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« Reply #125 on: December 24, 2010, 02:32:41 PM »

Why did you ignore my video showing proof obama killed the public option on his own?  

I did not see in any of your videos any direct proof that Obama killed the public option...it is true that he did not fight for it because repubs and some dems did not want it

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« Reply #126 on: December 24, 2010, 03:47:37 PM »

I did not see in any of your videos any direct proof that Obama killed the public option...it is true that he did not fight for it because repubs and some dems did not want it


Posted: March 16, 2010 12:57
NY Times Reporter Confirms Obama Made Deal to Kill Public Option

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 For months I've been reporting in The Huffington Post that President Obama made a backroom deal last summer with the for-profit hospital lobby that he would make sure there would be no national public option in the final health reform legislation. (See here, here and here). I've been increasingly frustrated that except for an initial story last August in the New York Times, no major media outlet has picked up this important story and investigated further.

Hopefully, that's changing. On Monday, Ed Shultz interviewed New York Times Washington reporter David Kirkpatrick on his MSNBC TV show, and Kirkpatrick confirmed the existence of the deal. Shultz quoted Chip Kahn, chief lobbyist for the for-profit hospital industry on Kahn's confidence that the White House would honor the no public option deal, and Kirkpatrick responded:

"That's a lobbyist for the hospital industry and he's talking about the hospital industry's specific deal with the White House and the Senate Finance Committee and, yeah, I think the hospital industry's got a deal here. There really were only two deals, meaning quid pro quo handshake deals on both sides, one with the hospitals and the other with the drug industry. And I think what you're interested in is that in the background of these deals was the presumption, shared on behalf of the lobbyists on the one side and the White House on the other, that the public option was not going to be in the final product."
Kirkpatrick also reported in his original New York Times article that White House was standing behind the deal with the for-profit hospitals: "Not to worry, Jim Messina, the deputy White House chief of staff, told the hospital lobbyists, according to White House officials and lobbyists briefed on the call. The White House was standing behind the deal".



This should be big news. Even while President Obama was saying that he thought a public option was a good idea and encouraging supporters to believe his healthcare plan would include one, he had promised for-profit hospital lobbyists that there would be no public option in the final bill.

The media should be digging deeper into this story. Washington reporters should be asking Robert Gibbs if President Obama is still honoring this deal. They should be calling Jim Messina and hospital lobbyist Chip Kahn to confirm the specifics of the deal. They should be asking Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leaders Dick Durbin and Harry Reid the extent of their knowledge of this deal. They should be asking Pelosi if the reason she's refusing to include a public option in the House reconciliation bill to be sent to the Senate is that there are at least 51 Senate Democrats who would vote for it and she needs to insure that a final bill with a public option does not end up on President Obama's desk where he would then have to break his deal with the hospital lobbyists and sign it, or veto it to honor his deal.

More deeply, there are serious questions about the extent to which Obama, with the help of Rahm Emanuel, used a K Street strategy to pursue health care reform. The strategy seems to have been to make backroom deals to protect the interests of the likes of the drug industry and the for-profit hospital industry in exchange for campaign cash, even if this meant reversing campaign promises to include a public option to put competitive pressure on private insurance premiums, and to allow Medicare to negotiate for lower drug prices and Americans to buy cheaper drugs from Canada. The result is a health care bill that is generally unpopular with voters. Questions need to be asked, too, about the extent to which the White House is following a similar K Street strategy with Wall Street financiers when it comes to shaping financial reform and new regulations to rein in the banks who brought the economy to its knees.

Voters viscerally sense that the White House and Congressional Democrats may be as concerned with protecting special interests -- whether it's drug companies, private hospitals, or Wall Street bank -- than they are with protecting the people, and this is feeding a populist backlash against Democrats that resulted in Scott Brown's victory in Massachusetts and is making a Democratic bloodbath in the fall elections increasingly likely.

