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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #175 on: June 21, 2010, 08:43:38 AM »
Haha, soccer has nothing to do with power, speed, and size!  You heard it here first folks!!

So I guess after 9 pages we can agree its a matter of cultural difference. Americans love sports of brute force,  while europe prefers quality and skill. Whoa didn't see that coming.

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #176 on: June 21, 2010, 08:48:07 AM »
Further to your point about the sport changing forver because of the introduction of black players....that already happened in football 30 years ago. Black players did and do make a huge difference to the quality of teams. By your logic african teams shold win almost by default...Brazil are a mixture of black, mixed race and white players, as are england and france...your point is basically irrelevant.

You confused Black with African.  In the UK blacks are africans.  In the USA they are 5 or 6 generations removed from africa.  Were bread as slaves and the strongest survived and were bread with other strong slaves.  There's a reason why the average Black in north america is stronger, leaner, more muscular than the average off the boat african.

If the majority of NFL, NBA and NHL athletes decided to play soccer the USA would win every world cup.  You don't think that NFL running backs have good feet?  LaDanian Tomlinson can out run and fake out anyone in the world cup.  Darren sproles, the same.  Guys like this can dance around any fool then blow them away in any sprint.  Who the fuck in the world cup would catch Chris Johnson on a break away?  Chris johnson dances through lineman that can crush any soccer player.  You are speaking out of your ass comparing soccer players to real athletes.  Maybe compare soccer players to chess or billiards players for a fair comparison.

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #177 on: June 21, 2010, 08:49:46 AM »
So I guess after 9 pages we can agree its a matter of cultural difference. Americans love sports of brute force,  while europe prefers quality and skill. Whoa didn't see that coming.

It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate.  ::)

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #178 on: June 21, 2010, 08:55:35 AM »
You confused Black with African.  In the UK blacks are africans.  In the USA they are 5 or 6 generations removed from africa.  Were bread as slaves and the strongest survived and were bread with other strong slaves.  There's a reason why the average Black in north america is stronger, leaner, more muscular than the average off the boat african.

If the majority of NFL, NBA and NHL athletes decided to play soccer the USA would win every world cup.  You don't think that NFL running backs have good feet?  LaDanian Tomlinson can out run and fake out anyone in the world cup.  Darren sproles, the same.  Guys like this can dance around any fool then blow them away in any sprint.  Who the fuck in the world cup would catch Chris Johnson on a break away?  Chris johnson dances through lineman that can crush any soccer player.  You are speaking out of your ass comparing soccer players to real athletes.  Maybe compare soccer players to chess or billiards players for a fair comparison.
Would you please stop this dumbass theory. For the record if there were bread for anything it would be long 12 hour days, not 1 hour of sprinting. So they'd actually better endurance athletes than anything else. By this reasoning anyone from northern europe should be super strong as it'd make them better vikings. ::)

If you can actually back this theory up with some genetics  evidence other than opinions I'm all ears. Please don't quote some wack job scientist opinion cuz i can found loads who think the world is 6500 years old. There is no genetic evidence and if there were scientists would be all over it. Statically blacks are about an inch shorter than whites. They appear to be big cuz you only notice the pro athelets. Just make a list of black comedians and rappers and none of them are over 510

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #179 on: June 21, 2010, 09:31:22 AM »
Would you please stop this dumbass theory. For the record if there were bread for anything it would be long 12 hour days, not 1 hour of sprinting. So they'd actually better endurance athletes than anything else. By this reasoning anyone from northern europe should be super strong as it'd make them better vikings. ::)

If you can actually back this theory up with some genetics  evidence other than opinions I'm all ears. Please don't quote some wack job scientist opinion cuz i can found loads who think the world is 6500 years old. There is no genetic evidence and if there were scientists would be all over it. Statically blacks are about an inch shorter than whites. They appear to be big cuz you only notice the pro athelets. Just make a list of black comedians and rappers and none of them are over 510
come on dumb ass put up your best soccer player and we will show you atheletes that make him look like a kid...

still waiting...

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #180 on: June 21, 2010, 09:35:30 AM »
Hey fellas! Come and watch the spanish macho men take plenty of hard fought dives in their upcoming match against honduras LOL Match starts in bout 2 hours!

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #181 on: June 21, 2010, 10:19:46 AM »
Coaching isnt the problem...look at all the academies sprining up in africa that funnel high quality players into europe and have been doing so since the late 80's early 90's. Not only that most african sides national teams have either a european or a south american coach.
So all the best players go to Europe, but during World Cup play for their respective countries? So who do the African countries have Coaching them? Good or subpar coaches? Or do they need players with leadership and good coaches?

