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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #150 on: April 19, 2010, 01:32:36 PM »
you repeated "arms" twice!!..

ronnie's arms are so good they deserved to be mentioned twice.

that and in 1995 the time of this supposedly dominant victory dorian only had one.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #151 on: April 19, 2010, 01:36:40 PM »
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there was NO contest Dorian won from the moment he stepped on-stage


of course he was going to win with a panel of judges that were instructed to have him win.

I mean, when you have judges that state that a torn and horribly mangled arm "made no difference", you know you are not dealing with impartial judges.

this is fact.

this comment alone pretty much sums up how bad the judging really was during dorian's reign.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #152 on: April 19, 2010, 02:34:01 PM »
I agree 100% there is no point in trying to compare Dorian to Ronnie. As good as Dorian was, Ronnie took it to a next level and was just better.

This is like trying to compare Larry Scott to Arnold or Frank Zane to Lee Haney.

Spoken like a ignorant fan-boy

did Ronnie take density & dryness to the next level? NO
did Ronnie take balance & proportion to the next level? NO
did Ronnie take posing & presentation to the next level? NO

he wasn't better than Dorian in ANY of these areas , the only thing he took to the next level was competing at a heavier bodyweight , which Dorian could have done eons earlier he was 269 pounds in 1993 , it took Ronnie 7 years to compete at that weight and he wasn't nearly as hard or dry as Dorian was at that weight , Dorian was 282 pounds in 1995 ( pre-contest ) and in better condition than Ronnie when he competed at 287 7 years later , Ronnie took what to the next level? competing at the Olympia at heavier body weights with less than perfect conditioning?

Dorian been there done that


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #153 on: April 19, 2010, 02:35:04 PM »
hahaha Dorian should be compared to
j p fux both hAve similarly UGLY phsiques
I don't know why people compare peak Coleman to "peak" Dorian no comparision what soever
Dorian is the worst mr o bar chris Dickerson
segio
Arnold
Scott
Coleman
all had better builds
even though he is grainy  ::)

Got it you like men with PRETTY physiques

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #154 on: April 19, 2010, 02:57:48 PM »
I never said Shawn should've or could've beaten Dorian in 1995. I just said Dorian's win wasn't as dominant as some make it out to be.
I was just using Shawn as an example by the way, I don't care if he came in 4th. I could've used Nasser too as he was even closer to Dorian.
I just prefer Shawn's build, which is why I was using him to compare to Dorian.

Because who think so?

Yes, stupid because you say so...... ::)
In that particular pose for me: Dorian's back is wider and better, his calves alone are better, their chests are even. Arms go to Shawn, quads go to Shawn.
Dorian had better density, but Shawn was greatly conditioned too. Both had flaws in proportion criteria.

This again proves what I was trying to say: Dorian won, but he didn't crush his competiton.
The same thing could be done if you compare him to Nasser, their ab&thigh pose is even closer.

Isn't this what you're doing?

Anyway, I can say why I think Shawn's quads were better: they were completely developed and had much better separations.
Dorian had oddly shaped quads, his vastus lateralis muscle was not fully developed and his quads looked narrow from the front.

Which is why I said: Dorian deserved to win without a doubt, but he didn't crush everyone else. ;)

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I never said Shawn should've or could've beaten Dorian in 1995. I just said Dorian's win wasn't as dominant as some make it out to be.
I was just using Shawn as an example by the way, I don't care if he came in 4th. I could've used Nasser too as he was even closer to Dorian.
I just prefer Shawn's build, which is why I was using him to compare to Dorian.

I never claimed YOU claimed he should have beaten Dorian in 1995 , however YOU did claim Shawn wins the ab-thigh which is ignorant and delusional . You did claim Dorian's win wasn't as dominant as some make it out to be and it's in line with how little you know , and you keep proving it with the comment Nasser was closer to Dorian in 1995 lmfao sure he was

I'm glad you admit you're basing things off of your preference instead of how contests are judged , because it's obvious you don't even know how they are judged and it's not what YOU think looks better that wins contests , you're another guy who likes pretty physiques

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Because who think so?

