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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #425 on: January 11, 2011, 09:34:03 PM »
hey, I tried my best to tell you what the guy was saying and how extremely nuts it is.
LOL i never said what the guy saying wasnt nuts, again my point was to show that he was trying to organize it in a specific format...

in a logical philosophical argument, you can say crazy ass things and make a valid philosphical argument...

for all we know this is what this moron was trying to do...

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« Reply #426 on: January 11, 2011, 09:35:34 PM »
also, quoting the original post that you challenged:

yes, he actually said astronauts are faked via green sceen:

'If the crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen then they are able to fake the mission.
The crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen.
Therefore, they are able to fake the mission.

LOL bro...do you not know the moon landing ct?

they think they moon landing was done in a hollywood set...

alot of ct'ers think that humans have never been to the moon...

again toxic does here citing the van allen ray belt or something or other...

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #427 on: January 11, 2011, 09:41:36 PM »
LOL bro...do you not know the moon landing ct?

they think they moon landing was done in a hollywood set...

alot of ct'ers think that humans have never been to the moon...

again toxic does here citing the van allen ray belt or something or other...
we already addressed the moon landing CT.  This has nothing to do with the moon landing CT, even they all believe we put people in orbit..  I made it quite clear that this was about Jared's belief that the shuttles are launched unmanned because he believes the shuttle cannot sustain a livable space for humans in orbit.  I posted all the info showing that.

Hey, I made all this clear.  Are you trying to back out of the bet?

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #428 on: January 11, 2011, 09:43:44 PM »
lets see that new sig Tony ;D

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« Reply #429 on: January 11, 2011, 09:45:19 PM »
we already addressed the moon landind CT.  This has nothing to do with the moon landing CT, even they all believe we put people in orbit..  I made it quite clear that this was about Jared's belief that the shuttles are launched unmanned because he believes the shuttle cannot sustain a livable space for humans in orbit.  I posted all the info showing that.

Hey, I made all this clear.  Are you trying to back out of the bet?
ok so why bring the green screen one up?

LOL which one im I trying to prove others believe? specifically? i already proved that there are ppl who believe that humans cant survive in orbit...

dont impune my word sir... ;D

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #430 on: January 11, 2011, 09:46:09 PM »
couldn't find one example huh :D  yea I couldn't either.  So I guess you just have faith that there are others that think space shuttles are launched empty.  No proof whatsoever.  Tony, sometimes you crack me up ;D

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« Reply #431 on: January 11, 2011, 09:50:53 PM »

lol ok just to be clear im proving that other believe that space shuttles are launched empty?


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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #432 on: January 11, 2011, 09:51:49 PM »
ok so why bring the green screen one up?

LOL which one im I trying to prove others believe? specifically? i already proved that there are ppl who believe that humans cant survive in orbit...

dont impune my word sir... ;D

i dont welch on my bets
why bring the green screen up?  duh...

1. He thinks space shuttle cannot support life in orbit
2. He that when we see a shuttle crew in orbit it's faked via green screen.
3. He thinks all shuttles are launched unmanned.

All this is clear in what he said if you read the quotes I posted and the quotes I emplored you to read entirely.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #433 on: January 11, 2011, 09:53:57 PM »
lol ok just to be clear im proving that other believe that space shuttles are launched empty?


You're trying to prove that there is someone else who believes that the space shuttle cannot support life in orbit and that all shuttle missions are launched unmanned and that when we see the space shuttle crew it is faked via green screen.  I made that clear as hell imo...  I posted all this info from him a few times.

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« Reply #434 on: January 11, 2011, 09:58:55 PM »
to give you an example, there are some people that think we launch shuttles unmanned to a base on the moon.  That is not the same as thinking the shuttle cannot support life in orbit at all.  Those people just believe we got something going on with a base on the moon, not that man can't survive in orbit.

AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNEW THIS WAS ABOUT BELIEVING THE SHUTTLE WAS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT LIFE IN ORBIT.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #435 on: January 11, 2011, 10:17:14 PM »
You're trying to prove that there is someone else who believes that the space shuttle cannot support life in orbit and that all shuttle missions are launched unmanned and that when we see the space shuttle crew it is faked via green screen.  I made that clear as hell imo...  I posted all this info from him a few times.
lol i do not believe you made that clear...

I dont think the green screen is a big deal what he is saying is that the missions are faked the modality isnt that big of a deal imho...


