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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2010, 09:53:04 AM »

this isn't really a nutty CT imo, but if you really want to call it that, you'll be calling out mostly conservative/right leaning people for it.  back in the 80's they are the ones that raised the biggest questions, concerns and accusations.  many I agree with and many put into rightwing funded documentaries.  you should watch some of them, they're filled with testimony from both people involved and proffesionals who would know and or did know, cia, fbi etc.

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they bulldozed the building and MELTED and BURIED the DOOR to the place the next day, so that nobody would ever be able to count the rounds fired INTO the waco complex.



= nutty CT.  "They" means who?  The federal government?  So Clinton, Reno, etc. ordered that the building be bulldozed and "MELTED and BURIED the DOOR" the day after the child rapist Vernon Howell burned down his complex to cover up shots being fired into the complex.  I don't know anyone even typing that nonsense can do so with a straight face. 

And I don't really care about political affiliation.  Conservatives can believe in nutty conspiracy theories just like liberals. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2010, 11:11:44 AM »

BB, you really need to research this before shooting your mouth off on it.  It's NOT a crazy CT... There is so much damaging material it's retarded; it would have anyone of the rest of us in prison for 6 consecutive life sentences.  Go ahead and laugh, it's easy to do when you haven't done a lick of research on it. Again, you're mainly accusing conservatives/the right of being nuts on this.  They did most of the work uncovering the truth.  So keep on with it BB.  Tell us why conservatives are off their rocker on this?  It'll be amusing to hear you tell us why the right is totally wrong on Waco.....
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2010, 11:14:28 AM »

BB, quick question.... I've taken the time to post several documenteries on Waco.  Did you watch even part of one? 
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2010, 11:16:07 AM »

The govt made outlandish claims to justify their actions and could have easily ended the situation by waiting it out.  There was no justification for using the tank over there.
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2010, 11:19:40 AM »

This is an internet message board, so I will shoot my mouth off as much as I like.   Smiley  

So let me see if I understand this.  Someone makes the ridiculous allegation that the federal government bulldozed the compound and melted and burried the door to cover up how many shots were fired into the building, and I'm supposed to disprove this?  lol.  

Uh . . . no.  

No I did not watch the documentaries you posted.
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2010, 11:20:14 AM »

The govt made outlandish claims to justify their actions and could have easily ended the situation by waiting it out.  There was no justification for using the tank over there.
And even that's a gross oversimplification of what and why, but I know what you mean.  For those who have actually studied Waco, fucking balls it's hard to listen to jackasses just wave it off as a crazy CT...  This is nothing remotely on the level of alien/ufo/reptilian shit etc...
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2010, 11:22:59 AM »

they might have melted and buried and bulldozed for another reason.  who knows.

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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2010, 11:25:44 AM »

This is an internet message board, so I will shoot my mouth off as much as I like.   Smiley  

So let me see if I understand this.  Someone makes the ridiculous allegation that the federal government bulldozed the compound and melted and burried the door to cover up how many shots were fired into the building, and I'm supposed to disprove this?  lol.  

Uh . . . no.  

No I did not watch the documentaries you posted.
oh, aren't you special then Roll Eyes

"No I did not watch the documentaries you posted"

Nothing much else needs to be said, you admit not giving enough of a shit to spend the time researching what happened.  You don't care to listen to the people involved or the experts who brought valued testimony to the case.  

By all means, shit on the right with this.      
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2010, 11:35:44 AM »

oh, aren't you special then Roll Eyes

"No I did not watch the documentaries you posted"

Nothing much else needs to be said, you admit not giving enough of a shit to spend the time researching what happened.  You don't care to listen to the people involved or the experts who brought valued testimony to the case.  

By all means, shit on the right with this.      

Special Ed maybe (to quote my kids). 

This is funny.  So I don't watch some youtube (or whatever) clips you posted and this is a problem?  lol.  As if whatever you posted is somehow the authority on what happened.   Roll Eyes

I remember Waco.  I followed the story very closely.  I read quite a bit about it.  I could care less what you think about some nutty conspiracy.   

I've also read Danforth's report.  http://www.cesnur.org/testi/DanforthRpt.pdf 

I know, I know.  It's a fraud.  He was paid by Janet Reno.  He's part of the conspiracy, yadda yadda. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2010, 11:42:21 AM »

whatever, go to hell.... They were not youtube clips they were posted on youtube you fucking assclown.  They have been televised many times.  You're just the kind of fucking tard that thinks just because someone uploaded it from their dvr it invalidates it Roll Eyes

maybe I'll just wait for the next time it shows up on TV for you to take it serious?  hahaha, not.....
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2010, 11:48:05 AM »

Oh look.  A meltdown.  How unpredictable.  lol. 