Polls indicate that about 60% of voters support a public option while only about 1/3 support the overall Democratic healthcare bill. There still time -- very little time -- for Democrats to shift course and include a public option in the final bill, even if it means going back on the White House's backroom deal with the hospital industry. If the media picks up on this story, perhaps the White House and Congressional Democrats can be embarrassed into changing course. If, on the other hand, Democrats continue to honor these special interest deals, then passing an unpopular health care bill may just be walking into a Republican trap.
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RESPONSE TO COMMENTS: Whenever I write blogs which are critical of Obama and Congressional Democrats for making corporatist deals, I get numerous comments from people who believe they are progressive but say they will never vote for Obama or Democrats again, that they will stay home at the next election, or that they will vote for small third parties who have no chance of winning. It's not my intent to encourage those views. Do people making these comments really think bringing Republicans back to power would make things better?

My goal is to shine a light on these backroom deals in order to embarrass Obama and Congressional Democrats to put the interests of the voters over the interests of special interests so that Republicans can't play at being faux populists and use that to take back Congress in order to enact even worse corporatist policies.

Progressives need to have a sophisticated and nuanced relationship with elected Democrats. After the 2008 elections, too many progressive organizations demobilized believing their job was simply to take orders from the White House to support Obama's agenda, whatever it was. That was a mistake. It's equally a mistake for progressives to overreact in the opposite direction and think they can abandon electoral politics and do nothing to prevent the Republicans from regaining power. What's needed is a powerful grassroots progressive movement to force elected officials to do the right thing more often and to counter-balance the power of big money in politics. The periods of progressive change in American politics, like the Progressive Era, The New Deal, and the Great Society, have come when strong progressive movements have forced elites and elected officials to enact somewhat progressive legislation.

Back in June, 2008, I wrote a blog entitled "Obama Will Break Our Hearts--But Progressives Need to Walk and Chew Gum at the Same Time" in which I argued that progressives needed to both elect Obama and create a strong grassroots movement or pressure him.

More recently, I wrote a blog entitled "The Democrats' Authoritarian Health 'Reform' Bill and the Ascendency of Corporatism in the Democratic Party" in which I critiqued Obama's Clintonian New Democratic corporatist ideology of trying to use subsidized private sector entities to achieve supposedly "progressive" policy results, thus promoting a corporate takeover of the public sector. I explained why, in my view, this is likely to lead to failure both in bringing meaningful progressive change, and in creating a politics that can keep Democrats in power.

I will continue to write the truth, as I see it, and to criticize Obama and corporatist Democrats when I think they're wrong. But my goal is to create greater understanding and progressive mobilization, not to discourage readers or lead them to give up and stay home.



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Re: 3333.....OBAMA IS KICKING YOUR ASS!!!!!
« Reply #127 on: December 24, 2010, 03:57:54 PM »

I did not see in any of your videos any direct proof that Obama killed the public option...it is true that he did not fight for it because repubs and some dems did not want it

Wake up andre and face the music already.

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Did Obama Kill the Public Option in July?


 Congress will pass health care reform any day now, and it probably won't have a public option to hold private insurance accountable. Even though a version passed the House last November, and 51 Senators are on record saying they would vote for it. And while Democrats are at this point "damned if they do" and "damned if they don't" on passing a very unpopular bill, the public option consistently has strong support. But Majority Whip Dick Durbin said the Senate won't even vote on a public option unless the House puts it in the final legislation, and a few hours later Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that could not happen. President Obama has been justifiably slammed for not pushing hard enough for a public option, but the truth may be even worse than that. We know the White House cut a deal with hospitals and insurance companies last July on prescription drugs -- but as a New York Times reporter said this week, they also killed the public option. And given the public option's inexplicable fate, I have to believe the story.

On August 13th, David Kirkpatrick reported in the New York Times that contrary to public perception, President Obama was playing a much bigger role in shaping the health care bill. In meetings with Senator Max Baucus and lobbyists from Pharma, the White House was able to get their support for reform -- using Baucus' Finance Committee as a framework for the ultimate legislation.

"Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals," he wrote, "said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan [my emphasis]." Kirkpatrick went on to quote one of the industry lobbyists, Chip Kahn, who said: "We have an agreement with the White House that I'm very confident will be seen all the way through conference."

I don't remember that New York Times article, which no traditional media ever picked up on. Like most liberal bloggers, I was in Pittsburgh on August 13th for Netroots Nation. As happens at those four-day conferences, we were too overwhelmed to be reading the news -- but White House adviser Valerie Jarrett was there to assure us the president is on our side.

On March 15th, Ed Shultz of MSNBC had the Times' David Kirkpatrick on his show - who confirmed that Obama's backroom deal with the hospital and pharmaceutical industries last July included an agreement to kill the public option.

Others have written that Obama knew the public option is popular with his base, so he didn't want to be the one to kill it. He tried to make Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid the fall guy, but Reid wouldn't budge. Ultimately, the honor went to Joe Lieberman - who progressives despise already, and would proudly take the blame.

In other words, while Obama was still saying in September that he supports the public option (which kept us hopeful) - the President knew all along that it would never make it in the final bill. He never said he'd fight to include the public option, and repeatedly said he was "open" to other ways to achieve the same goal. But little did we know, the fix was in.

When the White House in December pressured Harry Reid to cave to Joe Lieberman's extortion - which I dubbed the "Day the Democrats Died" - my faith in Barack Obama was irreparably shattered. At this point, it became crystal clear to me this President would not push the change we can believe in -- that progressives would have to just do it themselves.

Which is why I've felt the work that the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Howard Dean's Democracy for America has been so important. Democrats claim we "don't have the votes" for passing a public option, so the netroots had to prove them wrong - by organizing a "whip count" at www.whipcongress.com: get 51 Senators on record supporting a public option through reconciliation. It was the only pro-active thing to do.

And these efforts - with no active support from the Democratic Party leadership - helped everyday activists get involved in a meaningful way. But while the whip count was successful, two progressive Senators who have always championed the public option - Tom Harkin and Jay Rockefeller - would not commit to voting for it under reconciliation, when I assumed they'd be low-hanging fruit.

I can only come up with one reason -- the president didn't want the public option, and they wouldn't stand up to him. And now that we hear that Obama killed the public option in a back-room deal last July, it all makes sense. The netroots effort has now identified the votes in the Senate to pass a public option - but it doesn't matter. It won't happen.

Why is the public option such a big deal? Isn't it true that only about 5% of Americans would even be covered? But the issue was never about how many people would actually use it. Its mere existence would give teeth to all the parts of the bill that deal with private insurance -- such as a ban on pre-existing conditions. If these companies (which have proven they can't be trusted) have to deal with competition, it keeps them honest.

And we always knew the public option itself was not very exciting -- most of us wanted single payer, just like in all other Western industrialized nations. But single-payer was never considered -- it was dropped from the very start, leaving us with the public option as a compromise. If the Democrats had at least fought for single payer, I could be okay with not having a public option in the final bill. But instead, progressives were duped -- and the public option took on a great importance because it was our final concession.

At Daily Kos, a diarist argued yesterday that -- assuming all of this is true -- we don't know what Obama's motivations were in killing the public option. He could have made what was viewed as a pragmatic decision -- a "chess move" that turned out to be an abject failure. But it was precisely because they cut a deal behind closed doors that we'll never know. It's these kind of backroom deals that disempower progressive activists who deserve transparency.

In late December, I lamented on Beyond Chron that 2009 was the year change fell prey to backroom deals -- where the rich and powerful have undue influence. Never in my wildest dreams did I think my theory was so true. That Barack Obama - the community organizer from Chicago, the man who used to live three doors down from me in Hyde Park, the politician who endorsed single payer when he first ran for public office -- would go behind closed doors and kill the public option before we proved that we had the votes.

