Zane at his best winning the 1979 Olympia video

[OptimusPrime1980]

GENETICS MATTERS. THIS IS WHY S0ME GET LAST PLACE AND S0ME GET 1ST.  IT'S AN EVEN LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AT THE T0P 0F THE GAME.

once at the top yes... you are right... that will be some of a deciding factor....
but to become a pro, a decent one.. genetics mean fuck all!

[flinstones1]

you guys like stories?
ok...
a very close friend of mine was buddies with ed.
so i will give you guys some insight in a pro's life...

ed had like 2 or 3 huge fridges in his house.. one for the groceries, other 2 for the hgh and slin.
every time he ate something, usually chinese take out! lol.. he would go the the fridge, take out like 5 iu's of hgh and take it. also some slin about 60 iu's or more...
once he took about 80 or 90 iu's at once according to my friend. he collapsed woke up in the hospital.
his wife was already there, she called my friend who rushed to the hospital....
ed his reaction to his wife: you called (name of my friend) for something as common as this? then he asked the nurse the number of the nearest chinese take out.... as he was hungry.. lol!

he got home, ate food.... guess what he did next......
exactly... opened the fridge and did it all over again.....  
THIS is what it takes these days....
 

great story optimus.... the guys on this board who want to be 250lb-270lb like todays guys really better know what their  getting themselves into because the road to an addict is inevitable . Option B is play with your deca test and dbol yet be 190-220lb while still living a normal life...but in many cases you end up looking better. 

[Howard]

The two weirdo's Coach and Howard fucking another thread up.

On topic i would say Nubret and Zane were the top guys from the golden era.

No argument from me on that choice.

[OptimusPrime1980]

great story optimus.... the guys on this board who want to be 250lb-270lb like todays guys really better know what their  getting themselves into because the road to an addict is inevitable . Option B is play with your deca test and dbol yet be 190-220lb while still living a normal life...but in many cases you end up looking better. 

exactly....
i know these things because i have seen them...
my friend knows ed very good.
i personally knew boris kleine .... dude was crazy! lol!
i have seen the things up close and personal. and i am talking iv's and stuff...
i have seen him drop 6 kilo's in a matter of a few hours.... 2 or 3 hours... very scary..
lasix injected straight in the vein..... turns the skin greyish... gives a death look.
steroids are not even mentioned that is normal.
also amfetamines, very very common...
that is why i KNOW gh15 is speaking the truth, the ugly truth, because i have seen it.
a lot of people here do not know what it takes to be a top amateur or pro these days.
it is beyond steroids, beyond gh.....
slin and other drugs... and i mean real drugs... medication...prescriptio n drugs.. uppers/downers.
it has got nothing to do anymore with being in shape.
it is who is the biggest and hardest competitions.

[Jaime]

No argument from me on that choice.

Ok i like you better now howard, i still don't think very highly of coach though.

[OptimusPrime1980]

Good post OP.
I suspect some of the drug stuff GH15 posts is true and I know just how extreme some guys go.
Sadly, the contests now feature only a small % of entrants as bodybuilders.
Most major shows have at least 2/3 of the entrants in NON bodybuilding divisions.
Combine that with extreme drug  freaks for the bodybuilders we do have and I see a sport that is near dead.  Just my 2 cents and observation.

you are 100% right.
that is why i think the mpd will save bb... it will evolve and they will start posing a bit.... shorter shorts...
i love bb! really but once i saw up close and personal what it takes to reach the top.. being a pro.
i thought fuck it, i will train and be in shape, cycle live a bb lifestyle, but to compete ..... no!
local level sure that is nice.. but what will that get you? nothing....
and more and more start thinking like me....

bb needs to go back to late 80's for me i always thought a perfect bber was BERRY DE MEY...
even to reach that you need to take a ton of gear, but that is not a problem.. gear is good! gear = bodybuilding.
today you have rec drugs/ uppers, downers, iv drips... yes iv drips i have seen it! when the lasix injects go wrong they need iv drip... lol!
hanging over a menstoilett, iv in one hand...his dick in the other hand, iv goes in... and same time he pisses everyting out.... lol.... what is the word?? FUBAR???
sick....

[Jaime]

Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.

Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.

More greek statue less monster from hades.

[OptimusPrime1980]

Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.

Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.

More greek statue less monster from hades.

x1000!

[njflex]

x1000!

back to demey def one of my fav bbers then,86\87 was fuller with great trademark shape then as discussed endless times here 1988 shredded to the bone insane ,if he was a few lbs heavier and just as hard he would have slipped past gaspari who looked sick too,haney had to much torso thickness then to beaten but demey was great.after pec tear he regrouped and wbf version was bigger yet again not as sharp as 88 though,then back to ifbb and was alltime biggest and still good shape and condition but too many bigger bbers by then,demey was is a legend.

[OptimusPrime1980]

back to demey def one of my fav bbers then,86\87 was fuller with great trademark shape then as discussed endless times here 1988 shredded to the bone insane ,if he was a few lbs heavier and just as hard he would have slipped past gaspari who looked sick too,haney had to much torso thickness then to beaten but demey was great.after pec tear he regrouped and wbf version was bigger yet again not as sharp as 88 though,then back to ifbb and was alltime biggest and still good shape and condition but too many bigger bbers by then,demey was is a legend.

demey still looks great for his age! healthy and in shape...
in 88 i thuoght he was waaay better then gaspari... gaspari has no shape.... does not belong in top 3.. but that is just me lol! i am biased... being dutch...
berry killed them in conditioning! lee was on a level by himself.... pathetic calves though... lol...
when berry took of his boxing robe, which they all were wearing, and hit the back xmass tree, the crowd went wwwwwwoooooooooowwww! even lee said, berry looks awesome..he was not worried about gaspari lol!

those were great times!!