I'm assuming you meant ' Because you think so? ' not only because I think so but because the facts show this , again , does Shawn beat Dorian in muscular bulk in this pose? NO those be beat him in density & dryness in this pose? NO does he beat him in balance & proportion? NO doesn't he beat him in posing & presentation in this pose? NO

Does Shawn has some advantages in this pose? YES , does he beat Dorian in this pose overall when all of the criteria is assessed? NO just because YOU like the way Shawn's physique looks in this pose ( and others ) doesn't mean he wins them , he wins them in your eyes but then again we've already established contests aren't judged on your preferences

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Yes, stupid because you say so...... ::)
In that particular pose for me: Dorian's back is wider and better, his calves alone are better, their chests are even. Arms go to Shawn, quads go to Shawn.
Dorian had better density, but Shawn was greatly conditioned too. Both had flaws in proportion criteria

stupid? someone is getting sensitive  ;D kinda of ironic you're calling someone stupid when you don't even know how contests are judged. again contests are NOT judged on what looks good for you in a particular pose.

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This again proves what I was trying to say: Dorian won, but he didn't crush his competiton.
The same thing could be done if you compare him to Nasser, their ab&thigh pose is even closer.

says you and we've already established a few things , you're ignorant on how contests are judged , base things on what you prefer , but I do agree Nasser come closer in the ab-thigh to Dorian than Shawn ever did , but at this particular contest close in one pose means very little in the grand scheme of things

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Isn't this what you're doing?

Anyway, I can say why I think Shawn's quads were better: they were completely developed and had much better separations.
Dorian had oddly shaped quads, his vastus lateralis muscle was not fully developed and his quads looked narrow from the front.

NOPE I give a detailed explanation on the judging criteria and how Dorian meets it better than his contemporaries , I don't just say it's so. Shawn could have very well had better quads it doesn't mean much in the context of the entire criteria that is applicable

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Which is why I said: Dorian deserved to win without a doubt, but he didn't crush everyone else. ;)

says you , Dorian destroyed everyone just like he did in 1993 to deny this is to deny his superiority in 1993 , you opinion contradicts reality & bodybuilding history , you're in good company with the other Ronnie fans  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates is ugly as fuck
« Reply #155 on: April 19, 2010, 03:01:47 PM »
Just right. And if BB:er has visible injuries which are ruin his symmetry, he should quit and fix them, not try to hide them like Dorian and later Ronnie try to do. We ain't blind you know, at least not all of us. If you look at the Mr. Olympia winner and you have to say "he looks good even if he has torn back and bicep", how it is possible that he has win? Even judges are blind some times, they look at the fame, not at the dude on stage. 
what is this bullshit about Yates having a torn back? never happened. bicep yes and in 97 the triceps, same arm.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #156 on: April 19, 2010, 03:28:20 PM »
Again I have to say: I know that in all posing rounds all criteria is assesed.
I was just mentioning ONE aspect of the criteria Shawn had an advantage on: posing. Dorian best met most of the criteria, which is why he won fairly. But again, he didn't dominate.
As far as why I think Shawn had better posing: I always say Dorian as a bad poser, he seemed as he was about to step on his own feet and stumble everytime he transitioned to a back pose from a front pose or viceversa.
Shawn is also regarded as one of the best posers in bodybuilding, I never read about anyone saying that about Dorian.

For the 10th time, I never said Shawn should've won the 95 Olympia. :-\
I can see Dorian dwarfing Shawn because of his massively wide back, but when the rest of the bodyparts are taken into consideration.....
If you use Nasser to compare to Dorian, there is even less "dwarfing". Which proves that Dorian won, but not crushing everyone.
Shawn had short legs compared to Dorian, but his legs were not short for his height and torso length. Lee Priest is an example of short legs with a long torso.
Shawn's calves were high inserted, but Dorian had incomplete quads. His legs weren't perfectly balanced and proportionate either.