And the fact that none of us would know about it until nine months later is infuriating.

Paul Hogarth is the Managing Editor of Beyond Chron, San Francisco's Alternative Online Daily, where this piece was first published.

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« Reply #128 on: December 24, 2010, 07:21:57 PM »
this guys posted 200 posts on thanksgiving day alone,,,he was ALONE IN THE POLITICAL FORUM AT 200 POSTS FOR THAT DAY,,,HE AVERAGES ABOUT 2,000 POSTS/MONTH

Pathetically sad.


But true.  Dude needs a life.

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« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2010, 07:31:10 PM »

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« Reply #130 on: December 25, 2010, 05:59:26 AM »
333 kicking arses,,and taking names ha ha ha you will get owned

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« Reply #131 on: December 25, 2010, 08:01:42 AM »
Wake up andre and face the music already.

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Wow... everything I see about Obama lowers my opinion of the man... He's a fucking snake.. The man lies through his teeth, promises all this shit, but in reality its all about his agenda and his "plan" for America, I get the feeling he doesnt give a fuck about how the country fares, its just about railroading his plan through, and fuck everyone that stands in his way..

I get the feeling he feels that Americans shouldnt be allowed to to have a say in what our future is, and that he knows better than the people whats good for us... Idealists like that piss me the fuck off. They have their "plan for the future" and for some reason were not allowed to know what it is.

What the fuck happened to all this transparency in Washington he promised? Or is that just transparency as long as it suits his agenda?

Fucking Obama. "You (the people) dont know whats good for you, We (the politicians) know whats good for you, so were just going to lie to you to keep you quiet and do what we want to push OUR vision of YOUR future through, because we know whats best for you."


What a fucking asshole.

Fuck this shit! Lets take our country back from these fucking assholes!!

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Re: 3333.....OBAMA IS KICKING YOUR ASS!!!!!
« Reply #132 on: December 25, 2010, 09:34:19 AM »
Shockwave how dare you to disagree with the Messiah? You must be a racist then :(

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« Reply #133 on: December 25, 2010, 09:42:23 AM »

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« Reply #134 on: December 25, 2010, 12:31:59 PM »
Face it, youre as biased towards Obama as 333 is against.
Obama could take a shit on your porch and you would exlaim how awesome and great he was for doing it.  :-\
he has to much emotionally invested in obama as do many ppl to criticize him...

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« Reply #135 on: December 25, 2010, 12:39:39 PM »
he has to much emotionally invested in obama as do many ppl to criticize him...

Give me something to applaud him for and I will.  So far, all I see are daily acts of treason, incompetence, ineptness, graft, and bizarre policies that must have our enemies smiling and laughing out loud. 

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« Reply #136 on: December 25, 2010, 12:45:45 PM »
Give me something to applaud him for and I will.  So far, all I see are daily acts of treason, incompetence, ineptness, graft, and bizarre policies that must have our enemies smiling and laughing out loud. 
Pretty sure he was talking about Andre.
I pretty much agree with you, I was fairly on the fence with Obama, hes done nothing but show me how full of shit he is.

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« Reply #137 on: December 25, 2010, 02:03:51 PM »
Give me something to applaud him for and I will.  So far, all I see are daily acts of treason, incompetence, ineptness, graft, and bizarre policies that must have our enemies smiling and laughing out loud. 



how about the credit card bill???

taking out the somali pirates???

START treaty???

Does it really matter???...you are too  biased to admit when obama does something right

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« Reply #138 on: December 25, 2010, 02:14:56 PM »



how about the credit card bill???

taking out the somali pirates???
START treaty???

Does it really matter???...you are too  biased to admit when obama does something right

Please tell me you arent serious about that one? If that list is all you got, wow man, blind faith on you Obama supporters part.