Yes, I will continue to believe that Vernon Howell was a child rapist, that Vernon Howell set fire to the complex, that Vernon Howell and others murdered and wounded ATF agents, and that Vernon Howell is responsible for the Waco tragedy. 

And I will continue to believe that the allegation that the government bulldozed the complex and burned and buried doors the day after as part of a mass federal government conspiracy is another loony conspiracy theory. 
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2010, 12:09:04 PM »

I dont know what the Waco "conspiracy" was Huh

They had a chance to arrest him alone jogging or soemthing the day before, and passed.  instead they sent a team to the house and the Davidians started firing.

After a standoff, the feds moved in, and we have video to show they did a hell of a lot of firing...then they destroyed the crime scene in less than 24 hours.

Maybe you know of other crime scenes where 50+ died, where they bulldoze in 24 hours.  LMAO

Of course.... some of you on this thread are CLINTON VOTERS .... haha libs... of course you're going to defend waco...

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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2010, 12:14:38 PM »

I dont know what the Waco "conspiracy" was Huh


Yes you do. 

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Educate yourself.  Read the Danforth Report.  And stay off the nutty CT websites. 
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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2010, 06:36:48 AM »


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Police video shows how drug raid turned deadly
By Erin Alberty

The Salt Lake Tribune


Published: December 24, 2010 06:54AM

 
Shouts break the evening silence.

“Police! Search warrant!”

Officers burst through the door. A man appears across the room. Metal glints from his clasped hands. Shots echo from a police-issue Glock 22. Todd Blair slumps to the floor.

“Five seconds,” said Blair’s mother, Arlean. “In five seconds, he was dead.”

Officers entered Blair’s home Sept. 16 during a drug raid when he stepped into the hall, wielding a golf club, police video shows. Ogden police Sgt. Troy Burnett shot Blair, 45, in the head and chest.

The shooting was deemed legally justified.

“They could have handled it a lot better,” Arlean Blair countered. “They could have tasered him. They could have done a lot of things other than shoot him.”

Investigation reports obtained by The Tribune depict an operation that took some unexpected turns away from protocol before that one explosive moment.



Grounds for search • Whether Todd Blair was a meth dealer or just a well-connected addict is a matter of dispute. Investigators from Weber and Morgan counties began watching Blair in 2009 after hearing that he was letting drug dealers live at his home in exchange for their products, according to the search warrant request. There were previous reports of meth traffic to and from the home, near 5900 South and 2600 West in Roy.

Investigators gathered evidence that it was Blair’s roommate, Melanie Chournos, buying and selling meth — a factor in the no-knock search that would precede Blair’s death.

Detectives later saw Blair leaving for short, nighttime trips, which suggested drug trades, they wrote. Two tipsters claimed that they had seen Blair — not just Chournos — handing drugs to customers.

Investigators, however, didn’t report seeing Blair make a transaction.

“He was not a dealer,” Arlean Blair insists. “I know that he used ... but he was not a drug dealer. A drug dealer has lots of money and nice things. If you looked in his house, he had nothing. He gave everything away to people who were having trouble.”

Two of Blair’s friends claimed they never saw him even use drugs, but others told police he had caved in to his meth addiction.

“He was paranoid,” Candice Coburn — Blair’s on-again, off-again girlfriend — is quoted as saying in a police interview. “His brain was fried. He would punch and yell at invisible people and me.”

Coburn has told The Tribune that she described no such delusions to police, nor did she ever witness them.

“He really was a nice person,” she said. “We had our fights, but ... he was always giving, always helpful.”

On Sept. 16, the day of Blair’s death, Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force investigator Shane Keyes received word that Blair had 2 ounces of heroin and would be getting more that night. Keyes asked 2nd District Judge Scott M. Hadley for a no-knock, nighttime search warrant because house “lookouts” were known to give warning when police were nearby. Meth dissolves quickly, Keyes added, and “if given the opportunity, Chournos will destroy the evidence.”

However, the warrant doesn’t mention that Chournos had already moved out of Blair’s home — a development officers noted in interviews after his death.

“I had been told that there was some ... domestic violence,” said Weber County sheriff’s Sgt. Nate Hutchinson, who was involved with the raid.

Blair was living alone. Because of the reports of violence, officers decided to wait until he left, pull him over in his Pontiac Grand Am and then search the empty house.



“Dynamic entry” • That night, officers saw people come and go from the home. Finally, a man matching Blair’s description got into the car with a woman and drove away.

