Magikusar's daily/weekly musings

[magikusar]

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/norquist-tea-party-backlash/2012/12/02/id/466143

[Archer77]

I disdain this kind hyperbole. Completely unnecessary.

[Soul Crusher]

typical. 

F obama and every disgusting leech supporting this 

[Jack T. Cross]

Problem is, a lot of these bastards of all stripes would look a person right in the eye to spin out some "justification" for scenarios that could only be described as slavery.

[Necrosis]

Who decides what is "sub-standard" and what isn't?

People don't create businesses to make sure YOU make a living. They do so to make sure THEY make a living.

again you seem to think nothing like Jesus, listen to yourself.. walking contradiction.

ya pay employees so little the majority require food stamps, meanwhile  wal-mart is making record salary/profit. If everyone took your fend for yourself attitude we would be fucked. Nothing wrong with making money for yourself but the employees who work to ensure you make that money deserve adequete compensation. Those in sweatshops making nike hats deserve a decent cut of the product they helped build. you seem to be against minimum wage, fuck it, I'm here to make money for myself, exploit everyone else.

it's about ethics and personal morals MCWAY. If I have more then enough I will help those without my gifts, it's called altruism, I'm sure I will get the help I need along the way in return.

[Coach is Back!]

Coach have you ever thought about moving away from California? Doesn't seem like the kind of state that goes with your ideology. And there State income tax will be 15% before the end of the decade.

Yes, but with my business, my mom and my sons.mom being here, we just have to wait. We are buying a home in Kentucky sometime in 2013. Already have the location.

[Hugo Chavez]

Right. Americans won't be hurt if what costs $1.99 today costs $7.99 tomorrow because of duties and tariffs... You are delusional.

Yea if you do it overnight dumbass.  I never suggested that.

[MCWAY]

again you seem to think nothing like Jesus, listen to yourself.. walking contradiction.

Didn't He say something about "Thou shalt not STEAL" and "Thou shalt not COVET anything that is thy neighbor's"? That seems to be the liberal mindset to the tee.

And when did Jesus state that people shouldn't go into business to make a living FOR THEMSELVES? Chapter and verse would be nice.

Good thing you I didn't mention the parable He used about the master, hiring servants for a denarius each (regardless of how long each one worked in his field).....OOPS!!!

ya pay employees so little the majority require food stamps, meanwhile  wal-mart is making record salary/profit. If everyone took your fend for yourself attitude we would be fucked. Nothing wrong with making money for yourself but the employees who work to ensure you make that money deserve adequete compensation. Those in sweatshops making nike hats deserve a decent cut of the product they helped build. you seem to be against minimum wage, fuck it, I'm here to make money for myself, exploit everyone else.

When did I say anything about "sweatshops"? I asked you a specific question as to what "substandard" wages were and you come up with this gibberish.

DEFINE "adequate" with actual numbers and quit using these vague terms. Are you implying that the cashier bagging groceries, with barely a high school diploma, should be making the same wages as the store manager or the computer programmer (with a bachelors' degree)?

it's about ethics and personal morals MCWAY. If I have more then enough I will help those without my gifts, it's called altruism, I'm sure I will get the help I need along the way in return.

I thought it was called charity. BTW, I do the same thing (and I don't need Obama and the Dems to pass a law to make me do it, either  ). I know; I know. You think it doesn't count, because I give quite a bit via my church. Fortunately, you don't make the rules on giving.

[whork]

One, it's how much you NET, not how much you gross. $250K in California is barely middle-class. $250K in Florida goes much further.

Two, who cares if it's wealthy. Why do some people think they have the right to other people's money, especially when the issue is excessive SPENDING on the government's part?

You mean the spending that gave your mother food stamps so you are alive today?

[whork]

Bingo.  They are claiming that these taxes will bring in $20 billion a year. Big fucking deal.  They can cut $100 billion a year in military spending without anyone noticing.  Bring the military down from $800 billion to $600 billion.  Problem solved.

So are you voting dem?

They are the only ones who wants to cut the military the GOP wants to increase it.

[whork]

Nope!