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« Reply #139 on: December 25, 2010, 03:17:51 PM »
Please tell me you arent serious about that one? If that list is all you got, wow man, blind faith on you Obama supporters part.

dude..you forget that ALMOST ALL nations including countires like France, China, and Russia routinely PAY OFF the hijackers...Obama did not..he went afer them more forcefully than other nations

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« Reply #140 on: December 25, 2010, 09:18:46 PM »
dude..you forget that ALMOST ALL nations including countires like France, China, and Russia routinely PAY OFF the hijackers...Obama did not..he went afer them more forcefully than other nations

US suggests paying ransom to captors (Somali Pirates)
bdnews24 (Bangladesh) ^ | Fri, Dec 24th, 2010 8:15 pm BdST | Kamran Reza Chowdhury



Dhaka, Dec 24 (bdnews24.com)--


The US government has suggested that the government should negotiate with the Somali pirates by paying ransom for the release of 26 Bangladeshis on board the hijacked ship MV Jahan Moni.

The state department also told Dhaka that the Somali pirates would be interested in releasing the captives with comparatively less amount of money as it's a "lean season" for the captors.

Washington also revealed that "money was the sole objective" behind the hostage taking.

The state department made the suggestions as Bangladesh government sought US support for the release of the hostages.

On Dec 15, the state department's bureau of South and Central Asia gave the suggestion to Bangladesh mission in Washington.

First secretary M J H Jabed was present at the meeting, which was also attended by counter-terrorism adviser Erik Pye, senior naval adviser Captain Jeffrey D Frederick and counter-piracy officer William P Astillero.

bdnews24.com obtained a copy of the letter containing US suggestion, which was sent by the Bangladesh mission.

"At this monsoon time when the pirates pass through a lean phase, they are more eager for an early flow of money even if that is less than their expectation," said the letter.

"Bangladesh should take advantage of that and approach the right intermediary for settling the issue," it said.

"We sought opinion from the US government and they gave it. We are yet to decide about it," shipping minister Shajahan Khan told bdnews24.com on Friday.

He said the government would continue its efforts to secure the release of the captives.

"We support the efforts of the government of Bangladesh to secure the safe return of the crew of the hijacked vessel," US embassy spokesperson Patricia Hill told bdnews24.com on Friday.

Media reports suggest that the Somali pirates usually release the hostages in exchange for thousands of dollars as ransom.

Foreign minister Dipu Moni last week told journalists that no state could pay ransom in any case.

There are instances that the pirates killed hostages as the vessel owners did not pay ransom. In 2007, the pirates killed a Chinese national as the owners refused to pay the ransom, according to Wikipedia.

"The US officials dismissed any other motive than money which prompted the pirates to hijack the ship," said the letter.

"Experiences have shown that pirates generally behave well with their captives and they welcome 'negotiation' since harming the latter or annoying any state authority goes against their ultimate interests," it said.

The US officials confirmed that Bangladesh had no fault for the hijacking.

The US officials suggested Dhaka should seek advice from Delhi for the hostages' release as India faced similar situation in 2006.

Somali pirates hijacked the Bangladesh vessel MV Jahan Moni, with 26 Bangladeshis on board, on Dec 5.

The state department officials informed the government that at present 22 vessels were under the pirates' custody.



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« Reply #141 on: December 25, 2010, 10:01:07 PM »
US suggests paying ransom to captors (Somali Pirates)
bdnews24 (Bangladesh) ^ | Fri, Dec 24th, 2010 8:15 pm BdST | Kamran Reza Chowdhury



Dhaka, Dec 24 (bdnews24.com)--


The US government has suggested that the government should negotiate with the Somali pirates by paying ransom for the release of 26 Bangladeshis on board the hijacked ship MV Jahan Moni.

The state department also told Dhaka that the Somali pirates would be interested in releasing the captives with comparatively less amount of money as it's a "lean season" for the captors.

Washington also revealed that "money was the sole objective" behind the hostage taking.

The state department made the suggestions as Bangladesh government sought US support for the release of the hostages.