Officers pulled them over, but instead found it was Blair’s friend, who had been staying with him. Police released the couple and returned their attention to Blair’s home.

The SWAT team prepared for a “dynamic entry” — breaking through the door and subduing anyone inside.

Normally, that involves extensive planning, officers said in investigation interviews.

“A PowerPoint presentation is typically put together (and) a briefing of everybody sitting around the round table in our office ... and all the details are laid out as far as the suspect, the location, the route in, the ... evacuation points and ... where the closest medical [facility] is,” officer Brandon Beck said in a transcribed interview with county investigators.

Instead, the team gathered at a nearby retirement home to go over the plan.

To do a dynamic entry without the in-office briefing is “absolutely not our standard,” said Burnett, the officer who shot Blair, during an interview with investigators.

On the video, minutes before the raid begins, an officer can be heard asking the group, “Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?”

“Oh, don’t tell me that,” Burnett replies. He then tells the other officers, “He doesn’t have a copy of the warrant.”

Because the warrant was for a no-knock search, the copy wasn’t necessary to enter the house, Weber County Attorney Dee Smith said.

“Someone could have easily hurried and brought it back [from the office],” he said.

There is no time limit for when a warrant should be presented to a subject, agreed Ogden Police Chief Jon Greiner — “it depends on the situation” — but generally when a warrant is served, “It’s in [officers’] possession at the time.”

As the raid played out, Blair wouldn’t ask for the warrant anyway.



Officers rush in • Burnett was assigned to lead the team in. It wouldn’t be his first use of deadly force — in 2006, he shot and killed white supremacist William Glen Maw after Maw fled from a traffic stop and then turned and pointed a gun at Burnett. Then-Weber County District Attorney Mark De Caria commended him for his bravery.

Outside Blair’s house, Burnett held his .40-caliber Glock 22 “at the low ready,” with a round in the chamber. Six other officers were behind him. It was about 9:30 p.m. when they began to yell, “Police! Search warrant!”

After three strikes on the door, it burst open.

Accounts of what happened next vary by a second here and a foot there.

Those minutiae matter, Smith said.

“We actually broke [the video] down frame by frame,” he said.

The second man in, Ogden officer Jared Francom, said Burnett had gotten “about one foot in the door” when gunfire erupted.

Burnett recalled:

“The door flew open. I was first in the door. I went to the right to ... a living-room area. ... I moved to the right to dig my corners.

“[The number of] feet from the front door to where I first saw him, I don’t know ... eight feet from inside the front door, but I had went ... to the right. I don’t know how far.”

Blair appeared in the door frame holding a MacGregor Lite golf club in the stance of a right-handed batter.

“He had some silver thing. ... I thought it was a sword or something,” Burnett said. “It was silverish and thin.

“I didn’t think about saying words. I just thought about not getting hit, or slashed or whatever.”

The distance from Burnett to Blair has been estimated between “a little more than an arm’s length away,” according to Burnett, to 8 feet, as reflected by a scale diagram showing positions of the shell casings.

“There’s no way to say an exact measure,” Smith said.

Also important is whether Blair was moving toward the officers. Blair initially wasn’t in the doorway but appeared about a second later — technically an “approach,” Smith said. Then he appears to take “about two steps into the doorway with the club raised,” Smith said.

Burnett didn’t remember Blair advancing.

“I’m sure that I was moving forward,” he said. “I don’t know if he was. He was just — it seemed like he was just kind of still. ... I can’t recall him chasing after me. I don’t recall that. He was just right there.”

Francom said, “It appeared to me that he was coming toward us. But there wasn’t much time for him to make too much of an advance before.”

Ultimately, Smith said, it was Burnett who didn’t have time to wait.

“Our best conclusion is it would have taken less than half a second for Mr. Blair to close that gap and strike the officer,” he said.



Aftermath • Video after the shooting shows an officer putting handcuffs on Blair and searching for a pulse. Burnett orders a call to medics and stays in the front room, while other officers search the house.

“Everybody out,” Burnett says. “This is a different crime scene now.”

It isn’t clear from evidence logs whether investigators found the drugs they were looking for. There was paraphernalia and “a small, pink plastic bag with a white crystal substance.”

But neither the substance nor its amount is identified, and officials with the Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force didn’t return The Tribune’s calls for comment.

Ogden police investigated the shooting independently and agreed it was justified.

“He had less than a second to make a decision with a guy swinging what looked like a sword in his hands,” Greiner said. “We train these officers regularly on how to defend themselves and be able to go home at night.”