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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #436 on: January 11, 2011, 10:18:21 PM »
to give you an example, there are some people that think we launch shuttles unmanned to a base on the moon.  That is not the same as thinking the shuttle cannot support life in orbit at all.  Those people just believe we got something going on with a base on the moon, not that man can't survive in orbit.

AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNEW THIS WAS ABOUT BELIEVING THE SHUTTLE WAS NOT ABLE TO SUPPORT LIFE IN ORBIT.

I'll see you tomorrow with your new sig ;D
and ive shown that there are ppl out there that believe that life cannot be supported in orbit...

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« Reply #437 on: January 11, 2011, 10:21:11 PM »
lol i do not believe you made that clear...

I dont think the green screen is a big deal what he is saying is that the missions are faked the modality isnt that big of a deal imho...


yes it is, he clearly makes an argument that the shuttle cannot support life.  You're right, the green screen is not important past that.  It's just a side note explaining how we see astronauts in orbit.  He thinks they are green screened in.  You don't have to show another person who says that.  Just show me another person who thinks that shuttles are unmanned BECAUSE the shuttle cannot support life in orbit.  THAT PART IS CLEAR AS HELL...

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« Reply #438 on: January 11, 2011, 10:24:28 PM »
and ive shown that there are ppl out there that believe that life cannot be supported in orbit...
NO, you showed that there are people that believe there are problems with LONG TERM COLONIZATION in orbit.  That's not even a CT dude, that's a fact that they've been working on for decades.  As it is now, if you tried to live life in orbit and raise a family, your ass is grass and your kids are going to come out with 8 legs lol...

Jared doesn't even believe a crew can survive any length of time in orbit, that's why shuttles are unmanned and astronauts are faked according to him..

You're going to worm out of this bet huh?  :-\

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #439 on: January 12, 2011, 05:50:02 AM »
NO, you showed that there are people that believe there are problems with LONG TERM COLONIZATION in orbit.  That's not even a CT dude, that's a fact that they've been working on for decades.  As it is now, if you tried to live life in orbit and raise a family, your ass is grass and your kids are going to come out with 8 legs lol...

Jared doesn't even believe a crew can survive any length of time in orbit, that's why shuttles are unmanned and astronauts are faked according to him..

You're going to worm out of this bet huh?  :-\
im not worming out, just trying to clarify...

he didnt specify for what length of time did he?

only that manned missions are fake b/c we cant survive in orbit correct?

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
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Postings of a Troubled Mind
Accused Shooter Wrote on Gaming Site of His Job Woes, Rejection by Women
By ALEXANDRA BERZON, JOHN R. EMSHWILLER And ROBERT A. GUTH

 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791904576075851892478080.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories#printMode




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Last May 9, at two in the morning, Jared Lee Loughner typed a question to a group of about 50 online gamers located around the world: "Does anyone have aggression 24/7?"

He was back at his keyboard the following night. "If you went to prison right now...What would you be thinking?" he asked.

 
Online postings last year by accused gunman Jared Lee Loughner.

A trove of 131 online-forum postings written between April and June 2010, which were viewed by The Wall Street Journal, provides insight into Mr. Loughner's mind-set in the year leading up to Saturday's shootings in Tucson, Ariz. He stands accused of killing six people, gravely wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D., Ariz.) and injuring 13 others.

The online postings paint a picture of a disturbed young man trying to impress his peers and struggling to find a purpose to his life. They range from prosaic chatter about weight lifting to nonsensical philosophical ramblings that left some of the gamers who read them wondering whether he was using drugs or had a mental disability.

On Tuesday, after a search of the Loughners' home, federal investigators found a letter from Rep. Giffords's office in which Mr. Loughner had scribbled the words "Die Cops" and "Die Bitch," said Capt. Chris Nanos of the Pima County Sheriff's Department. Capt. Nanos, who was briefed on the findings, said Mr. Loughner had also referenced an assassination in handwritten notes on the letter.

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..The letter, dated 2007, was a form document sent by the staff of Rep. Giffords to thank Mr. Loughner for attending one of her events.

Capt. Nanos confirmed that Tucson local authorities had visited the Loughners' house in the past for minor incidents unrelated to the suspect, except for once: Around 2006 or 2007, the suspect called the authorities to report a case of identity theft. "Someone had used his name on MySpace or Facebook," Capt. Nanos said.

The online-forum messages exhibit a growing frustration that, at 22 years of age, Mr. Loughner couldn't land a minimum-wage job and was spurned by women. By May 15, he wrote, he hadn't had a paycheck in six months. A month later, he wrote that he had submitted 65 applications, yet "no interview."