On Dec 15, the state department's bureau of South and Central Asia gave the suggestion to Bangladesh mission in Washington.

First secretary M J H Jabed was present at the meeting, which was also attended by counter-terrorism adviser Erik Pye, senior naval adviser Captain Jeffrey D Frederick and counter-piracy officer William P Astillero.

bdnews24.com obtained a copy of the letter containing US suggestion, which was sent by the Bangladesh mission.

"At this monsoon time when the pirates pass through a lean phase, they are more eager for an early flow of money even if that is less than their expectation," said the letter.

"Bangladesh should take advantage of that and approach the right intermediary for settling the issue," it said.

"We sought opinion from the US government and they gave it. We are yet to decide about it," shipping minister Shajahan Khan told bdnews24.com on Friday.

He said the government would continue its efforts to secure the release of the captives.

"We support the efforts of the government of Bangladesh to secure the safe return of the crew of the hijacked vessel," US embassy spokesperson Patricia Hill told bdnews24.com on Friday.

Media reports suggest that the Somali pirates usually release the hostages in exchange for thousands of dollars as ransom.

Foreign minister Dipu Moni last week told journalists that no state could pay ransom in any case.

There are instances that the pirates killed hostages as the vessel owners did not pay ransom. In 2007, the pirates killed a Chinese national as the owners refused to pay the ransom, according to Wikipedia.

"The US officials dismissed any other motive than money which prompted the pirates to hijack the ship," said the letter.

"Experiences have shown that pirates generally behave well with their captives and they welcome 'negotiation' since harming the latter or annoying any state authority goes against their ultimate interests," it said.

The US officials confirmed that Bangladesh had no fault for the hijacking.

The US officials suggested Dhaka should seek advice from Delhi for the hostages' release as India faced similar situation in 2006.

Somali pirates hijacked the Bangladesh vessel MV Jahan Moni, with 26 Bangladeshis on board, on Dec 5.

The state department officials informed the government that at present 22 vessels were under the pirates' custody.




and this proves what exactly????

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« Reply #142 on: December 26, 2010, 10:02:36 AM »



how about the credit card bill???

taking out the somali pirates???

START treaty???

Does it really matter???...you are too  biased to admit when obama does something right
Andre tell us a couple things that obama has done that you dont like...

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« Reply #143 on: December 26, 2010, 06:04:12 PM »
Andre tell us a couple things that obama has done that you dont like...

well I don't like that he didn't seem to work a little harder on the unemployment issue.....although I'm not exactly sure what he could have done....the market has to correct itself....I have to admit he seems awfully aloof from the American people..I expected that he would be more accessible...I think my problems with him are more style over substance....

He also needs to further explain and clarify his green jobs initiative....

 A lot of people hated his bailouts but they actually WORKED....thousands of jobs were saved and the bailouts were paid back WITH interest.......the American people made money on the bailouts....

I just think you guys are  too hard on Obama....and we as Americans are too hard on ALL of our presidents....I hated the way Bush was treated...  this is why I defend Obama..not due to any personal bias..but because we as Americans need to stop tearing down our presidents....its pointless..he represents all of us......this is my main problem with 3333 and why I started this thread....all he does is whine, bitch, and complain......he never offers any solutions.....and you guys don't realize that there is a lot of racism behind his obsessive criticism of Obama...he often tries to deny it but he can't help himself.....as his threads go longer, he becomes more and more offensive...especially against minorities...he and I actually live in the same town...we could walk to each other's house on a good day which is how close we live to each other..I actually would love to get together with him and talk politics....

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« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2011, 08:11:54 AM »
HEY ANDRE - HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SPIN THIS GEM?   


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Obama: Not Always a Fan of Upping Debt Ceiling
National Review ^ | January 3, 2011 | Katrina Trinko


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The Corner Obama: Not Always a Fan of Upping Debt Ceiling January 3, 2011 12:50 P.M. By Katrina Trinko

While President Obama’s economic advisor Austin Goolsbee argued Sunday that a refusal by the Senate to increase the government’s debt ceiling (currently $14.3 trillion) would be “catastrophic” and a sign of “insanity,” that’s not the position the president has held in the past.

