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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #2075 on: April 29, 2015, 01:13:09 AM »
Can you give an example of "how quick he changes"?

You probably arent looking very hard if you have yet to see me strongly condemn blatant abuse by cops












Easy example you have changed when replying to me.
Also resorting to the two Accusations.

Again no answers to the rest of my post.
And no constructive ideas / thoughts
On the Problem Big or Small.

It's you that has the Problem it seems, with others who dare voice
Their opinion & See issues in law enforcement & Abuse of Position.

Cops are people like the rest of us so they have Problems & Faults
Like the rest of us, Difference is they have the Law & power the
Job comes with, As Difficult as it may Be They Have to be Held
To a Higher Standard of Behaviour.

I have Said Many A time A Scumbag is A Scumbag
Be they cops, politicians, teachers, road sweepers, Drug Dealer or thug.


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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #2076 on: April 29, 2015, 01:19:04 AM »

Issue resolving-  Officers found to be using excessive force are either re-trained if minor and due to training, or fired if overtly excessive, charged if applicable

Officers found to be falsifying a report, clear indication of deception - fired, charged if applicable

nvestigators suspected of ommiting evidence or facts on a police investigation - Fired charged if applicible

Any officer witnessing a policy violation involving use of force and not writing a supplement that is factual, or sees a serious policy violation and is found to have not alerted a supervisor is fired. Supervisor doesn't pass allegation up channel is fired.

Educate public on processes of investigations. Many would be shocked there is a back log in many departments of over 200 days on some forensic evidence.

Create and educate a civilian monitor committee that oversees Internal Affairs complaints from citizens.

Executive staff makes clear the expectations and holds everyone accountable for honesty.

Training Academy and FTO are indoctrinated in the new standards and expectations and preach it constantly.

In car cameras and body mikes for anyone working the street with a clear policy that failing to turn them on, or turning them off during a contact is grounds for firing.

THEN... start charging citizens with a crime when they are found to have lied about an allegation towards a police officer. It has to be clear evidence caught on video or audio that they lied.

Educate the public that inspite of what the youtube lawyers say, you don't have a right to physically resist arrest even if you don't agree.

That's a start 















Let me say I Hadn't Seen This Post Of Yours.
In my previous Reply.

Very good points.

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« Reply #2077 on: April 29, 2015, 07:48:39 AM »
http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/04/considering-police-body-cameras/

Interesting but long article on police body cameras by the Harvard Law Review

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« Reply #2078 on: April 29, 2015, 02:02:29 PM »
Here's one of the potential objections to police cameras that they came up with. They're mixing a lot of issues together, but it's also fair to say that's what happens on a slippery slope:

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Surveillance State. — In a post-9/11 world, the addition of yet another form of government surveillance should not go unexamined: recent technological advances have allowed the state to move beyond the use of traditional electronic surveillance devices — like wiretaps and bugs — toward more pervasive surveillance techniques. From the Snowden leaks to reports of police drone use, citizens are more conscious than ever of being watched by their government. Moreover, “mission creep” on the part of camera manufacturers has already begun: at least one city has made plans to outfit its parking attendants with body cameras, and some advocates have called for expanding cameras into other arenas, like the classroom.

So although police body cameras have the potential to benefit citizens and officers alike, they nevertheless represent another substantial step toward a surveillance state. Police departments in recent decades have become increasingly militarized, complete with intelligence departments, devices that mimic cell phone towers, and facial recognition software. Facial recognition software in particular may pose a threat to civilian privacy when coupled with body cameras:

[T]he increasing effectiveness of facial recognition software, even in consumer products like Facebook, means that simply recording an image of a person (in a private or public space) can lead to further identification. . . . Officer-mounted wearable cameras, paired with facial recognition, could easily become much like the current crop of automated license readers, constantly reading thousands of faces (license plates), interpreting identity (plate number), and cross-checking this information against national and local crime databases in real-time.

While not necessarily “inimical to individual liberty,” this rapid expansion of police oversight may do less to empower civilians to “watch their watchers,” and more to enable the government to effectively track, detain, and arrest individuals. Indeed, many policing initiatives that have been adopted in the name of “protecting” civilians have later been used against them. Past experiences should inform present debates over national adoption of body cameras, and proponents should be particularly careful to consider the long-term ramifications of normalizing this technology.