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.At times, Mr. Loughner seemed to be reaching out to fellow gamers for help and advice, albeit in a disturbing way. Sometimes they offered it, such as giving him pointers about job hunting. At other times, his postings seemed so outrageous that the gamers mocked or ignored him.

The online postings, written using pseudonyms, were shared with the Journal by a person who had access to them. Two fellow gamers who participated in the online forums say the author was the accused gunman, and some of the postings discuss incidents from Mr. Loughner's life that others have corroborated.

Judy Clarke and Mark Fleming, two defense lawyers assigned to represent Mr. Loughner, didn't respond to phone messages left at their San Diego offices. Federal authorities have said they have seized Mr. Loughner's computer and are trying to examine all of the online places where he spent time. A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment.

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Jared Loughner's family made their first public comments Tuesday.
.Mr. Loughner's family on Tuesday made its first comments since the shootings. In a written statement, Randy and Amy Loughner said they couldn't understand what motivated their son and expressed condolences for the victims and their families. "There are no words that can possibly express how we feel," they said. "We are so very sorry for their loss."

Mr. Loughner had a history of asking provocative questions. In early high school, he asked unusual questions that were innocent, such as one time when he asked a friend about the purpose of human toes, recalls Joseph Headlee, a former high-school classmate.

His recent online postings are more disturbing. On April 24, he asked: "Would you hit a Handy Cap Child/ Adult?" On May 20 at 12:03 a.m., he remarked: "I bet your hungry....Because i know how to cut a body open and eat you for more then a week. ;-)"

The postings exhibit fixations on grammar, the education system, government and currency, which some friends and acquaintances have described separately in the days since the attack. They are peppered with displays of misogyny.

Mr. Loughner's posts don't mention Rep. Giffords, who is believed to have been the target of the attack, nor do they give any indication that Mr. Loughner was plotting a shooting. But several mention mental breakdowns and violent thoughts. One post alluded to the Fifth Amendment, which aims to protect citizens against the government abusing its power in legal proceedings.

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.Mr. Loughner posted the messages in a private forum associated with the online game Earth Empires. On Tuesday, the site's administrator in a public forum admonished members for sharing information with the media.

In a separate forum, the administrator wrote that he would cooperate with federal authorities if asked. "I want this information to get to the right hands, but I want to make sure it's done through the proper legal means," he wrote.

Gaming appears to have been an important part of Mr. Loughner's life. In the 7th grade, he and a friend, Alex Montanaro, began playing the multiplayer online games Starcraft and Diablo, which featured complex virtual worlds where players assume roles and play against other people around the globe, Mr. Montanaro said in emails over the weekend and Monday.

Around the 9th grade, recalls Mr. Montanaro, Mr. Loughner abandoned the old games and started playing Earth: 2025, now called Earth Empires, a text-based game in which players assume the form of a country and develop its economy. Players form clans and battle other clans.

The game includes social networks built around the clan alliances—private online forums in which players conversed. In those forums at that time, Mr. Loughner often spouted conspiracy theories and got into heated debates with others, according to a forum participant who has been reading Mr. Loughner's posts for years. Mr. Loughner originally played under the pseudonyms Cries and Cry. At various times he also used the aliases Heroin, XTC and Erad, according to two people familiar with the matter, and played for various clans.

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A high-school classmate shows reporters his yearbook.
.Around 10th grade, Mr. Loughner began acting more strangely and separating from his friends, according to Mr. Montanaro. Mr. Loughner took a break from the gaming world in 2008 but resumed a year later, says Mr. Montanaro. Mr. Loughner joined an online alliance called SancTuarY/Collab. He wrote under the pseudonym Dare. After last June, he stopped playing, says the games administrator.

Mr. Loughner seemed consumed with the outlet the private-posting world provided, says Mr. Montanaro, who was also part of SancT/Collab. Compared with the debates he had engaged in as a young teen, his postings were often nonsensical, say people who knew him in both settings. Mr. Montanaro described them as "weird poems coupled with 'logic' statements."

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..Even in a setting that includes the raw and often raunchy thoughts of young men, Mr. Loughner's postings were startling. They show an obsession with language, a hatred of the educational system and aggression—all of which later became themes of videos posted by Mr. Loughner on YouTube in the months before the shooting. In the forum posts, Mr. Loughner never mentions any political views explicitly, nor does he name any political figures.

