Text of Arizona’s Anti-Illegal Immigration Law

[Eric15210]

I'm sure CNN and MSNBC will show this clip

[Soul Crusher]

this may end up being known as a RINO bill.


many of the true conservatives are against it.  Palin, Mccain - they're for it but they were also for amnesty.


Weird bill thus far.  Are yall saying tancredo and Kristol are WRONG and that this bill does not infringe on the rights of legal americans?

You have truly gone off the deep end.  

[BM OUT]

Is it the law already, yes.  Is this only about enforcing the law?  Is that the only issue with this?  I'm not sure.  Ok, lets say someone gets pulled over for speeding.  While the cop has them pulled over he smells pot.  We'll I think everyone here knows what's going to happen next.  This car is getting searched and he's probably busted for more than speeding and we're all fine with that.  But let's change it up a bit.  Let's just say that the same cop is now driving around looking for people that look like what he imagines the type would be who smokes pot and then detaining them long enough for a search.  Am I missing something or does this not open the door up to all that kind of stuff?  Are there not other ways for a state to challenge the federal government on matters?  yup, many.  So why open this box.  If you don't think the cops take this in every other direction they can, hahaha...  I want illegal immigration dealt with like everyone else.  I'm just not sure we should shoot ourselves in the foot getting it done.  Maybe I'm wrong, just saying shit like this makes me wonder about what's next.

How is this ANY different then what cops do now?

To 240,what are you talking about?EVERY single right wing talk show host is FOR it.EVERY conservative is FOR it.RINOS like Scarborough and Hukabee are against it along with every single idiot lib in the country including the king of idiots Obama.

[Skip8282]

Define "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion."

I'm not implying anything.  This law as is gives cops the freedom to make "lawful contact" with Latino American Citizens if the cops have "reasonable suspicion" that these Latinos are illegal immigrants and demand proof of legal US residence.  "Lawful contact" the can claim would be trespassing.

Again, define "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion."

Once again, you're putting the cart before the horse.  You're saying that a cop can LOOK at somebody, determine from that look that they may be illegally tresspassing, and then make a lawful contact.

There's nothing in the law to suggest that, nor can you demonstrate that's what will happen.

[tonymctones]

Define "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion."

I'm not implying anything.  This law as is gives cops the freedom to make "lawful contact" with Latino American Citizens if the cops have "reasonable suspicion" that these Latinos are illegal immigrants and demand proof of legal US residence.  "Lawful contact" the can claim would be trespassing.

Again, define "lawful contact" and "reasonable suspicion."

the way i read it, you cannot stop someon b/c you think they may be an illegal you have to be in the process of investigating a crime or complaint...you cannot simply stop someone for being mexican

basically if someone is caught stealing a car the cops make lawful contact with this person if then they find reason to believe that they are illegal they are required to inquire about their status...

if you dont know the definitions of these terms why are you against it?

[Skip8282]

These recent mofos' need to STFU and either go back home or assimilate and get with the fucking program.  

Haha...you gotta love how were always being told that the US should stay out of another country's business and we've got clowns from Canada, Venezuela, etc., telling us how we should conduct things in our country.

[Soul Crusher]

This whole thing has been a textbook example of left wing hyperbole and stupidty as evidenced by 240.  

[loco]

Once again, you're putting the cart before the horse.  You're saying that a cop can LOOK at somebody, determine from that look that they may be illegally tresspassing, and then make a lawful contact.

There's nothing in the law to suggest that, nor can you demonstrate that's what will happen.

I'm not saying that.  The law is saying it.

B.  For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.  Any person who is arrested shall have the person’s immigration status determined before the person is released.  The person’s immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c).  

Who defines what "lawful contact" is?  By law all illegal immigrants are trespassing.  

Who defines what "reasonable suspicion" is?

A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution.  

So a cop may not "solely" consider race, color or national origin, but he may consider them as long as it is not the only thing considered.