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« Reply #2079 on: April 30, 2015, 06:44:44 AM »
 I think body cameras for most departments will eventually be commonplace. But my instincts tell me it's not going to solve issues   Of trust like people believe it will ..  I think it will certainly be more positive than negative but it is not the cure all people seem to believe it will be

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« Reply #2080 on: May 01, 2015, 09:01:26 AM »
Baltimore prosecutor charges police with murder, manslaughter in death of Freddie Gray

DEVELOPING: Prosecutors charged six Baltimore police officers Friday with crimes ranging from murder to assault in the death of Freddie Gray, the 25-year-old black man whose death last month of injuries apparently suffered in police custody touched off peaceful protests that degenerated into a night of rioting, looting and chaos Monday.

State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby, speaking at a Friday news conference, blasted the six police involved in Gray's arrest on April 12, during which he suffered a broken neck that proved fatal a week later. Mosby said the police had no basis for arresting Gray, who police said avoided eye contact and was carrying a switchblade. One police officer, identified as Caesar Goodson, 45, was charged with second-degree murder, while others were charged with crimes including manslaughter and assault.

"No one is above the law," declared Mosby, who said she comes from five generations of law enforcement and has been on the job for four months. Her husband is Baltimore City Councilman Nick Mosby, who has spoken out about the riots and anger in the city's African-American community.

Gray suffered a broken neck, apparently while riding in the back of the Baltimore police van. Mosby said Friday the medical examiner had ruled the death a homicide. Police sources have said his injuries may have been caused by his head hitting a bolt inside the vehicle, according to local reports citing sources familiar with a police report now in the hands of state prosecutors.

The charges leveled against the police include:

- Goodson was charged with second-degree depraved-heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree negligent assault, as well as other charges including failure to render aid and misconduct in office.

- Police Officer William Porter was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

- Police Lt. Brian Rice was charged with involuntary manslaughter and second-degree assault.

- Police Officer Alicia White was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second degree assault and misconduct in office.

- Police officers Edward Nero and Garrett Miller were charged with multiple counts of assault, false imprisonment and misconduct in office.

Mosby said her office’s police integrity unit began investigating the case the day after Gray’s arrest and interviewed dozens of witnesses, viewed video, including of police statements, reviewed medical records and canvassed “the community and the family of Mr. Gray.”

She said her probe found that the police officers, part of a bike patrol led by Rice, made eye contact with Gray, who has a rap sheet that includes several drug arrests. Gray ran from police, prompting the officers to chase after him, Mosby said. Gray surrendered a short time later and was handcuffed with his arms behind his back, she said.

“It was at this time that Mr. Gray indicated that he could not breathe and requested an inhaler, to no avail,” said Mosby, who also said the knife Gray was carrying clipped to the inside of his pants was not a switchblade and was not illegal.

Police held Gray on the sidewalk until Goodson arrived driving the van, Mosby said. Goodson, Rice, Nero and Miller loaded him into the van, she said, but did not secure him with a seatbelt, a policy that had been put in place department wide nine days earlier.

Moments later, Rice ordered Goodson to pull over and the officers took Gray back out of the van. The shackled Gray’s legs, filled out paperwork and put him back in, placing him on his stomach on the floor of the vehicle, Mosby said. It was after that, she said, that Gray suffered his injuries. Mosby said Gray was injured “as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside” the wagon.

Mosby said the police stopped at least one more time to observe Gray, but did not immediately request medical assistance for him despite his pleas.

The Baltimore police officers union issued a statement before Mosby's announcement, saying the six officers are not responsible for Gray's death.

"As tragic as this situation is, none of the officers involved are responsible for the death of Mr. Gray," Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3 President Gene Ryan said in a statement. "To the contrary, at all times, each of the officers diligently balanced their obligations to protect Mr. Gray and discharge their duties to protect the public."

Gray died a week later, on April 19. Until Friday's news conference few details about the investigation had been publicly released and most of what was known came from local reports citing unnamed sources. An explosive report Wednesday night in the Washington Post cited a fellow passenger's account in a police affidavit that said Gray was thrashing around in an effort to injure himself, although that witness went on the city's CBS affiliate to say his words were taken out of context and that he now fears for his life after his statement was used to bolster the police version of events.