Here are Obama’s thoughts on the debt limit in 2006, when he voted against increasing the ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.


In 2007 and in 2008, when the Senate voted to increase the limit by $850 billion and $800 billion respectively, Obama did not bother to vote. (He did vote for TARP, which increased the debt limit by $700 billion.)

Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) told Human Events in an interview released today that the decision about the debt ceiling “needs to be a big showdown” in the Senate.

“We are going to cut [spending] necessary to stay within the current levels, which is over $14 trillion,” said DeMint.


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« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2011, 03:31:37 PM »
HEY ANDRE - HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SPIN THIS GEM?   


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The Corner Obama: Not Always a Fan of Upping Debt Ceiling January 3, 2011 12:50 P.M. By Katrina Trinko

While President Obama’s economic advisor Austin Goolsbee argued Sunday that a refusal by the Senate to increase the government’s debt ceiling (currently $14.3 trillion) would be “catastrophic” and a sign of “insanity,” that’s not the position the president has held in the past.

Here are Obama’s thoughts on the debt limit in 2006, when he voted against increasing the ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.


In 2007 and in 2008, when the Senate voted to increase the limit by $850 billion and $800 billion respectively, Obama did not bother to vote. (He did vote for TARP, which increased the debt limit by $700 billion.)

Sen. Jim DeMint (R., S.C.) told Human Events in an interview released today that the decision about the debt ceiling “needs to be a big showdown” in the Senate.

“We are going to cut [spending] necessary to stay within the current levels, which is over $14 trillion,” said DeMint.



HA!!..you and I both know 3333, that you don't care about this matter......all you care about is whether Obama looks bad.....if he does raise the debt limit you will claim Obama is bankrupting the country...if he doesn't and government shuts down, you will blame him as well....saying he has destroyed the economy by shutting down government......he can't win in your eyes, nor do you want him to win.....which in reality makes you a traitor...anyone who wants our president to fail and the U.S. to fail by extension, is a traitor..and should be shot..you agree, 3333???

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Re: 3333.....OBAMA IS KICKING YOUR ASS!!!!!
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2011, 03:33:49 PM »
Ha ha ha -

Actually - i want the govt to shut down.   

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Unemployment benefits jump to 410,000
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The Labor Department says 410,000 people sought unemployment assistance last week, a jump of 25,000 from the previous week. The rise was much larger than economists had expected.


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« Reply #148 on: February 18, 2011, 10:12:57 AM »
I can't wait to see how Team Tampon spins this.   


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« Reply #149 on: May 17, 2011, 06:43:02 AM »
3333..Obama is kicking your ass!!!!....the more you scorn him, the more his legislative victories are piling up!!!

The one thing you gotta give Obama credit for is that he keeps his promises.....look at all his accomplishments and victories below.....he has gotten more done in two years than most presidents get done in eight....

Universal health care bill
Wall street financial reform bill
credit card reform bill
tax cut bill
Repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" bill
START treaty bill
Cap and Trade bill (although this is questionable as to whether this is a good bill)
 
Saved our auto industry from collapse thus saving thousands of jobs
Stabilized the banking industry saving it from collapse as well

I know you will say he bailed these industries out, but those companies are now stable and have paid back the government WITH INTEREST

WHAT MORE CAN HE DO TO GET HIS DUE????






Nearly 20 percent of new Obamacare waivers are gourmet restaurants, nightclubs, fancy hotels in Nancy Pelosi’s district
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller   12:07 AM 05/17/2011



Of the 204 new Obamacare waivers President Barack Obama’s administration approved in April, 38 are for fancy eateries, hip nightclubs and decadent hotels in House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s Northern California district.