On April 24, Mr. Loughner titled a new online thread: "Would you hit a Handy Cap Child/ Adult?" He wrote: "This is a very interesting question….There are mental retarded children. They're possessing teachers that are typing for money. This will never stop….The drug addicts need to be weeded out to be more intelligent. The Principle of this is that them c— educators need to stop being pigs."

Later that day, he posted a rant titled "Why Rape," which said women in college enjoyed being raped. "There are Rape victims that are under the influence of a substance. The drinking is leading them to rape. The loneliness will bring you to depression. Being alone for a very long time will inevitably lead you to rape."

Some participants in the forum suggested that he must be on drugs, while others said he may be mentally impaired. One forum participant who has read his postings says it was only in retrospect, after the shootings, that he realized that Mr. Loughner appeared mentally unstable in his messages.

On April 28, Mr. Loughner wrote: "How many stars are in the universe?" Other posters responded with mathematical calculations. Later in the thread, Mr. Loughner shifted gears: "What do Chocolate cookies taste like?"

On May 2, Mr. Loughner wrote: "This forum made me feel better....," followed by the emoticon for a smiling face.

.The same day, he started a thread called "Weight Lifting," and asked whether anyone else lifted. He described himself as 5 feet 10 inches tall and 155 pounds, and said he could do 65 push-ups, bench press 165 pounds, and do 25 pull-ups and 100 sit-ups, "(thanks to the ab machine)." He said he could run a mile in between 6 minutes, 30 seconds, and 6 minutes, 50 seconds. "I'm flexible" after "years of stretches," he wrote. "Diet is key."

On May 14, at 10:50 p.m., Mr. Loughner begins an online thread he called, "How many applications....is a lot?" It contained what appears to be a list of 21 retail outlets he had applied to or failed to get a job at, including Crate & Barrel, Wendy's and Domino's Pizza.

Some posters expressed surprise. One noted he hasn't applied for that many jobs in his life.

Mr. Loughner had been arrested in Pima County in 2007 and charged with possession of drugs and drug paraphernalia, according to court records. His case was dismissed. In October 2008, he was arrested for scrawling graffiti on a street sign. He paid restitution and attended a diversion program, a court administrator said.

In the online forum, Mr. Loughner wrote that he was having trouble landing a job because of his work history and criminal record. He explained that he had had five "terminations," listing Peter Piper Pizza, "Chineese" fast food, Red Robin, Quiznos and Eddie Bauer. He wrote that the list of firings "will be updated." He wrote: "I'm thinking....2 misdemeanors hurt. Don't do Graffiti."

He hinted at a different problem at the Red Robin. "I had to walk out of red robin," he wrote. "Terrible situation. Mental breakdown." Mr. Montanaro, who also worked at the restaurant, says Mr. Loughner "just hated his job" and one night said "he couldn't take it anymore" and quit.

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..One poster joked that the group can give him a leadership role on the video game. Mr. Loughner responded: "...Ha.....ha....ha.....A nd waste more time of my life...this is like my social life...I know everything is made fun of.."

One gamer advised him that in order to get a job, he needed to provide potential employers such things as references and a list of jobs he had held previously. Mr. Loughner replied in a profanity-laced message that he knew that. "CANT HOLD TERMINATION AGAINST FUTURE EMPLOYEE !" He repeated that line 117 times.

Anger increasingly permeated his postings.

On May 5, he started a thread titled "Talk, Talk, Talking about Rejection." He solicited stories of rejection by the opposite sex. The next day he wrote, "Its funny...when..they say lets go on a date about 3 times..and they dont....go..." Three days later, he wrote, "Its funny when your 60 wondering......what happen at 21."

On May 9 at 2:00 a.m., he asked: "Does anyone have aggression 24/7?" By noon, when others suggested he try smoking marijuana, he said: "No weed. No drugs. It's not like I can't see my brain."

The following night, he titled a thread: "If you went to prison right now.....What would you be thinking?" He added, "Just curious?" After others responded that they would do everything they could to avoid going to prison, including commit suicide, Mr. Loughner said, "Let's say you are in the cell for life...For nothing." A few minutes later he added, "21...going to college...no workplace."

In his online postings, he comments on problems he had at Pima Community College, which have been reported previously. His math instructor, Ben McGahee, said recently that Mr. Loughner's off-topic outbursts during class scared students and disrupted the class. Mr. Loughner was suspended from the school and withdrew last October.