“When I was in the back of that van it did not stop or nothing," Danta Allen, who had been arrested for allegedly stealing a cigarette, told WJZ. "All it did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging, like he was banging his head,” Allen said. ” I didn’t even know he was in the van until we got to the station.”

Gray's lawyer has said his spine was nearly severed, but results of an autopsy, like the police report, remained under wraps. That has fueled frustration and suspicion in the community, where peaceful protests devolved into rioting and looting, culminating in a night of chaos on Monday.

The Gray family's lawyers said they wqant the process to play out, and urged calm.

"This family wants justice, and they want justice that comes at the right time and not too soon," attorney Hassan Murphy said Wednesday.

Meanwhile, protesters over Gray’s death continue to spread across the nation. Aside from gatherings in Baltimore, demonstrations spread into Philadelphia and New York Thursday.

Philly.com reports that Philadelphia police made three or four arrests after hundreds of protesters marched through the city to show support for Gray.

More demonstrations are planned through the weekend.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/01/many-questions-still-remain-in-death-freddie-gray/

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #2081 on: May 01, 2015, 09:14:02 AM »
FOP calls on prosecutor to recuse herself, defends officers
 
 
 

   
Source: Baltimore Sun

A Fraternal Order of Police lodge is asking Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor to the Freddie Gray investigation because of her personal connection to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., and her marriage to a city councilman.

The letter from Gene Ryan, president of Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3, also states that none of the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and death were responsible for the 25-year-old West Baltimore man's death that spurred protests and unrest, including rioting and looting on Monday. The letter was released just minutes before Mosby announced charges against the officers.

"Not one of the officers involved in this tragic situation left home in the morning with the anticipation that someone with whom they interacted would not go home that night," the letter states. "As tragic as this situation is, none of the officers involved are responsible for the death of Mr. Gray."

Ryan requests that Mosby appoint a "Special Independent Prosecutor."

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-riots/bs-md-fop-letter-20150501-story.html

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« Reply #2082 on: May 01, 2015, 06:44:39 PM »
Hidden Camera Catches NYPD Cops Arresting Man For No Reason, Making Up Purpose for Stopping Him

Bronx, NY – A video published on Youtube yesterday by user benfarias13 shows an apalling abuse of power by the NYPD when they pull over and arrest a man for absolutely no reason.

The video begins with the driver sitting calmly in his car when an officer walks up and opens the car door, demanding he “step out of the car.” The cop immediately tells him to put his hands behind his back and cuffs him, asking him if he has any weapons. The man complies and replies that he does not have any weapons, asking why he’s being arrested. The officer does not answer, asking again if he has any weapons. The driver reiterates that he has no weapons, asking again why he’s being arrested. The officer’s answer? “Because.”

The man asks again,

    “Because what? Why Am I being arrested? Tell me why I’m being arrested. You never even told me why I got pulled over in the first place.”

The cop repeats “You have any weapons on you?” to which the driver firmly repeats he does not. Still not getting an answer as to why he’s being detained, the driver asks

    “Why did you search my vehicle, because you saw a bag? That makes no sense.”

Apparently the officers thought he was carrying a gun around in a platic bag. Understandably bewildered, the man asks

    “Why would you assume there’s a weapon in a plastic bag?”

He continues to ask why he’s being arrested. The cops continue to ignore his question.

The camera keeps rolling as they take the man away, then return to search his vehicle further, not realizing the camera is recording. While an officer rifles through the driver’s belongings, he moves the phone, blocking the lens in the process, but the audio remains clear.

There’s silence for about two minutes until two officers return to the vehicle. What the officers can be heard saying next is incredible.

    Cop 1: “I don’t even know why we pulled him over…he keeps saying what’s the reason why you pulled me over”

    Cop 2: “Just put “Cocaine Test”

    Cop 1: “That’s what you put”

You can hear the officers laughing about it as they open the door, grab the phone and stop the recording, realizing they’ve just been caught.

New York’s finest, ladies and gentlemen.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-nypd-caught-arresting-man-reason-i-pulled-over/


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« Reply #2083 on: May 02, 2015, 04:30:59 AM »
FOP calls on prosecutor to recuse herself, defends officers
 
 
 

   
Source: Baltimore Sun

A Fraternal Order of Police lodge is asking Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor to the Freddie Gray investigation because of her personal connection to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., and her marriage to a city councilman.

