Tucson shooting victim blames Sarah Palin, Boehner, Glenn Beck, Sharron Angle

[Straw Man]

Don't know, maybe the same person who shot out Eric Cantors' HQ windows.   

wasn't that proven to have nothing to do with Cantor?

[Soul Crusher]

wasn't that proven to have nothing to do with Cantor?

According to the standards of the left now, nothing is ever disproven.   Shit - Palins' Dad might be responsible too sincehe handled the rifle in one of her episodes.       

[Soul Crusher]

Straw - do you think Jodi Foster is to blame for Hinkley shooting Reagan?   

[Straw Man]

According to the standards of the left now, nothing is ever disproven.   Shit - Palins' Dad might be responsible too sincehe handled the rifle in one of her episodes.       

you mean the standards you've imagined and then assigned to the "left"?

As usual you're completely off the deep end

you're convinced that everyone is blaming Palin even when you can't show one person who has done so and you've been shown people who have explicity said she is not responsible

your opinion is immune to evidence

[Soul Crusher]

you mean the standards you've imagined and then assigned to the "left"?

As usual you're completely off the deep end

you're convinced that everyone is blaming Palin even when you can't show one person who has done so and you've been shown people who have explicity said she is not responsible

your opinion is immune to evidence

Ha ha ha ha -   are you freaking joking?   

[tonymctones]

Ha ha ha ha -   are you freaking joking?   

i bet straw still thinks that nobody has blamed palin for this...

yet another the post office is just fine moment from strawman

[Soul Crusher]

i bet straw still thinks that nobody has blamed palin for this...

yet another the post office is just fine moment from strawman

Did you know GW was most likely a socialist and lib as we define the term today? 

[Straw Man]

Ha ha ha ha -   are you freaking joking?   

you've provided none

I've asked you for specific quotes and you haven't produced one

[Kazan]

how would I be able to notice what you "bet" is true about either person?  

whether they've used a gun or not is totally irrelevent.  They should be aware that, as political spokepeople or candidate,  these kind of comments are completely inappropriate as political rhetoric (IMO).   The obvious message is if you can't get your way from voting then you should consider violence as a next step.

these are the kind of comment you'd expect to see on GB.com but not from people who are running for office, polictical consultants, commentators in the media, etc..

Why is it irrelevant?
Hate to break the news to you but politicians are people just like anyone else, they are nothing special. Maybe if the public stopped treating them like they are anything other than PUBLIC SERVANTS we wouldn't have alot of the problems we do.

[Straw Man]

Why is it irrelevant?
Hate to break the news to you but politicians are people just like anyone else, they are nothing special. Maybe if the public stopped treating them like they are anything other than PUBLIC SERVANTS we wouldn't have alot of the problems we do.

why would it be relevent whether they've seen a gun or not

can't see how that would make any difference

their comments that 2nd ammendment remedies or bullets over ballots gain "legitimacy" if depending on the source

If 333 said it no one would give a shit (other than to give him shit on this board about it)

If Obama or Palin or Angle etc. says it then some dipshits might infer that's it a legitimate action to take because they see a candidate or spokesperson making the comment

[Straw Man]

Straw - do you think Jodi Foster is to blame for Hinkley shooting Reagan?   

she might be if she put a target over his picture or said that 2nd ammendment remedies should be used against him

I'm not aware she did either of those things

[Soul Crusher]

why would it be relevent whether they've seen a gun or not

can't see how that would make any difference

their comments that 2nd ammendment remedies or bullets over ballots gain "legitimacy" if depending on the source

If 333 said it no one would give a shit (other than to give him shit on this board about it)

If Obama or Palin or Angle etc. says it then some dipshits might infer that's it a legitimate action to take because they see a candidate or spokesperson making the comment

and what if this guy was motivated by a movie like taxi Driver?   

[Kazan]

why would it be relevent whether they've seen a gun or not

can't see how that would make any difference

their comments that 2nd ammendment remedies or bullets over ballots gain "legitimacy" if depending on the source

If 333 said it no one would give a shit (other than to give him shit on this board about it)

If Obama or Palin or Angle etc. says it then some dipshits might infer that's it a legitimate action to take because they see a candidate or spokesperson making the comment

Most people that actually shoot and own guns don't say stupid shit like that, but that is because they have a respect for the weapon, that is why it is relevant

Again, politicians are public servants, why is that hey are suddenly hoisted on a pedestal, as if they are more important than everyone else? Seems to me they have made themselves targets by portraying themselves as something more than they are.

[Straw Man]

and what if this guy was motivated by a movie like taxi Driver?   

why do you keep asking about things that have no relevence to the topic

I've already told you many times that the only person to blame is the shooter, that he's crazy (as is everyone who goes on a shooting rampage) and that Palin is not to blame for his actions

how much more clear can I make that for you?