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Again I have to say: I know that in all posing rounds all criteria is assesed.
I was just mentioning ONE aspect of the criteria Shawn had an advantage on: posing. Dorian best met most of the criteria, which is why he won fairly. But again, he didn't dominate.
As far as why I think Shawn had better posing: I always say Dorian as a bad poser, he seemed as he was about to step on his own feet and stumble everytime he transitioned to a back pose from a front pose or viceversa.

You absolutely did NOT know all the criteria is assessed nonsense . and again how times did Shawn beat Dorian in any posing rounds? NONE ever wonder why? because all rounds are physique rounds , so you think Shawn is a better poser? that means Dorian didn't dominate? when Shawn losing both the posing rounds to Dorian and in fact is in fourth place that means Dorian dominated him in grand fashion it's not close under any circumstances

You're proving yourself just another ignorant guy who doesn't get Dorian's physique and prefers more pretty ones , and make assumptions based just on that . Dorian was an outstanding poser and if you ever actually watched him you'd know this , is he in the same breathe of a poser as Lee Labrada? NO however Dorian poses to his physiques strengths , posing to slow and sultry music and doing lots of twists and turns wouldn't ever work with his physique

Dorian was a great poser for that reason and the fact he mastered the mandatory poses , he never looked like he was stumbling that's more delusional on your behalf , he always posed to his physiques best advantage , he always held his poses for the right amount of time , he transitioned well from pose-to-pose and and always presented an air of confidence and professionalism

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Shawn is also regarded as one of the best posers in bodybuilding, I never read about anyone saying that about Dorian.

Shawn was a very good poser he always displayed his physique to it's best advantage however that doesn't mean shit in the context of the entire judging criteria , especially when you're down on the rest of the criteria , again Shawn never beat Dorian in ANY posing rounds , ever wonder why?

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For the 10th time, I never said Shawn should've won the 95 Olympia. :-\
I can see Dorian dwarfing Shawn because of his massively wide back, but when the rest of the bodyparts are taken into consideration.....
If you use Nasser to compare to Dorian, there is even less "dwarfing". Which proves that Dorian won, but not crushing everyone.

AGAIN I never claimed YOU claimed Shawn should the whole contest , however YOU did claim Shawn wins the pose and you're be dead wrong again. please pay attention , Shawn doesn't beat Dorian in ANY pose in 1995 when all things are considered

Dorian dwarfed Shawn NO contest it's not open for discussion and anything to the contrary wont be entertained just laughed at , and Nasser was compared to Dorian and he was heavier than Yates and yet you'd never know it , Nasser didn't dwarf Yates despite this fact and when all things are considered he dominated the entire contest , again to deny his dominance in 1995 is to deny it in 1993 , there was no contest and anyone who disagree has an ignorant agenda.


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Shawn had short legs compared to Dorian, but his legs were not short for his height and torso length. Lee Priest is an example of short legs with a long torso.
Shawn's calves were high inserted, but Dorian had incomplete quads. His legs weren't perfectly balanced and proportionate either.

Shawn has short legs compared to his contemporaries and Dorian was one of them and his legs are short for his torso ( which is long ) , same with Nasser and Levrone , however I digress because if everyone has short legs than it's not a flaw , but he was directly compared to someone who doesn't ( Dorian ) so it's a flaw in the judges eyes. incomplete quads? 1995 his quad was torn but not incomplete , and his legs were absolutely more balanced than Shawns , no question about it ! is Yates' perfect? NO better than Shawns? absolutely