The letter from Gene Ryan, president of Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3, also states that none of the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and death were responsible for the 25-year-old West Baltimore man's death that spurred protests and unrest, including rioting and looting on Monday. The letter was released just minutes before Mosby announced charges against the officers.

"Not one of the officers involved in this tragic situation left home in the morning with the anticipation that someone with whom they interacted would not go home that night," the letter states. "As tragic as this situation is, none of the officers involved are responsible for the death of Mr. Gray."

Ryan requests that Mosby appoint a "Special Independent Prosecutor."

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-riots/bs-md-fop-letter-20150501-story.html






Why post this twice, apologist?

Didn't hear you saying shit about the Ferguson prosecutor to recuse himself...and even the fucking bar association called for that.

Must be only important when the prosecutor isn't trying to push for the cops.

Or maybe because the Baltimore prosecutor is black.  You racists don't like that.


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« Reply #2084 on: May 02, 2015, 05:03:47 AM »





Why post this twice, apologist?

Didn't hear you saying shit about the Ferguson prosecutor to recuse himself...and even the fucking bar association called for that.

Must be only important when the prosecutor isn't trying to push for the cops.

Or maybe because the Baltimore prosecutor is black.  You racists don't like that.



skippy the cop hater,all cops are bad :D.   because there are two threads going mr cop hater

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #2085 on: May 02, 2015, 06:23:39 AM »
skippy the cop hater,all cops are bad :D because there are to threads going mr cop hater

Only a VERY small % of cops are bad, and they belong in prison.

IMHO, the real problem is this:
Good cops treat BAD cops differently than they would treat any other criminal.

if they saw Joe Blow on the street tell a lie that would result in a civilian losing their freedom in jail - making up an assault story, planting drugs, just plain beating his ass - the Good Cop would report them, and the Joe Blow would be in jail for it.

When Good Cops see bad COPS doing these things, they usually look the other way.  Which makes them bad cops too, because they condone, allow and endorse this action by their inaction.

THAT Is a huge difference but makes them the same.

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« Reply #2086 on: May 02, 2015, 06:54:39 AM »
Only a VERY small % of cops are bad, and they belong in prison.

IMHO, the real problem is this:
Good cops treat BAD cops differently than they would treat any other criminal.

if they saw Joe Blow on the street tell a lie that would result in a civilian losing their freedom in jail - making up an assault story, planting drugs, just plain beating his ass - the Good Cop would report them, and the Joe Blow would be in jail for it.

When Good Cops see bad COPS doing these things, they usually look the other way.  Which makes them bad cops too, because they condone, allow and endorse this action by their inaction.

THAT Is a huge difference but makes them the same.

not according to skippy

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« Reply #2087 on: May 02, 2015, 07:47:25 AM »
Only a VERY small % of cops are bad, and they belong in prison.

IMHO, the real problem is this:
Good cops treat BAD cops differently than they would treat any other criminal.

if they saw Joe Blow on the street tell a lie that would result in a civilian losing their freedom in jail - making up an assault story, planting drugs, just plain beating his ass - the Good Cop would report them, and the Joe Blow would be in jail for it.

When Good Cops see bad COPS doing these things, they usually look the other way.  Which makes them bad cops too, because they condone, allow and endorse this action by their inaction.

THAT Is a huge difference but makes them the same.


Good point, though I would add prosecutors, judges, and often juries want to look the other way as well.


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« Reply #2088 on: May 02, 2015, 07:48:42 AM »
not according to skippy



Nope, I would agree with that.

Again, where are your posts criticizing the brutality?

Oh that's right, you don't have any.  Even taking down innocent people is ok with you.

lol, run along now apologist tool.

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« Reply #2089 on: May 02, 2015, 09:10:28 AM »


Nope, I would agree with that.

Again, where are your posts criticizing the brutality?

Oh that's right, you don't have any.  Even taking down innocent people is ok with you.

lol, run along now apologist tool.

lol the cop hater has spoken.my guess is you've had run in with the cops because your probably not on the up and up or you caught your wife or girlfriend cheating on you with a cop because you couldn't satisfy her :D

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« Reply #2090 on: May 02, 2015, 11:08:54 AM »
lol the cop hater has spoken.my guess is you've had run in with the cops because your probably not on the up and up or you caught your wife or girlfriend cheating on you with a cop because you couldn't satisfy her :D


Ah yes, you got nothing, so you have to resort to attacking my family.