[Straw Man]

Most people that actually shoot and own guns don't say stupid shit like that, but that is because they have a respect for the weapon, that is why it is relevant

Again, politicians are public servants, why is that hey are suddenly hoisted on a pedestal, as if they are more important than everyone else? Seems to me they have made themselves targets by portraying themselves as something more than they are.

so at least you and I agree that those are stupid statements

people in the media (politicians, candidates, spokepeople and pundits) should be aware that they are seen (for better or worse) as some kind of authority figures and they should be more careful with their choice of words.

That's it

nothing more complicated than that

Don't imply or suggest violence is an appropriate response

Is that unreasonable?

[Kazan]

so at least you and I agree that those are stupid statements

people in the media (politicians, candidates, spokepeople and pundits) should be aware that they are seen (for better or worse) as some kind of authority figures and they should be more careful with their choice of words.

That's it

nothing more complicated than that

Don't imply or suggest violence is an appropriate response

Is that unreasonable?

Most of the time violence isn't an appropriate response.

That in itself is the problem, I guess I'm in the minority, I don't consider reports or politicians authority figures. One are talking heads and the other works for me, the tax payer.

[Straw Man]

you don't have to be as you're not crazy and not likely to be influenced by something Glen Beck or Sharon Angle, or someone else says.

But the fact is there are nuts out there who take that kind of stuff seriously (again, not saying that's the case with Loughner).

If Angle is going to talk about 2nd ammendment remedies then she should stop being coy and just say that her opponent should be murdered if she loses.    No one would think that's appropriate.

There is no place in our modern political discource for veiled comments about violence.   

[Soul Crusher]

you don't have to be as you're not crazy and not likely to be influenced by something Glen Beck or Sharon Angle, or someone else says.

But the fact is there are nuts out there who take that kind of stuff seriously (again, not saying that's the case with Loughner).

If Angle is going to talk about 2nd ammendment remedies then she should stop being coy and just say that her opponent should be murdered if she loses.    No one would think that's appropriate.

There is no place in our modern political discource for veiled comments about violence.   

Do you feel the same way about Thomas Jefferson? 

[Jadeveon Clowney]

This guy is confusing correlation with causation.

Sarah Palin talks a lot about guns.

Someone uses a gun.

Does not mean that Sarah Palin cause someone to use a gun.

I don't care for Palin, but it is kind of annoying to see people be irrational.

Although, it wouldn't hurt for Palin and the res to tone down the gun rhetoric because I'm sure they have some crazy fans as well.  

I guess it's arguable that in a country in which guns are considered by some an important part of the checks and balances it's not surprosing to see someone use a gun as a political expressoins, so maybe in that sense she has some limited responsibility,

[240 is Back]

damn... the right sounds like a bunch of whiny fcking bitches at this point.

man up fellahs.  the left is playing dirty tricks, we know that.  but instead of taking the high road (like obama's speech actually did) - it's a week of nonstop whining and moaning.

no wonder obama is gonna win in 2012.  you'll run a victim, and while people sympathize with the victim, they sure don't follow them.  Palin ain't a leader.

[Straw Man]

Do you feel the same way about Thomas Jefferson? 

in what regard

are you going to pull out his quote the metaphorical "tree of liberty"

that quote is often not viewed in the context in which is was written and it was written in a private letter to a friend.

It was not in a speech or given as comment to the general public

[Soul Crusher]

 

In all fairness, I have never seen sarah with a handgun.   

[Kazan]

damn... the right sounds like a bunch of whiny fcking bitches at this point.

man up fellahs.  the left is playing dirty tricks, we know that.  but instead of taking the high road (like obama's speech actually did) - it's a week of nonstop whining and moaning.

no wonder obama is gonna win in 2012.  you'll run a victim, and while people sympathize with the victim, they sure don't follow them.  Palin ain't a leader.

Go crawl back under your rock, I for one am sick of your pointless, devils advocate bullshit.

Are implying that Obama is a leader? Fucking please the only people that would follow him are retards to begin with.

[Straw Man]

damn... the right sounds like a bunch of whiny fcking bitches at this point.

man up fellahs.  the left is playing dirty tricks, we know that.  but instead of taking the high road (like obama's speech actually did) - it's a week of nonstop whining and moaning.

no wonder obama is gonna win in 2012.  you'll run a victim, and while people sympathize with the victim, they sure don't follow them.  Palin ain't a leader.

the left is not playing dirty tricks (IMO)

they are talking about comments, images, etc.. that have been part of our political discourse and have been criticized in the past and it's a legitimate topic to bring up (and you and NT both did)

I haven't seen anyone blame Palin and I've seen many go out of their way to clarify they are not blaming her for the actions of a crazy person

[Soul Crusher]

Yeah ok Straw:    "I am not blaming Palin, but, lets talk about the toxic climate of hate and guns she seems obssessed with to gullible Tea party people" has been the standard fare this entire week.


Its dishonest shit from cowards on the left who were beating this drum 30 minutes after the shooting and have not stopped.