On June 3 at 12:14 a.m. Mr. Loughner described one confrontation with Mr. McGahee, writing to his fellow gamers that he had asked the teacher: "Are you just getting a pay check for brainwashing?" as well as questioning if the class was a "scam" and asking, "can you tell me how to Deny math?" He wrote that the teacher told him it was a stupid question and he should "GET OUT OF MY CLASS!"

The next day, after he had to see a school counselor, he wrote: "Told her about brainwashing a child and how that can change the view of mathematics."

Since the news of Mr. Loughner's alleged role in the shootings broke, members in the public forums of Earth Empires expressed shock that one of their own would take such action, and worried that people would point fingers at the game or the community.

"This is an immeasurable tragedy, and it pains me that someone from our close-knit community could be involved in such a heinous act," the administrator wrote on Sunday. Later that day he wrote, "I reviewed some of the posts he made and they're....disturbing."

One member wrote, "I can't stand that I know him."

—James Oberman contributed to this article.

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #441 on: January 12, 2011, 10:14:13 AM »
im not worming out, just trying to clarify...

he didnt specify for what length of time did he?

only that manned missions are fake b/c we cant survive in orbit correct?
well according to him no length of time.  He doesn't believe the shuttle is able to maintain a livable space.  He later goes on to suggest that even if it could we wouldn't risk putting people in space because of and I quote, "space debris"  So he believes all shuttles are launched unmanned.

Nevermind on the bet, we could be playing "just trying to clarify" for weeks ::)

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« Reply #442 on: January 12, 2011, 11:54:54 AM »
well according to him no length of time.  He doesn't believe the shuttle is able to maintain a livable space.  He later goes on to suggest that even if it could we wouldn't risk putting people in space because of and I quote, "space debris"  So he believes all shuttles are launched unmanned.

Nevermind on the bet, we could be playing "just trying to clarify" for weeks ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

The inner Van Allen Belt extends from an altitude of 100–10,000 km [7] (0.01 to 1.5 Earth radii) above the Earth's surface,

minimum sub-orbital spaceflight altitude abovethe Earth's surface 100 km

Low Earth orbit altitude above the Earth's surface 200 to 2,000 km


that means at even low earth orbit youre in the van allen ray belt....

so those that believe in the van allen ray belt also believe that you cannot survive in orbit

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #443 on: January 12, 2011, 12:12:19 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

The inner Van Allen Belt extends from an altitude of 100–10,000 km [7] (0.01 to 1.5 Earth radii) above the Earth's surface,

minimum sub-orbital spaceflight altitude abovethe Earth's surface 100 km

Low Earth orbit altitude above the Earth's surface 200 to 2,000 km


that means at even low earth orbit youre in the van allen ray belt....

so those that believe in the van allen ray belt also believe that you cannot survive in orbit
::) Just because you say so right?  god, you might as well be using Jared's logic to make your case.  

The only thing I've heard CTrs say about the Van Allen Belt is that they don't think humans can survive going through the belts, that includes the outer and inner twice.  I've never seen any of them ever say that a shuttle in orbit would fry everyone on board and therefor all shuttles are launched unmanned and astronauts don't even go into orbit.  Never seen it and I'm not going to sit here and watch you try to custom fit something to win the bet.  It's over.  Forget about the bet dude.

Hell, I knew fully about the theory Moon hoax believers thought of the van allen belts.  I've researched everything on the moon landing hoax CT.  If I knew about that before and thought that it applied to this bet, why the hell did I take the bet?  LOL, that would be about as dumb as me betting somone I can get a tighter grouping on a target and instead walking up to the firing line and shooting myself in the face haha...

Proof I was already aware of what moon hoax believers thought:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=301074.msg4324048#msg4324048

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #444 on: January 12, 2011, 12:19:54 PM »



Sarah Palins Facebook post in March last year - three days after the map was published - clarifying its message for anyone left in doubt.

"The crossfire is intense, so penetrate through enemy territory by bombing through the press, and use your strong weapons - your Big Guns  - to drive to the hole," Ms Palin wrote.

"Shoot with accuracy; aim high and remember it takes blood, sweat and tears to win."

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Palin is done. Period.



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The Democrats weren't done after coming up with this thrash in 2004:

We took screenshots in case Markos tries to hurriedly scrub his site if incriminating posts like he did yesterday (we have this saved page, too):



Also check out Kos’s “target” list (on which Giffords was listed). If we’re going to play the asinine game of metaphorical maps, we can go tit-for-tat all day.