[Natural Man]

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Those that say Zane was a skinny swimmers build with abs may have never seen him at his best.
Here he is winning his 3rd Olympia in 1979 at his all time biggest and best.

at 1.30 it looks like one of the weirdor brothers is going to suck him off right on stage.

[Howard]

you are 100% right.
that is why i think the mpd will save bb... it will evolve and they will start posing a bit.... shorter shorts...
i love bb! really but once i saw up close and personal what it takes to reach the top.. being a pro.
i thought fuck it, i will train and be in shape, cycle live a bb lifestyle, but to compete ..... no!
local level sure that is nice.. but what will that get you? nothing....
and more and more start thinking like me....

bb needs to go back to late 80's for me i always thought a perfect bber was BERRY DE MEY...
even to reach that you need to take a ton of gear, but that is not a problem.. gear is good! gear = bodybuilding.
today you have rec drugs/ uppers, downers, iv drips... yes iv drips i have seen it! when the lasix injects go wrong they need iv drip... lol!
hanging over a menstoilett, iv in one hand...his dick in the other hand, iv goes in... and same time he pisses everyting out.... lol.... what is the word?? FUBAR???
sick....

Your idea and enforcing the classic physique of the 80's as the ideal is good and I agree.
HOwever, the NPC's /IFBB's goal for MPD is the same as bikini for girls. At last yrs nationals I talked with a couple national judges I have known for years and it was obvious that MPD is bikini for guys. They will never do BB poses or compete as bodybuilders.
Vida Gerra will help AMI make the bikinigirls get wider coverage and then guys like Mike the situation will be involved in MPD. Bodybuilding will be a poor step child and the MPD and bikini will become the feature attraction. Sad but I can see it happening.

[Howard]

Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.

Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.

More greek statue less monster from hades.

Great post!

[Figo]

Frank Zane was probably the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
Most people look to Sergio, Arnold, Haney, Coleman etc which is fair enough. Sergio had cartoon-like proportions. Arnold's charisma turned him into a daddy for all of the lost children who took up weight training. Haney brought in his family values and triumphed with his leviathon torso. Coleman blew himself up like no one had ever done before.
But Zane was the master sculptor.
There has yet been nobody who has displayed such Greek-chiselled featrues the way Zane did. Labrada was good, so too was Shawn Ray. Samir did it once and so did Dickerson.
Extol Coleman's bloated balloon gut all you will but only Zane carried with him - in his preparation, his posing, his lines and presence - the original traditions of bodybuilding.
Grimek would have been very proud.

gotta include a prime Francis Benfatto too

[erics]

Most of the guys nowadays couldn't give a fuck about training or actually trying to be healthy, thats the problem. Bodybuilding should be looking and being strong and healthy.

Steroids are fine they take it to that higher level, but everything in moderation. It should be an artistic pursuit forged through tough tough workouts.

More greek statue less monster from hades.

Exactly.

Being strong and healthy, even if just the illusion of it, creates something to aspire towards.

If the fans are inspired, the future of the sport is assured. But if you cater to the gawkers, you'll have some short term success, but the talent pool for future competitors will become smaller and smaller.

As you said, more Greek statues, less monsters from Hades.

[asbrus]

gotta include a prime Francis Benfatto too

UGLY PHYSIQUE.

[Figo]

big zane fan, I think benfatto is the best modern example of the mold

with these 2 also showing the best a fully developed physique can look while maintaining lines, flow, proportion, etc



and the last proportionate, symmetrical big guy that graced tons of covers

[Figo]

UGLY PHYSIQUE.

so ugly, that when he entered a room, the sound of panties dropping in unison was deafening

[Saram]

Zane didn't have the best structure, particularly his waist/chest in their raw form but why we're all marvelling over him is because he mastered the art of showing his strengthd and hiding his weaknesses. Stand him straight on and it may not be as pleasing/special but when he twists a little or hits an overhead vacuum, it's lights out.

[Figo]

Zane didn't have the best structure, particularly his waist/chest in their raw form but why we're all marvelling over him is because he mastered the art of showing his strengthd and hiding his weaknesses. Stand him straight on and it may not be as pleasing/special but when he twists a little or hits an overhead vacuum, it's lights out.

yep

[asbrus]

so ugly, that when he entered a room, the sound of panties dropping in unison was deafening

SMALL CHEST, N0 TRAPS. L0NG T0RS0, SH0RT LEGS.

[Parker]

big zane fan, I think benfatto is the best modern example of the mold

with these 2 also showing the best a fully developed physique can look while maintaining lines, flow, proportion, etc



and the last proportionate, symmetrical big guy that graced tons of covers

We must always remember this guy...as well

[Figo]

Flex was great, amazing cartoon like muscles with small jointsn but somehow it just didn't look like "real" muscle

93 he had the best brb since bannout in 83

[OptimusPrime1980]

so ugly, that when he entered a room, the sound of panties dropping in unison was deafening

dude... the guy is 5'3 or something like that... hardly what woman consider attractive!
and his head is to big for his tiny body lol!

[asbrus]

dude... the guy is 5'3 or something like that... hardly what woman consider attractive!
and his head is to big for his tiny body lol!

L0L.