Again, where are your posts criticizing the brutality?

Oh that's right, you don't have any.  Even taking down innocent people is ok with you.


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« Reply #2091 on: May 02, 2015, 11:30:37 AM »

Ah yes, you got nothing, so you have to resort to attacking my family.

Again, where are your posts criticizing the brutality?

Oh that's right, you don't have any.  Even taking down innocent people is ok with you.



lol attacking your family i'm talking about you,don' get your panties in a bunch

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« Reply #2092 on: May 02, 2015, 11:53:54 AM »
Only a VERY small % of cops are bad, and they belong in prison.

IMHO, the real problem is this:
Good cops treat BAD cops differently than they would treat any other criminal.

if they saw Joe Blow on the street tell a lie that would result in a civilian losing their freedom in jail - making up an assault story, planting drugs, just plain beating his ass - the Good Cop would report them, and the Joe Blow would be in jail for it.

When Good Cops see bad COPS doing these things, they usually look the other way.  Which makes them bad cops too, because they condone, allow and endorse this action by their inaction.

THAT Is a huge difference but makes them the same.

93% of Blacks are murdered by other Blacks. Let me say that again......93% OF BLACKS ARE MURDERED BY OTHER BLACKS.

Black lives do matter, just not to blacks.

There's your problem, it's not the cops.

Yeah there's always some bad apples, but most are decent people doing a dirty job.

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« Reply #2093 on: May 02, 2015, 12:05:07 PM »
93% of Blacks are murdered by other Blacks. Let me say that again......93% OF BLACKS ARE MURDERED BY OTHER BLACKS.

Black lives do matter, just not to blacks.

There's your problem, it's not the cops.

Yeah there's always some bad apples, but most are decent people doing a dirty job.

no skippy says most cops are bad

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« Reply #2094 on: May 02, 2015, 12:21:12 PM »
no skippy says most cops are bad


If 93% of blacks were murdered by cops I'd agree. But that's not the case.

93% of Blacks are murdered by other Blacks. That's insanity.

Protests should be about that!

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« Reply #2095 on: May 02, 2015, 12:23:38 PM »
93% of Blacks are murdered by other Blacks. Let me say that again......93% OF BLACKS ARE MURDERED BY OTHER BLACKS.

Black lives do matter, just not to blacks.

There's your problem, it's not the cops.

Yeah there's always some bad apples, but most are decent people doing a dirty job.



If you were a little brighter you might realize that the issue in this thread, as well as in Baltimore, is government killing people.

Cops are supposed to be stopping murders, not contributing to them.

Private citizens are generally held accountable for hurting others.  Cops are generally given a pass.

It's not that hard to understand.


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« Reply #2096 on: May 02, 2015, 12:40:53 PM »
If 93% of blacks were murdered by cops I'd agree. But that's not the case.

93% of Blacks are murdered by other Blacks. That's insanity.

Protests should be about that!

it's much easier to blame all cops because we know they're all bad

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« Reply #2097 on: May 02, 2015, 01:06:36 PM »


If you were a little brighter you might realize that the issue in this thread, as well as in Baltimore, is government killing people.

Cops are supposed to be stopping murders, not contributing to them.

Private citizens are generally held accountable for hurting others.  Cops are generally given a pass.

It's not that hard to understand.




I'd love to see Baltimore remove ALL cops from the streets. That would be fun to watch. Let the Thugs run the place w/o law enforcement & see what happens.

Go check Freddie Grays rap sheet, that might give you an idea.











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« Reply #2098 on: May 02, 2015, 04:17:28 PM »
Go check Freddie Grays rap sheet, that might give you an idea.

So it's ok when cops gravely injure someone who is in their custody and then repeatedly refuse to provide prompt emergency medical car because he has a rap sheet? Go fuck yourself troll.

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« Reply #2099 on: May 02, 2015, 04:33:46 PM »
If 93% of blacks were murdered by cops I'd agree. But that's not the case.

93% of Blacks are murdered by other Blacks. That's insanity.

Protests should be about that!

Yes but in those 93% of cases you bet your ass that the guy who did it will be prosecuted.

The cops wont. That is not logical but your fear and need to feel safe is making you a fool.

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