For trainers who want to 'fast track'

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

WTF is a collegiate diploma??

There are no personal training certifications accredited however the Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth College is which is why I've been taking the courses since Feb 2009 and I took up the program.  It gives my credentials more weight and its good to have the additional knowledge of other health subjects on my way to doing my degree.  

And a collegiate diploma is a diploma from a college...just like a high school diploma is from a high school...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Just to add Vince, I would NEVER have any of athletes attemt anything I didn't they capable of doing.

Its more of a legal issue, Joe and you need to change your methods slightly.  An attorney can't find you liable if you were using standard jump boxes but tractor tires and pushing cars are another thing as they could easily make it out as you being reckless.  That kid may not sue but those parents might for whatever reason if they even scrape their knee

[Coach is Back!]

I work with agents for my pros that are attornys, I have to carry no less than $5mil in liability.

[noworries]

First off, I don't give up on any clients of mine and secondly I would never have the arrogant attitude of only training people I'm satisfied with and that's bad to have folks like you in the industry that have that mentality.

People come to personal trainers for help in dieting and exercise.  Obviously, all of them are going to have trouble being consistent...otherwise they would not be that position.  You have to go the extra mile and convince them that they need to exercise and eat right for their own health and well-being and be compassionate and forgiving when they fall off the bandwagon and put them right back on it.  Real fitness professionals don't give up on their clients or think that their clients has to measure up to their standards. 

Its obvious Coach that you don't spend more time training normal, everyday working class people rather than athletes and bodybuilders all the time.

hahahahaaha nice comeback dummy.  You have NO clients.  Who do you think you are kidding.  There is no way in hell anyone would hire you except someone who is as stupid as you are.  Someone who actually believes the shit coming out of you cum hole.  Dude you would never ever make it as a PT in a real gym.  Like I said you are dangerous.

[noworries]

Who says to tell them they are doing a great job when they are not???   When that's occurs, I give positive reinforcement to them to do better.  However I don't believe in being critical of my clientele or throwing them out the door.  Some are going to struggle and some will give up and if they do, then that's really on that person, its not a reflection of my training because I did my job.  

Of course, my general routines may not use barbells and dumbells but they will know from the start that they are getting a workout and their money's worth that's for sure.  This summer I'll be using my new little tools, the Lebert Buddy Straps and Adjustable Kettlebells.   Believe me Joe, I know how to get people results and I do it my way.  

We already know you don't lift weights or use dumbbells or barbells.  I gotta give you this, you can shit with the best of them.  To bad most of the people on here are quite a bit smarter than the neighbors you push your shit too.  Again, post up just pone client who can prove they are clients and would vouch for just one positive thing you do for them.

The only thing you can do is stand in front of someone while they are lifting and repeatedly say "keep going or you are going to look like me".  That would be enough motivation

[Coach is Back!]

You take that chance with anyone, that's what the insurance is for. But when ther kid gets full ride scholarships or my college athletes get invite for NLF combines (that I will be going to this month) the idea of lawsuits goes away REAL quick!! Will I change my training methods? Don't know, I do one hell of a lot of research on training, if I feel something might work, I will try it especially if commonsense is involved. Vince, you even realize the reason why I have these guys push trucks, pull sleds jump 60" boxes or tires translates to performance wise?

[Coach is Back!]

You take that chance with anyone, that's what the insurance is for. But when ther kid gets full ride scholarships or my college athletes get invite for NLF combines (that I will be going to this month) the idea of lawsuits goes away REAL quick!! Will I change my training methods? Don't know, I do one hell of a lot of research on training, if I feel something might work, I will try it especially if commonsense is involved. Vince, you even realize the reason why I have these guys push trucks, pull sleds jump 60" boxes or tires translates to performance wise?

[dyslexic]

This thread should only be posted in by seasoned trainers.


By the time I have trained a woman for two or three years, she basically knows everything I know. She could start her own business and do quite well.


The point for me is, once I am not instructing you or educating you farther, I am only cheerleading and holding you accountable for the appointment.


Fuck that, yeah, I'll take you money, but its out of apathy. Attrition also comes to mind. It's not that I don't care anymore, there are just others that can fill those slots that have not yet graduated to the "I need a rep-counting-cheerleade" status. New blood is always more exciting than the old blood. The new stuff has an open mind. I want clients who are serious. I want clients who improve.


I'm out in a different part of the ballpark here. I don't want lifetime clients that can't go away. They have to be weaned off the titty.

Those are the ones I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with "not caring"


As far as "knowing it all"... been there, studied that, applied this, empirical data counted that... I still have a shitload to learn. Once I "know everything" the fun will be gone. I know more than enough to get people in the shape they want to be in.

ALl they have to do is be serious, listen, and apply. It aint rocket science. Its a committment, and THAT my friendies, is something very few people understand.