Lets entertain Shawn has a clear advantage in quads over Dorian , this means what? he wins the pose? is Shawn carrying more muscular bulk than Dorian in this pose? NO does he have better conditioning? for the sake of argument lets say it's equal ,  does he have better density? NO , density and muscular bulk are highly desirable to the judges , one thing to be 205lbs and dense and a whole other to be 260lbs and hard as nails , does he beat Dorian in balance & proportion? NO does he beat Dorian in posing & presentation? NO ( recall all rounds are physique rounds ) he doesn't beat Dorian in this pose , he isn't even close to Dorian in this pose , he's way behind in fact

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #157 on: April 19, 2010, 03:30:50 PM »
ronnie's arms are so good they deserved to be mentioned twice.

that and in 1995 the time of this supposedly dominant victory dorian only had one.



he had one arm? he had one bicep shorter than another , his triceps and forearms are still awesome , Ronnie never had ANY calves ( two of them ) his entire career but that's okay because you have an agenda and you're a hypocrite  ;)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #158 on: April 19, 2010, 03:31:46 PM »
Nd are you trying to suggest that ugly looking phsique of Dorianis balanced with 19 inch arms on a 250 lb guy
you're funny
I like phsyiques that have round muscle genetically good shape BIG ARMS  small waiste and nit just o e good body part
in short everything Dorian is not...
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #159 on: April 19, 2010, 03:34:00 PM »
One bicep shorter than the other is VERY BAD

but two missing and pathetic calves are good

hypocrites anyone who bitches about Yates arm and then rave about Ronnie's wins lol

not the most sophisticated people this guys

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #160 on: April 19, 2010, 03:35:19 PM »
During his prime I felt Dorian was untouchable. After the injuries and getting the gut he was definitely given a gift. Levrone and Nasser should have won a Sandow during that era.

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2010, 03:38:45 PM »
Nd are you trying to suggest that ugly looking phsique of Dorianis balanced with 19 inch arms on a 250 lb guy
you're funny
I like phsyiques that have round muscle genetically good shape BIG ARMS  small waiste and nit just o e good body part
in short everything Dorian is not...


You're a funny guy for assuming contests are judged on what YOU think looks good. NOT how it works

and you keep bringing up aesthetics , which you obviously know nothing about the Greek Ideal which is to have the arms , calves and neck ALL exactly the same size , you think Ronnie meets this ideal? NO so much for pretty physiques , Another classic example of a textbook aesthetic physique are great calves , abdominals and delts , does Ronnie meet this ideal? NO he has awesome delts , shit calves and abs

You know nothing about aesthetics , don't type to me about aesthetics until you do some research on the topic , you like what you like and that doesn't meet the classic aesthetic ideal or what wins contests


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #162 on: April 19, 2010, 03:41:16 PM »
Aesthetic Ideal LMMFAO Steve Reeves eat your heart out lmfao

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #163 on: April 19, 2010, 04:03:45 PM »
Don't tell me what I don't know I'm a grown man with two eyes that work perfectly
I didn't ask you to try and tell me anything.  I'm telling you what my eyes percieve and what a lot of other people see Dorian was a blocky small armed bber with a good back
bbing is about perception you DONT know anymore than anyone else about judging how a bber should looke because everyone including iffb judges have different perception get over yourself and stop trying to force feed your opinion on others in my eyes Dorian yates looked like jp fux
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #164 on: April 19, 2010, 04:05:54 PM »
ronnie 2003 may not be aesthetic but ronnie 1999 certainly was.

much much more so than dorian even though they were the same bodyweight:

advantage: ronnie by a landslide.
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #165 on: April 19, 2010, 04:09:15 PM »
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in my eyes Dorian yates looked like jp fux

in 1997 he looked a lot like Greg Kovacs.

but ND totally agrees with the scoring and outcome of all of dorian's contests LOL

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #166 on: April 19, 2010, 04:11:31 PM »
Don't tell me what I don't know I'm a grown man with two eyes that work perfectly
I didn't ask you to try and tell me anything.  I'm telling you what my eyes percieve and what a lot of other people see Dorian was a blocky small armed bber with a good back
bbing is about perception you DONT know anymore than anyone else about judging how a bber should looke because everyone including iffb judges have different perception get over yourself and stop trying to force feed your opinion on others in my eyes Dorian yates looked like jp fux
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Don't tell me what I don't know I'm a grown man with two eyes that work perfectly
I didn't ask you to try and tell me anything.  I'm telling you what my eyes percieve and what a lot of other people see Dorian was a blocky small armed bber with a good back

You're a grown man who is ignorant to what aesthetics are and I just schooled you . try doing some research on the subject before committing to an ignorant opinion and running the risk of looking stupid

AGAIN contests are NOT judged on what you percieve , or what others see.