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #182 on: June 21, 2010, 11:02:36 AM »
It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate.  ::)

Haven't you heard, BerzerkFury?  Baseball does not require skill and talent, only "brute force"  ::)

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #183 on: June 21, 2010, 11:15:26 AM »
10 pages in and soccer is still gay

carry on

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #184 on: June 21, 2010, 11:15:57 AM »
Oh, come on.....now we have an idiot saying american blacks arent the best pure athletes in the world....thats total nonsense.

 Two Words : Bo Jackson

As to the rest of these guys, STILL laughing at your defense of your precious sport.

American blacks have dominated every sport they play, if they were kicking around soccer balls as a kid instead of basketballs and footballs, they would dominate that too. Just look at history, they have done it in every other sport.....what makes you think soccer is so fucking special ??

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #185 on: June 21, 2010, 11:52:12 AM »
It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate.  ::)

Specifity.

Give a top slugger a football and ask him to run 50yards around 3 players and chip the keeper he wont be able to do.

Give a football player a baseball bat he will swing and miss everytime.

Both are at the top of their games though.

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #186 on: June 21, 2010, 11:54:00 AM »
Oh, come on.....now we have an idiot saying american blacks arent the best pure athletes in the world....thats total nonsense.

 Two Words : Bo Jackson

As to the rest of these guys, STILL laughing at your defense of your precious sport.

American blacks have dominated every sport they play, if they were kicking around soccer balls as a kid instead of basketballs and footballs, they would dominate that too. Just look at history, they have done it in every other sport.....what makes you think soccer is so fucking special ??

Seriously what sports.

I can think of Athletics sub 400m, basketball and NFL.


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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #187 on: June 21, 2010, 12:05:58 PM »
Haven't you heard, BerzerkFury?  Baseball does not require skill and talent, only "brute force"  ::)
It takes skill of course. But conditioning overrides skills. Where as in soccer skill overrides conditioning. It's not that complicated equation. Being a pro athlete means you have something no one else has. In basketball it's height, football and baseball its size speed strength. In soccer is mostly skill that gets you in, where in soccer as long as you have average endurance your okay. I play both basketball and soccer, because i'm 6'3" and can sprint i dominate in basketball, while in soccer i suck.




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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #188 on: June 21, 2010, 12:06:25 PM »
Seriously what sports.

I can think of Athletics sub 400m, basketball and NFL.



There is a negro that's pretty good at Golf.  Baseball is no longer dominated by blacks.  Latin Americans have taken that over for sure.

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #189 on: June 21, 2010, 12:47:20 PM »
The top guy is the black for sure.

But other than Tiger Woods I cant think of one black golfer.

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #190 on: June 21, 2010, 12:55:12 PM »
It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate.  ::)
Takes years of practice and athletic gifts, but at 90+ you need some luck, too. Those speeds are just ridiculous. You'd have to start your swing as the pitcher releases the ball, hoping you've read his tells or you have a good scouting report. 'Course, he could throw you an off-speed pitch. Great game.  :)  

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #191 on: June 21, 2010, 12:55:25 PM »
It takes skill of course. But conditioning overrides skills. Where as in soccer skill overrides conditioning. It's not that complicated equation. Being a pro athlete means you have something no one else has. In basketball it's height, football and baseball its size speed strength. In soccer is mostly skill that gets you in, where in soccer as long as you have average endurance your okay. I play both basketball and soccer, because i'm 6'3" and can sprint i dominate in basketball, while in soccer i suck.
LMAO like ursus said its just ignorance of each others sports...

there is so much skill and teamwork involved in american football its ridiculous

the best players in football and basketball arent the tallest or the fastest they are the ones with the most skill and vision and yes toughness...AFTER ALL ITS A FUKING SPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #192 on: June 21, 2010, 01:26:24 PM »
The only hope for el futbol being big in the US here is the increasing immigration. In school, you either played american football or baseball. The brothers also had their basketball. The rest either stayed out of sports or was thrown on a soccer field. Sad, but true.

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #193 on: June 21, 2010, 01:32:04 PM »
It takes skill of course. But conditioning overrides skills. Where as in soccer skill overrides conditioning. It's not that complicated equation. Being a pro athlete means you have something no one else has. In basketball it's height, football and baseball its size speed strength. In soccer is mostly skill that gets you in, where in soccer as long as you have average endurance your okay. I play both basketball and soccer, because i'm 6'3" and can sprint i dominate in basketball, while in soccer i suck.

Haha, yes, conditioning overrides skill in baseball!  What will this idiot come up with next?