[Cavalier22]

"Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year. "

A "collegiate diploma" is obviously not a College Degree, which is why I asked what it is. Whatever it is, it probably isn't worth much more than toilet paper, especially from a "university" like that. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

"Well, I'll have a Collegiate Diploma in Fitness & Exercise from Ashworth University in a few months soon followed by a Bachelor's in Health next year. "

A "collegiate diploma" is obviously not a College Degree, which is why I asked what it is. Whatever it is, it probably isn't worth much more than toilet paper, especially from a "university" like that.  

Unlike my current PT certifications and the other ones out there, this one is recognized by the US Dept of Education and regionally accredited.  No its not a degree as I'm still working on it but its a valuable boost to my credentials.  Considering that I had to switch careers paths a few years ago, I'm not doing too bad


Of course it isn't a degree...otherwise I would have SAID IT...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

You take that chance with anyone, that's what the insurance is for. But when ther kid gets full ride scholarships or my college athletes get invite for NLF combines (that I will be going to this month) the idea of lawsuits goes away REAL quick!! Will I change my training methods? Don't know, I do one hell of a lot of research on training, if I feel something might work, I will try it especially if commonsense is involved. Vince, you even realize the reason why I have these guys push trucks, pull sleds jump 60" boxes or tires translates to performance wise?

That's what you're doing and one person can ruin your whole business and a lawyer would have a field day in court when you explain to them as to why you had under-aged children jumping tractor tires.  However, they can't say anything if you were using jump boxes and if you have that equipment already then there's need for the latter. 

The only thing I'm saying is to use standardized equipment.  Push a weighed sled...not a car.  Use
jump boxes, not tractor tires.  When they turn 18, then do what you please but with the economy these days and people losing their homes, a lot of parents would jump at the opportunity to sue regardless to whether it would ruin their kids chances of getting in school 

And yes I understand plyometric exercises which is what jumping on tires are doing to increase agility and vertical but I don't use any type of non-standard equipment. 

[Vince B]

Melvin, if you are not a qualified PE teacher what makes you qualified to offer advice here?

Ashworth College is an on line college where you can get degrees, diplomas, etc. I am not impressed by this standard. Can't you find a legitimate college or university and actually get proper qualifications?

http://www.ashworthcollege.edu/programs/career-diploma/fitness-exercise/

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Melvin, if you are not a qualified PE teacher what makes you qualified to offer advice here?

Ashworth College is an on line college where you can get degrees, diplomas, etc. I am not impressed by this standard. Can't you find a legitimate college or university and actually get proper qualifications?

http://www.ashworthcollege.edu/programs/career-diploma/fitness-exercise/

While I work on my degree, I can pick up a few other things along the way.  This diploma is recognized by the US Dept of Education which goes a lot longer way than any personal trainer certification out there which is why I took the course, Basile.  BTW, the US Dept of Education IS THE STANDARD.....  

I also didn't take the course to IMPRESS you.  If I wanted to do that then I would mail you a copy of Disney's Oliver Twist since you like to see kids dancing around in the street.

In addition, there's no difference between doing coursework from home and doing it at a college except that you have to be self motivated and capable of doing work independently as I am.

And as far as the PE teacher comment is concerned, when is the last time you've seen a PE teacher make kids jumped on a set of stacked tractor tires??  The principal would fire that person on the spot if he saw that happening at his school.

There's no additional benefit in using tractor tires over a jump box however its much more dangerous since its not a flat surface and there's a hole in the middle  

[rockyfortune]

someone put this thread out of its misery...what a bunch of fucking nonsense...

[Vince B]

Melvin, spare us the bullshit. You haven't studied exercise science at a genuine university so what would you know? What does the US Dept of Ed know about certifying personal trainers? I see them all the time at my gym and most don't know much at all.

Why not take a course that would impress an exercise scientist?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Melvin, spare us the bullshit. You haven't studied exercise science at a genuine university so what would you know? What does the US Dept of Ed know about certifying personal trainers? I see them all the time at my gym and most don't know much at all.

Why not take a course that would impress an exercise scientist?

 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education


Now stop pestering me about qualifications.  Fact is that I'm already a certified personal trainer and I've been certified since 2002 but I have to remain competitive in this economy and this will bolster my resume more than any PT certification will ever do

And again, I'm not taking courses to IMPRESS anyone.  Simply, I'm learning new stuff to grow my business, bolster my resume, and move forward with other ventures.  Its affordable, accredited, and the coursework is challenging.   

[rockyfortune]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education


Now stop pestering me about qualifications.  Fact is that I'm already a certified personal trainer and I've been certified since 2002 but I have to remain competitive in this economy and this will bolster my resume more than any PT certification will ever do

Vince..anyone willing to drop 3k on your expertise is crazier than you are...where is the proof of your expertise regarding online business? 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Vince..anyone willing to drop 3k on your expertise is crazier than you are...where is the proof of your expertise regarding online business? 

If you are referring to the business seminars, its for folks in network marketing that want to build their business up in a area but don't know how to do it.  I come down there and host their business meeting in a hotel using a flash point presentation and explain not only the product but also the business opportunity of network marketing for others to sign up become an IBO.