He said his department also reviewed strategies for no-knock search warrants.

“We’ve discussed a couple of ways as to how we can be more careful,” he said without elaborating. “The problem is, what you’re looking for could easily be destroyed and there’s generally weapons. ... I just don’t know an easy way to get in there.”

Blair’s family has obtained a copy of the video and reports. Neither Arlean Blair nor her two daughters have viewed them.

“No way,” said Todd Blair’s sister, Delene Hyde. “How could I watch my brother’s murder?”

The family has discussed suing police but hasn’t finalized anything.

“We decided to let it rest until after Christmas,” Arlean Blair said. “Christmas is a special time in our family — him [Todd Blair] included.”


Editor’s note: The story has been updated to reflect that Candice Coburn’s remarks were quoted from police reports. Coburn has since told The Tribune that she never saw Blair “punch and yell at invisible people” and made no such statement to police.

Utah’s deadly force law

76-2-404. Peace officer’s use of deadly force.

(1) A peace officer, or any person acting by his command in his aid and assistance, is justified in using deadly force when:

(c) the officer reasonably believes that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to the officer or another person.

(2) If feasible, a verbal warning should be given by the officer prior to any use of deadly force under Subsection (1)(c).



Video online

In order to show the public how the events unfolded, The Tribune has posted a video of the raid online at www.sltrib.com.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50932722-76/blair-burnett-officers-police.html.csp#


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« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2010, 06:37:52 AM »

This is total fucking bullshit.  "Protect and serve"  my ass. 

They murdered that guy.   


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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2010, 06:50:24 AM »

Wonder why these "bravest" are not going after bloods, crips, ms-13, vatos loco, etc?   


We all know why now don't we.   Fucking pussies. 
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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2010, 07:21:50 AM »

The worst is when they shoot those little dogs about 5-6 times for their own sick pleasure as I just cant figure out how a shitzu or a Russell Terrier or even a Lab, for that matter, could be a threat.
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« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2010, 07:24:53 AM »

The worst is when they shoot those little dogs about 5-6 times for their own sick pleasure as I just cant figure out how a shitzu or a Russell Terrier or even a Lab, for that matter, could be a threat.

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« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2010, 09:04:25 AM »

Looks legit to me.  I don't have any problem with this one.
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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2010, 09:11:26 AM »

Looks legit to me.  I don't have any problem with this one.

Come on skip.  They did not have a warrant.   The guy was probably thinking his place was being burglarized by people and screaming police.   

These guys were armed to the teeth with helmets, assault rifles, kevlar vests etc.   

Dude had a golf club. 

Even if he did have drugs?   So what?    Its not like this was a hostage situation or thre was danger of imminent violnce to others.   


I'm totally against the militarization of the police force.         
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« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2010, 09:18:51 AM »

Come on skip.  They did not have a warrant.   The guy was probably thinking his place was being burglarized by people and screaming police.   

These guys were armed to the teeth with helmets, assault rifles, kevlar vests etc.   

Dude had a golf club. 

Even if he did have drugs?   So what?    Its not like this was a hostage situation or thre was danger of imminent violnce to others.   


I'm totally against the militarization of the police force.         



They had a warrant, just not on them and didn't have to as it was no-knock.  We know now he had a golf club, but the only thing the officers could see was a metal glint.

It's easy to sit back and play Monday morning quarterback.  When you're the cop whose life is on the line, and you have a second to make a decision, it's completely different.  Talk is easy.

We can agree that a lot of times the cops use way too much force, but in this case, I think they were justified (just going off the vid).
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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2010, 09:26:03 AM »

The only reason their "life was on the line" was brecause they broke into a guys house in the middle of the night.   If they knocked on the door and the guy fled into the batheroom and then came out with a club, I could see that.

I'm just imagining a scenario where in the middle of the night my house gets busted in to and I a startled and grab my gun.   

Do I deserve death for trying to protect my house? 

I totally disagree with no-knock warrants.   

I don't think obtaining drugs as evidence is worth the risk of loss of life.   

I'm very conservative on a lot of issues, but not on criminal procedure stuff.   I know a few cops and know how they "build" these cases, an its often on bullshit evidence, like this case.         
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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2010, 10:18:57 AM »

saw this on another forum.  It looks like flat out murder to me.  Same with the father that was shot holding a hose sprayer Roll Eyes
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« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2010, 11:01:29 AM »

Obviously, Obama hasn't responded from his vacation in his pseudobirthplace.

No surprise there!
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« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2010, 11:14:03 AM »

That's cuz a cracka wuz clipped.
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