[loco]

the way i read it, you cannot stop someon b/c you think they may be an illegal you have to be in the process of investigating a crime or complaint...you cannot simply stop someone for being mexican

basically if someone is caught stealing a car the cops make lawful contact with this person if then they find reason to believe that they are illegal they are required to inquire about their status...

if you dont know the definitions of these terms why are you against it?

A cop can stop a Latino and demand papers if "reasonable suspicion exists" that he is trespassing.

If you don't know the definitions of these terms, then why are you for it?

[loco]

Is it the law already, yes.  Is this only about enforcing the law?  Is that the only issue with this?  I'm not sure.  Ok, lets say someone gets pulled over for speeding.  While the cop has them pulled over he smells pot.  We'll I think everyone here knows what's going to happen next.  This car is getting searched and he's probably busted for more than speeding and we're all fine with that.  But let's change it up a bit.  Let's just say that the same cop is now driving around looking for people that look like what he imagines the type would be who smokes pot and then detaining them long enough for a search.  Am I missing something or does this not open the door up to all that kind of stuff?  Are there not other ways for a state to challenge the federal government on matters?  yup, many.  So why open this box.  If you don't think the cops take this in every other direction they can, hahaha...  I want illegal immigration dealt with like everyone else.  I'm just not sure we should shoot ourselves in the foot getting it done.  Maybe I'm wrong, just saying shit like this makes me wonder about what's next.

Yes, it's only about enforcing the law.  They can't enforce this law without racial profiling.

[Skip8282]

I'm not saying that.  The law is saying it.

Who defines what "lawful contact" is?  By law all illegal immigrants are trespassing.  

Who defines what "reasonable suspicion" is?

So a cop may not "solely" consider race, color or national origin, but he may consider them as long as it is not the only thing considered.

No, the law is not saying that - you are.  Let's start from square one.

All illegal aliens are tresspassing.  Now, how does a cop know if somebody is illegal or tresspassing?

THEY DON'T!!!!

And the law does not allow them to just walk up and ask based on race.  There needs to be some type of reasonable suspicion.

[loco]

No, the law is not saying that - you are.  Let's start from square one.

All illegal aliens are tresspassing.  Now, how does a cop know if somebody is illegal or tresspassing?

THEY DON'T!!!!

And the law does not allow them to just walk up and ask based on race.  There needs to be some type of reasonable suspicion.

Exactly!  Apart from race, color, or national origin, how can a cop know if somebody is illegal?

[Soul Crusher]

If there were 20 Million Zips, dagos, wops, and greezers, in this country even doing a fraction of what the illegals from south of the border are doing, I personally would be the biggest proponent of deporting their calzone asses back to sicily, rome, naples, turino, than anyone.  

[loco]

If there were 20 Million Zips, dagos, wops, and greezers, in this country even doing a fraction of what the illegals from south of the border are doing, I personally would be the biggest proponent of deporting their calzone asses back to sicily, rome, naples, turino, than anyone.  

Stop hiring illegal immigrants and they will leave voluntarily.  No jobs, no illegal immigrants.

"According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812

[Soul Crusher]

However, we also have to end the ability of them to benefit from welfare, section 8, food stamps, medicaid, etc. 

You simply cant have open borders and a welfare state at the same time. 

[Skip8282]

Exactly!  Apart from race, color, or national origin, how can a cop know if somebody is illegal?

Now you're getting it.  So a cop can't just stop anybody and start questioning them.  So what's the problem with the law?

[BM OUT]

Exactly!  Apart from race, color, or national origin, how can a cop know if somebody is illegal?

He doesnt ,which is why th law states that the asking of papers can only be done if the cop is investigating a crime.BUT again,a cop RIGHT now can stop ANYONE for ANY reason.If your in a car he DEMADS license and registration.

[loco]

However, we also have to end the ability of them to benefit from welfare, section 8, food stamps, medicaid, etc. 

You simply cant have open borders and a welfare state at the same time. 