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bbing is about perception you DONT know anymore than anyone else about judging how a bber should looke because everyone including iffb judges have different perception get over yourself and stop trying to force feed your opinion on others in my eyes Dorian yates looked like jp fux
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it's NOT about perception NOT competitive bodybuilding it's not , it's about a set of criterion which all competitors are judged against each other on , the judges don't sit there and just wing it come contest day. I'm not force feeding my opinion on anyone just correcting ignorant people like you on yours. 

In your eyes Dorian looked like Fux wow great assessment  ::) in the judges eyes Dorian was the most dominate professional in the history of the IFBB and they have the final say , not fan-boys who don't know how contests are judged


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #167 on: April 19, 2010, 04:13:37 PM »
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it's about a set of criterion which all competitors are judged against each other on , the judges don't sit there and just wing it come contest day

well, "Mr. Dorian's tear made no difference" sure could have used some training on how to judge physiques properly.

honestly.

what an incompetent thing to say.  ::)

classic example of just the sort of gifts dorian was given relative to the other competitors of his day..,
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #168 on: April 19, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »
I swear, ND, if you're not one of those high-priced trial lawyers you're wasting your life. Forensic nightmare of postage.  ;D

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #169 on: April 19, 2010, 04:14:01 PM »
ronnie 2003 may not be aesthetic but ronnie 1999 certainly was.

much much more so than dorian even though they were the same bodyweight:

advantage: ronnie by a landslide.

Hahahahahaha he suddenly got better abs and calves in 1999? his aesthetic sucked and always have you can claim his aesthetics were better than Dorian but it's like saying a tank is better looking than a tracker , you gain nothing

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #170 on: April 19, 2010, 04:15:56 PM »
well, "Mr. Dorian's tear made no difference" sure could have used some training on how to judge physiques properly.

honestly.

what an incompetent thing to say.  ::)

classic example of just the sort of gifts dorian was given relative to the other competitors of his day..,

like Ronnie in 2000/2001/2002/2004? you mean those gifts?

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #171 on: April 19, 2010, 04:16:50 PM »
I swear, ND, if you're not one of those high-priced trial lawyers you're wasting your life. Forensic nightmare of postage.  ;D

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I enjoy teaching people it's a passion  :)

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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #172 on: April 19, 2010, 04:19:31 PM »
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he suddenly got better abs and calves in 1999?

there is more to aesthetics than abs and calves.

taper and muscle shape play a HUGE part.

if you knew something about the sport, you would know that:

ronnie 99 showing very good aesthetic appeal:
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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #173 on: April 19, 2010, 04:19:42 PM »
in 1997 he looked a lot like Greg Kovacs.

but ND totally agrees with the scoring and outcome of all of dorian's contests LOL

 ::)

says the dummy who claims Dorian lost in 1993 to Flex Wheeler lmfao , says the guy who claims Ronnie dominated in 2001 Olympia by losing the entire prejudging lmfao

you can NEVER EVER bitch about any contest you have absolutely NO fucking clue on how contests are judged with these statements , everything you type is based on ignorance , stupidity and bias , very typical of the Coleman fan  ;)


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Re: Dorian Yates' physique is ugly as fuck
« Reply #174 on: April 19, 2010, 04:20:24 PM »
LOL ND a lawyer?

sorry too dumb.

no one who ever made it through law school could ever think dorian was better than ronnie 8)
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