Also check out the Democrat Leadership Committee target list, again, on which Giffords was listed.


So much for Palin being the only one with "targets" on her maps.



This online article was back in March of 2010. Showing how stupid Democrats were for criticizing Palin when they themselves did the following back in 2004:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647


Democratic Leadership Committe TARGET list:



Each one of those red targets represents a “Targeted Republican” like this one:


There’s even a helpful legend that makes it clear that’s precisely what the little red targets represent:




TARGETING strategy? BEHIND ENEMY LINES?? What the hell?

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #445 on: January 12, 2011, 12:27:10 PM »
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« Reply #446 on: January 12, 2011, 12:37:42 PM »
::) Just because you say so right?  god, you might as well be using Jared's logic to make your case.  

The only thing I've heard CTrs say about the Van Allen Belt is that they don't think humans can survive going through the belts, that includes the outer and inner twice.  I've never seen any of them ever say that a shuttle in orbit would fry everyone on board and therefor all shuttles are launched unmanned and astronauts don't even go into orbit.  Never seen it and I'm not going to sit here and watch you try to custom fit something to win the bet.  It's over.  Forget about the bet dude.

Hell, I knew fully about the theory Moon hoax believers thought of the van allen belts.  I've researched everything on the moon landing hoax CT.  If I knew about that before and thought that it applied to this bet, why the hell did I take the bet?  LOL, that would be about as dumb as me betting somone I can get a tighter grouping on a target and instead walking up to the firing line and shooting myself in the face haha...

Proof I was already aware of what moon hoax believers thought:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=301074.msg4324048#msg4324048
from what i understand about the van allen belts its the radiation that stops ppl from going through without dying...so orbiting within the van allen ray belt you think would be possible for someone who thinks that?

i tell you what we will ask toxic avenger as he is a ct nut and i have heard him talk about the van allen ray belts numerous times...if he thinks you can survive in orbit while in the van allen ray belt ill concede...

if not you concede

deal?

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #447 on: January 12, 2011, 12:45:58 PM »
The Democrats weren't done after coming up with this thrash in 2004:

TARGETING strategy? BEHIND ENEMY LINES?? What the hell?

Sorry, but according to 240, crosshairs are much worse than bullseyes.  ::)

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #448 on: January 12, 2011, 12:55:28 PM »
from what i understand about the van allen belts its the radiation that stops ppl from going through without dying...so orbiting within the van allen ray belt you think would be possible for someone who thinks that?

i tell you what we will ask toxic avenger as he is a ct nut and i have heard him talk about the van allen ray belts numerous times...if he thinks you can survive in orbit while in the van allen ray belt ill concede...

if not you concede

deal?
fine, you lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's Toxic posting a video about Buzz Aldrin seeing a UFO
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=113822.0

Toxic talking about the issue being with astronauts one they're past the belts:
"Now the equiptment NASA used ..for example the space suits..upon contacting the manufacturer aren't even adequate enough to protect against radiation in cheronybl ...nor ws the space capsule thick enough to protect against radiation right outside the protective magnetic field (van allen belt ..google it)..i mean..the astronauts shoulda gotton sick at least.."

"we went to the moon long long before we officially went ...the DOD has a shuttle..."--toxicavenger

Lastly, Toxic has posted several "UFO Videos" taken by Nasa astronauts in space.  Why would he post those vids if he didn't believe they were there to film them lol....

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Re: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Shot at Grocery Store Event
« Reply #449 on: January 12, 2011, 01:46:18 PM »
I think we did land on the moon...ws it buzz and niel?...dont think so...it makes more sense that it ws a military operation...BEFORE
theory :put a missile on the moon and fire it and it cant be tracked by the atmpsohere till its only 5ish miles away...too late to respond!..thats just a theory...

however NASAs first trip "around the moon" when the astronauts returned after circling the dark side of the moon..the first thing they said ws " be advised Houston, THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS" google those words...something is up...check this short video below taken from the longer video " Secret space" available on video.google..secret space goes into how the landings might have been faked






the object seen at the start is glowing IN SPACE man...meteors glow because they encounter friction when entering the atmosphere...PLUS  IT CHANGES DIRECTION..EXPLAIN..and if you say another smaller meteor happened to hit it just then...it should give off a burst of light...some of the energy should be changed to light energy! here is the vid

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if this interests you also video.google " the greatest story ever denied"