a weird way of Abolishing private ownership in property. 

Bro - your making yourself look even worse. 

Cut your losses now, you lost this debate. 

Now for No. 2, which by definition is already in place and effect.  Do you want to discuss that since you lost No 1.  You cant keep changing the goal posts in No. 1 to hide the fact that you lost the basic argument to your question, which was never are we a communist nation.  Your original question was to name even one item to where we are close. 

On that question, the way you presented it, you have lost the debate since we already showed you how the govt is progressively and increasingly eroding your private property rights. 

Straw-  you lost - deal with it or better word your questions next time. 

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« Reply #248 on: February 05, 2010, 08:34:41 AM »
Bro - your making yourself look even worse. 

Cut your losses now, you lost this debate. 

Now for No. 2, which by definition is already in place and effect.  Do you want to discuss that since you lost No 1.  You cant keep changing the goal posts in No. 1 to hide the fact that you lost the basic argument to your question, which was never are we a communist nation.  Your original question was to name even one item to where we are close. 

On that question, the way you presented it, you have lost the debate since we already showed you how the govt is progressively and increasingly eroding your private property rights. 

Straw-  you lost - deal with it or better word your questions next time. 

who said anything about ERODING

again - the term is ABOLITION

all the evidence points toward a long term increase in the private ownership of real property

you've parsed words and played semantic games for 10 pages but have completely failed to show that an "ABOLITION of property in land"

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« Reply #249 on: February 05, 2010, 08:37:58 AM »
who said anything about ERODING

again - the term is ABOLITION

all the evidence points toward a long term increase in the private ownership of real property

you've parsed words and played semantic games for 10 pages but have completely failed to show that an "ABOLITION of property in land"

right..he be thinkin someone dumb and sant see through that shit. Dude you out here bending words and makin stupid ass inferences...still 1+1=7 in your book 3333, fox news has turned your brain into mush