For the amount of work and the return that person can get off of my business presentations warrants the amount of money I charge.   

[rockyfortune]

If you are referring to the business seminars, its for folks in network marketing that want to build their business up in a area but don't know how to do it.  I come down there and host their business meeting in a hotel using a flash point presentation and explain not only the product but also the business opportunity of network marketing for others to sign up become an IBO.

For the amount of work and the return that person can get off of my business presentations warrants the amount of money I charge.   

exactly what i am talking about....what area of expertise are you offering? how to setup a online business? or how to setup a successful online business...i would hope if i am dropping 3k on someone they can at least show me a track record of successful business operations...Can you do that?

[noworries]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education


Now stop pestering me about qualifications.  Fact is that I'm already a certified personal trainer and I've been certified since 2002 but I have to remain competitive in this economy and this will bolster my resume more than any PT certification will ever do

And again, I'm not taking courses to IMPRESS anyone.  Simply, I'm learning new stuff to grow my business, bolster my resume, and move forward with other ventures.  Its affordable, accredited, and the coursework is challenging.   

I see the full-of-shit Goodrum is already posting crap early in the morning.  Why can't you figure it out that you are worthless and no matter how much shit comes out of your cum-hole it will NOT change the fact you are full of shit.  Again, show us just one client that will step forward in your defense.  JUST ONE!  You can't you stupid fuck.  Peddle your bullshit on another board.  EVERYONE on Getbig knows you are full of shit.  Not one person supports anything you say on here.  Why do you come back for more beatings.  Are you really that stupid.  Opps sorry I know you are that stupid, dumb question question on my part.  Go suck off Vissy.  You are truly not qualified to post anything regarding health, fitness, personal training, working out, bodybuilding, or anything else.  Just cocking sucking and butt fucking you are qualified for.  Start some threads on the Porno Board.

[noworries]

exactly what i am talking about....what area of expertise are you offering? how to setup a online business? or how to setup a successful online business...i would hope if i am dropping 3k on someone they can at least show me a track record of successful business operations...Can you do that?

NO he cannot.  her has NEVER ever done a seminar where anyone has paid him.  He should just put $100,000.  He would get the same amount of takers.  He could not get 2 people (including his lover Vissy) to come to a seminar for free.  Now if he did it on "how to be a loser and put bullshit letters after your name" he may be able to sell it out. 

Hey I think I am going to charge $5,000 on seminars about being skinny and get abs.  I would get the same amount of takers as he has.  Shit I would probably get more

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

NO he cannot.  her has NEVER ever done a seminar where anyone has paid him.  He should just put $100,000.  He would get the same amount of takers.  He could not get 2 people (including his lover Vissy) to come to a seminar for free.  Now if he did it on "how to be a loser and put bullshit letters after your name" he may be able to sell it out. 

Hey I think I am going to charge $5,000 on seminars about being skinny and get abs.  I would get the same amount of takers as he has.  Shit I would probably get more

[Schmoe Buster]

Goodrum you obviously have nothing going on in your life as you are always on here or other forums posting rubbish

[noworries]

Whats funny Goodrum is I was fat as hell there.  And I sat there and had a constant flow of old friends coming up to me seeing how I was doing and wishing me luck and talking about the old days.  Had people constantly in our booth and had a team of guys in there helping us out including the former owner of the largest gym chain in the world, a former top BB, owner of one of the largest home gym equipment companies in the world, a former world karate champion and actor.  See they did that cause they know that I have experience, knowledge and know this industry no matter how fat I was.  See that is something you could never ever do.  You could not get one person to support you ever.  I highly doubt you could get anyone to work with you even if you paid them.  You have NO respect from anyone in this industry.  NONE!  Pure and simple you are a huge joke to everyone.  See I talk about my past cause my past gets me things you can only bullshit to people about.  I think I would rather look like me and get the respect I get from the people who matter in this industry than be anything like you.  You are the epitome of a failure and a loser.  the ONLY thing you are good for is to make fun of because you are so easy.  So keep it coming.  I am having a blast.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Whats funny Goodrum is I was fat as hell there.  And I sat there and had a constant flow of old friends coming up to me seeing how I was doing and wishing me luck and talking about the old days.  Had people constantly in our booth and had a team of guys in there helping us out including the former owner of the largest gym chain in the world, a former top BB, owner of one of the largest home gym equipment companies in the world, a former world karate champion and actor.  See they did that cause they know that I have experience, knowledge and know this industry no matter how fat I was.  See that is something you could never ever do.  You could not get one person to support you ever.  I highly doubt you could get anyone to work with you even if you paid them.  You have NO respect from anyone in this industry.  NONE!  Pure and simple you are a huge joke to everyone.  See I talk about my past cause my past gets me things you can only bullshit to people about.  I think I would rather look like me and get the respect I get from the people who matter in this industry than be anything like you.  You are the epitome of a failure and a loser.  the ONLY thing you are good for is to make fun of because you are so easy.  So keep it coming.  I am having a blast.