The only way that an illegal immigrant can get benefits, is if she has a baby born in the US.  How does this law fix that?  You can't deport the baby because he is an American citizen.  You can't deport the mom because then what will you do with the baby?

Relative to the number of illegal immigrants in the US, few even try to get benefits for fear that they will be detained and deported.  That is why many illegal immigrants do not even report crimes committed against them, because they are afraid if they report the crime, they will be detained and later deported for being in the US illegally.

[Skip8282]

The only way that an illegal immigrant can get benefits, is if she has a baby born in the US.

Hehe...I'm not sure it's even possible to argue with this level of ignorance.

If you truly believe that, you know absolutely nothing about this country or what's going on.

[Hugo Chavez]

The Year 2017

January 11th: Joe Smuckeroo is at Dairy Queen with is daughter.  He's detained and brought in for questioning because a cop thinks he looks like a pedo.

April 14th:  Jerry Balloni snaps at his wife in Walmart.  A cop there on another call hears the spat over lawn chairs and detains the guy for beating his wife since it sounds like he could be the type who beats his wife.

May 27th: The Hernadez family has chalked up a record 47 times being stopped and asked to show their papers.  They've lived in Phoenix since 1995 and moved there from New Mexico where there family has lived since the early days of America.

July 12th:  The order is given that anyone with a Ron Paul Lives bumpersticker be pulled over and checked.

August 4th:  The parent's of an obese child are arrested on child abuse at the new Exxon-Walmart store in Rapid City, SD on the assumption that the parents were feeding their child crap 24/7.  That's what it looks like and everyone agreed.

September 20th:  333387 is detained and questioned based on posts he made many years ago on some website called getbig, federal authorities tagged him as a potential domestic threat.  3333 is lucky, it took 4 years for them to get to him, there were 78,000 people on the list of looks like a domestic threat lined up before him to be detained and questioned.

November 25th:  Drinking with Bob flees the country.  
November 27th:  Fox News reports that Drinking with Bob has been detained and questioned 43 times before fleeing the county.  He's now wanted on insanity charges because authorities think it's insane to flee questioning when you haven't been charged with anything.  Wanted, mentally unstable for looking and sounding dangerous...

December 13th: Dennis Pingo Fandango checks himself into the mental hospital after being detained 117 times in 3 months for having a bullshit name and refusing to have a biometric transmitting chip implanted.


Ok, a few items are lol, but you get the point...

[loco]

Hehe...I'm not sure it's even possible to argue with this level of ignorance.

If you truly believe that, you know absolutely nothing about this country or what's going on.

Then please inform me.  How else can an illegal immigrant get government benefits?

[Soul Crusher]

Where the hell do I even begin?  My friend who is a detective has filled me in on so much of this I dont know where even to begin. 

They are raping the taxpayer sna dsystem blind.   

I swear, if this were guineas from italy doing this shit, I would join the ravioli patrol myself and rid the nation of these freeloaders. 

[Skip8282]

Then please inform me.  How else can an illegal immigrant get government benefits?

If they want medical care, all they have to do is show up at the emergency room.

There's a loophole in SSI allowing them to collect.

The Supreme Court has ruled that illegal alien children may not be turned away from schools.

Here's a GAO report detailing the numerous benefits illegals can and do get.

http://archive.gao.gov/d45t15/150100.pdf

Educate yourself...

[Skip8282]

Then please inform me.  How else can an illegal immigrant get government benefits?

Of course, let's not forget about identity theft on top of all the legal methods.

Educate yourself...

[Hugo Chavez]

If they want medical care, all they have to do is show up at the emergency room.

There's a loophole in SSI allowing them to collect.

The Supreme Court has ruled that illegal alien children may not be turned away from schools.

Here's a GAO report detailing the numerous benefits illegals can and do get.

http://archive.gao.gov/d45t15/150100.pdf

Educate yourself...

just out of curiosity, what can you get treatment for in the emergency room and what can't you get treatment for?  For example, Cancer, we all know that many of us end up with cancer.  If you go into the emergency room with cancer will you get treatment needed for cancer?