Skill and conditioning are critical in every sport.  If you think having average endurance will get you by on a soccer pitch then maybe that's why you suck at it.  It's probably my typical American stupidity that's holding me back from understanding the salient points of your lovely argument here ::)  There is a lot more to being a good basketball player than height.  I'm taller than probably half the starting point guard in the NCAA and all of them would wipe the floor with me.  It's called god-given athletic ability and it plays just as much a role in soccer as in any other major sport.  What the hell are you even arguing?  

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #194 on: June 21, 2010, 01:37:32 PM »
Exactly. they dominate the sports where you chase a ball around, which is Soccer as well

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #195 on: June 21, 2010, 02:28:19 PM »
It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate.  ::)


 Really? ;)

 



 







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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #196 on: June 21, 2010, 02:48:05 PM »

  Cultural reasons why Americans have no real talent for soccer:

1. No Hands

The most popular American sports – basketball, baseball, American football, ice hockey, golf – primarily involve the use of hands / upper body to compete in. In fact, you could argue that feet are only for mobility (only American football allows for kicking, and that too is best done long-range).

Now if you drop a sport like soccer – all feet, some head and no hands – it’s like asking someone to walk on their hands instead of their feet. It’s not easy to switch around to compeletely different way of playing a sport.


2. No Breaks

Who in the world thought of a 90-minute game that only took one break, and that too after 45 minutes? The American public is used to a quick break every 5 minutes, if not sooner. Basketball has its quarters. Baseball has its regular breaks with batters coming in and going out. American football is a stop-start game. In golf you hit a ball a couple of hundred yards and then you walk towards it (the game is a candidate for the most retarded sport ever award).

On the other hand, soccer has a natural ebb and flow to it that no American sport can match.

Americans have been bred on small, easily digestible segments of everything – sport, news, knowledge, etc. It’s a cultural effort to make low concentration levels a standard across the country. It’s also why the typical American watching soccer feels the inevitable urge to flip to another channel and watch commercials every 5 minutes.




3. They Hate It

They didn’t create it, and they’re not very good at it. Either one would have been enough to foster some passion for the sport, but since there are so many countries in the world that are better than the US at soccer, the American people have little interest.

And it makes sense too – why follow something in which your side keeps losing? After being subjected to a lifetime of doctored news and world views, this sudden brush with reality is overwhelming for the average American psyche and they do what any American would do when faced with something they don’t know – they turn their back to it.

Ironically this disdain for soccer makes it more difficult for the sport to take off in the country – a vicious cycle.

4. No One Likes The Americans

Usually, when there’s someone in your family who’s not as good at a sport as you are, you tend to try and help them out so that they can get better and (hopefully) provide more of a challenge to you later on.

At least that’s what I’ve seen.

With the US though, the rest of the world isn’t so kind. We’ve made it acceptable to make fun of US soccer instead of going there and investing in the sport in America. We’ve made it acceptable to mock them instead of training them and coaching them.

That’s why when someone like David Beckham – an excellent businessman – goes to the US to invest in soccer, the world laughs at him. Would you laugh at Bill Gates if he invested in a new technology startup? People would scramble to get involved. The world doesn’t take Americans seriously, and soccer is worse off as a result.

5. It’s Illegal To Cheat

Did you know that American sports in general do not follow WADA rules? That the use of performance-enhancing drugs is not strictly regulated in US sports? The World Anti-Doping Agency has strict regulations that almost all sports adhere to, especially soccer with it’s spot drug testing and what not. American sports, on the other hand, play by their own rules, which is a nice way to say that American sports feature more drug abuse than more global sports.

In some cases, having a global authority making sure that you follow certain standards is a good thing.

But hey, what’s the point of playing a sport when you can’t pump yourself with drugs to make you faster / stronger? If you can’t cheat, why play?




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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #197 on: June 21, 2010, 03:05:15 PM »
Either that or it is boring as piss.

We have better sports that i have no problem sitting down for a whole 90 minutes and watching.

I love the old "unsophisticated American" argument.  Golf and tennis are supposed sports of the rich and they are very popular in the states.


Soccer fucking blows....end of story

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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #198 on: June 21, 2010, 03:13:35 PM »
Either that or it is boring as piss.

We have better sports that i have no problem sitting down for a whole 90 minutes and watching.

I love the old "unsophisticated American" argument.  Golf and tennis are supposed sports of the rich and they are very popular in the states.


Soccer fucking blows....end of story
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Re: Explain something about soccer
« Reply #199 on: June 21, 2010, 03:21:23 PM »
The hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball, and baseball is much more a game of skill than it is of conditioning. Also foot speed is a big plus in baseball, but it's not a requirement. I think that the best conditioned athletes are basketball players, with soccer players being a rather close second.