That’s in addition to the 27 new waivers for health care or drug companies and the 31 new union waivers Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services approved.

Pelosi’s district secured almost 20 percent of the latest issuance of waivers nationwide, and the companies that won them didn’t have much in common with companies throughout the rest of the country that have received Obamacare waivers.

Other common waiver recipients were labor union chapters, large corporations, financial firms and local governments. But Pelosi’s district’s waivers are the first major examples of luxurious, gourmet restaurants and hotels getting a year-long pass from Obamacare.

For instance, Boboquivari’s restaurant in Pelosi’s district in San Francisco got a waiver from Obamacare. Boboquivari’s advertises $59 porterhouse steaks, $39 filet mignons and $35 crab dinners.

Then, there’s Café des Amis, which describes its eating experience as “a timeless Parisian style brasserie” which is “located on one of San Francisco’s premier shopping and strolling boulevards, Union Street,” according to the restaurant’s Web site.

“Bacchus Management Group, in partnership with Perry Butler, is bringing you that same warm, inviting feeling, with a distinctive San Francisco spin,” the Web site reads. Somehow, though, the San Francisco upper class eatery earned itself a waiver from Obamacare because it apparently cost them too much to meet the law’s first year requirements.

The reason the Obama administration says it has given out waivers is to exempt certain companies or policyholders from “annual limit requirements.” The applications for the waivers are “reviewed on a case by case basis by department officials who look at a series of factors including whether or not a premium increase is large or if a significant number of enrollees would lose access to their current plan because the coverage would not be offered in the absence of a waiver.” The waivers don’t allow a company to permanently refrain from implementing Obamacare’s stipulations, but companies can reapply for waivers annually through 2014.

Café Mason, a diner near San Francisco’s Union Square, got a waiver too. When The Daily Caller asked the manager about the waiver and how the president’s new sweeping federal health care law was affecting his restaurant, he hung up the phone. The Franciscan Crab restaurant on Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco got a waiver. Its menu features entrees ranging from about $15 to $60. The Franciscan’s general manager didn’t return TheDC’s requests for comment.

Four-star hotel Campton Place got one too, as did Hotel Nikko San Francisco, which describes itself as “four-diamond luxury in the heart of the city.” Tru Spa, which Allure Magazine rated the “best day spa in San Francisco,” received an Obamacare waiver as well.

Before hanging up on TheDC, Tru Spa’s owner said new government health care regulations, both the federal-level Obamacare and new local laws in Northern California, have “devastated” the business. “It’s been bad for us,” he said, without divulging his name, referring to the new health care restrictions.

But, the spa owner wouldn’t talk about it or the reason his company sought a waiver. He hung up after saying, “I’ve got clients on the other line, good-bye.”

San Francisco Honda, which has two of its three locations in Pelosi’s district, and San Francisco’s Royal Motors Group both got waivers too. Neither called TheDC back.

Blue & Gold Fleet, which describes itself as “the Bay Area’s premier provider of Bay Cruise, Ferry Service and Motorcoach Tours,” got an Obamacare waiver approved in April. The tour service company didn’t return TheDC’s requests for comment.

Nightclub Infusion Lounge got an Obamacare waiver approved in April too. Infusion Lounge calls itself a “sophisticated nightlife destination” with “Asian inspired sub-rosa lounge, fashioned by Hong Kong’s hottest designer, Kinney Chan,” which makes for a “true ultra lounge catering to both dancing hipsters and young professionals looking to relax in style.” Infusion Lounge’s owners didn’t return TheDC’s requests for comment either.

Simco Restaurants and several other affiliated chains based in the area got waivers for their businesses as well. For example, Gordon Yoshida, the manager of memorabilia store Only in San Francisco, told TheDC that Sandra Fletcher of Simco walked him through the process of getting an Obamacare waiver. Fletcher did not return TheDC’s requests for comment.

Pelosi’s office did not respond to TheDC’s requests for comment either.



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