GH15: why incline smith over incline DB?

[Benny B]

Nothing builds muscle like the BASICS. And BASICS=FREE WEIGHTS.

You'd never see Haney going through a chest or back workout without barbells and dumbbells. That's back when bodybuilders trained like men...MEN!!! None of this f@ggoty smith-machine bench press, Hammer Strength shit. You taxed the muscle by lifting the cold steel in your hands up and down. Four to eight repetitions. That's how MEN trained...and the proof was always in the density of the physiques.

[tbombz]

some kind of incline should always be included at least every couple workouts in order to have a balanced chest but building the core of your chest workout around an incline movement(s) is dumb. the incline position, while an effective way to stimulate the upper region of the pecs, moves a large percentage of the load into the front delts as compared to the flat or decline positions. the smart trainer would focus on a decline movement, as its the alignment which places the greatest emphasis on the pecs, the least on the shoulders.  hammer declines are superb.

[flinstones1]

Nothing builds muscle like the BASICS. And BASICS=FREE WEIGHTS.

You'd never see Haney going through a chest or back workout without barbells and dumbbells. That's back when bodybuilders trained like men...MEN!!! None of this f@ggoty smith-machine bench press, Hammer Strength shit. You taxed the muscle by lifting the cold steel in your hands up and down. Four to eight repetitions. That's how MEN trained...and the proof was always in the density of the physiques.

oh great another fuckin idiot have fun with your 4-8 reps per set, Ill take another ampoule of testosterona and train on smiths, well see whos more "manly"

[GroinkTropin]

some kind of incline should always be included at least every couple workouts in order to have a balanced chest but building the core of your chest workout around an incline movement(s) is dumb. the incline position, while an effective way to stimulate the upper region of the pecs, moves a large percentage of the load into the front delts as compared to the flat or decline positions. the smart trainer would focus on a decline movement, as its the alignment which places the greatest emphasis on the pecs, the least on the shoulders.  hammer declines are superb.

VERY much this.

On topic, are decline db flyes the ultimate pec builder? I am considering, next chest workout, doing them followed by decline barbell presses, possibly on smith machine not sure yet. I dislike decline db presses for some reason.

With the flyes are you a fan of cable flyes?

[tbombz]

VERY much this.

On topic, are decline db flyes the ultimate pec builder? I am considering, next chest workout, doing them followed by decline barbell presses, possibly on smith machine not sure yet. I dislike decline db presses for some reason.

With the flyes are you a fan of cable flyes?

i dont do much flys though they are valuable for "shaping" and getting the inner pecs. i think cable crossovers are the best for this.

[GroinkTropin]

i dont do much flys though they are valuable for "shaping" and getting the inner pecs. i think cable crossovers are the best for this.

Interesting. If you examine the function of the pectoralis major, the motion is more of an arc with your upper arm crossing the lower portion of your sternum. I do believe flyes will offer a more natural movement correct? Any kind of press seems very limiting in terms of ROM, though you can move more weight...Makes sense to pre-exhaust with high rep db flyes then hit the heavy decline press...I shall try this and report back.

[tbombz]

Interesting. If you examine the function of the pectoralis major, the motion is more of an arc with your upper arm crossing the lower portion of your sternum. I do believe flyes will offer a more natural movement correct? Any kind of press seems very limiting in terms of ROM, though you can move more weight...Makes sense to pre-exhaust with high rep db flyes then hit the heavy decline press...I shall try this and report back.

i dont like pre exaust

flys may allow for more natural plane of movement but i personally cant get enough stimulation out of thm to warrant much growth.

i will use them sometimes after my main exercise, just one or two sets, to stimulate the inner region of the pecs which often need just a little more work after a press. either that or an incline.

[GroinkTropin]

i dont like pre exaust

flys may allow for more natural plane of movement but i personally cant get enough stimulation out of thm to warrant much growth.

i will use them sometimes after my main exercise, just one or two sets, to stimulate the inner region of the pecs which often need just a little more work after a press. either that or an incline.

Decline bb with free weight bar or smith machine?

[Bobby]

machine workout oh brother When u go back to DBs u'll see how weak you are when u train for real. WHAT A BEAST
Nothing wrong with smith-machine or hammerstrength etc but to base the workout on them and skip the DB presses is taking the easy way out.

Incline smith machine is a great 2nd exercise and superior to hammer-incline machine.

[Tito24]

[Meso_z]

This.

Thread closed.

[NordicNerd]

Disagree, causes too much stability in the shoulders..

Yes! The smith machine forces your joints to follow its trajectory and increases the risk of long-term joint injuries. Dumbells is the best equipment there is for avoiding injury, since you can move in a natural trajectory for your joints and ligaments. There is scientific evidence to support this.

However, there is also a publication indexed in Pubmed that shows that dumbells and barbells are the main cause of admission to the ER. Why? Well people tend to drop them on their feet and other bodyparts, crushing themselves ;-/.

NN

[deceiver]

i dont do much flys though they are valuable for "shaping" and getting the inner pecs. i think cable crossovers are the best for this.

Ever heard about all or nothing principle? You cannot isolate some part of muscle cell, either you fire it or you don't. That's it.

Problem with chest is that many people got structure making it impossible to feel any chest burn doing typical exercises such as db press, bb press. Smith machine allows me to focus on my pecs.

[Big Worm]

Nothing builds muscle like the BASICS. And BASICS=FREE WEIGHTS.

You'd never see Haney going through a chest or back workout without barbells and dumbbells. That's back when bodybuilders trained like men...MEN!!! None of this f@ggoty smith-machine bench press, Hammer Strength shit. You taxed the muscle by lifting the cold steel in your hands up and down. Four to eight repetitions. That's how MEN trained...and the proof was always in the density of the physiques.

AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All of these newer guys ,are all drugs.. Instead of training heavy,the drug heavy,and train light..!

[Dr Dutch]

No more training questions for gh15,please...

[Benny B]

oh great another fuckin idiot have fun with your 4-8 reps per set, Ill take another ampoule of testosterona and train on smiths, well see whos more "manly"

Another PUSSY taking the easy way. 
Enjoy having no nuts, f.a.g.g.o.t.

[Benny B]

machine workout oh brother When u go back to DBs u'll see how weak you are when u train for real. WHAT A BEAST
Nothing wrong with smith-machine or hammerstrength etc but to base the workout on them and skip the DB presses is taking the easy way out.

Very much agree.

Incline smith machine is a great 2nd exercise and superior to hammer-incline machine.

respectfully disagree

[Red Hook]

hmm..why not alternate every week

1 week do incline smith and the next week do include DB...

[Man of Steel]

Nothin wrong with Smith machines or Hammer equip.  All this "it's either free weights or you ain't trainin" stuff is nonsense.  In some cases I prefer free weights over machines and vice versa.  For chest I'll use Hammer incline, Smith flat, db inclines, db flies, pec deck, etc.....  Now, if all you have is a bar and a bench you can make your chest grow, but you don't have to restrict yourself though.  Just cause they didn't have this equipment in the "Arnold era" doens't mean they wouldn't have used it if it was.  Those guys would've used every piece of equipment and every chemical in existance if it were available to them. 

[mazrim]

I realize this is a post from a bit back but was curious as to where most people position the handles in relation to your chest. Do you start with it lined up with the middle of your chest or line it up with the upper chest or even higher towards the clavicle?
Would help if a vid could be posted. I am always a bit confused as to where to place the handles, etc.

Anyone have an answer or input on this question?

[tbombz]

Ever heard about all or nothing principle? You cannot isolate some part of muscle cell, either you fire it or you don't. That's it.

  do all inclines for a year then do all declines for a year and come back to me.