But, half the people in this country didn't pay for those roads and streets (They're the main ones, whining about taking other people's money, screaming "fair share"). The ones that did paid a disproportionate amount.


Do you think a poor person signed your paycheck?

Your mother and you was on that half the people list Mcway how do you explain this hypo?

[whork]

There's nothing stopping you from becoming wealthy

So you are wealthy?

[MCWAY]

You mean the spending that gave your mother food stamps so you are alive today?

What is it with your obsession with food stamps? Yes, my mother used them. But, unlike a good hunk of Obama supporters, my mother used them as they were designed to be utilized: TEMPORARILY, for a few short months.

Forget the 2-3 jobs she worked, to keep me in private school. Forget the chores we did around the apartment complex where we lived, to knock off $50-$100 from the rent (I had to cut the grass and HATED IT).

Nope. It was all about food stamps.  

Your mother and you was on that half the people list Mcway how do you explain this hypo?

Wrong again, Whork. My mother didn't say on them long enough. And, her taxes went up big time, when she became a truck driver.

I know you want to advance this narrative that, because of my family's BRIEF (and I stress, BRIEF) use of food stamps, I'm supposed to automatically support the foolishness of liberal policies, namely people being indefinitely subsidized on welfare.

But, that ain't happening.

[Necrosis]

Didn't He say something about "Thou shalt not STEAL" and "Thou shalt not COVET anything that is thy neighbor's"? That seems to be the liberal mindset to the tee.

paying taxes is stealing? I think earning money using tax payer services then hiding said money from rightful taxation is stealing

And when did Jesus state that people shouldn't go into business to make a living FOR THEMSELVES? Chapter and verse would be nice.

jesus never did advocate this, he certainly wasn't for dog eat dog though, in fact he was explicitly against vain and finite ambitions

Good thing you I didn't mention the parable He used about the master, hiring servants for a denarius each (regardless of how long each one worked in his field).....OOPS!!!

When did I say anything about "sweatshops"? I asked you a specific question as to what "substandard" wages were and you come up with this gibberish.

substandard would be wages with which necessities of living could not be afforded within reason. For example if beyond your wage you need food stamps to eat I would suggest your wage is too low.

DEFINE "adequate" with actual numbers and quit using these vague terms. Are you implying that the cashier bagging groceries, with barely a high school diploma, should be making the same wages as the store manager or the computer programmer (with a bachelors' degree)?


of course not, that is absurd. Why do you avoid all my questions and expect me to answer every single one of yours? you just keep pandering around the issue
I thought it was called charity. BTW, I do the same thing (and I don't need Obama and the Dems to pass a law to make me do it, either  ). I know; I know. You think it doesn't count, because I give quite a bit via my church. Fortunately, you don't make the rules on giving.


it doesn't count.

“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

[Necrosis]

What is it with your obsession with food stamps? Yes, my mother used them. But, unlike a good hunk of Obama supporters, my mother used them as they were designed to be utilized: TEMPORARILY, for a few short months.

Forget the 2-3 jobs she worked, to keep me in private school. Forget the chores we did around the apartment complex where we lived, to knock off $50-$100 from the rent (I had to cut the grass and HATED IT).

Nope. It was all about food stamps. 

you seem to have a self-centered view of reality. Instead of admit the help provided to you, you go on about things you did/done. You are completely self made, bravo.

[MCWAY]

paying taxes is stealing? I think earning money using tax payer services then hiding said money from rightful taxation is stealing

So is excessive taxation (why do you think tax collectors, then and now, are so loathed) especially when the fiscal problem is government spending money like crazed valley girls with their daddies' credit card. But, you don't seem to address that part.

jesus never did advocate this, he certainly wasn't for dog eat dog though, in fact he was explicitly against vain and finite ambitions

I never claimed that He was. And, I'm not either. Again, you have this warped view that people keeping as much of their HARD-EARNED money as possible is bad. That goes back that covetous entitlement mentality that you have a right to someone else's loot.

substandard would be wages with which necessities of living could not be afforded within reason. For example if beyond your wage you need food stamps to eat I would suggest your wage is too low.

I'm married with four kids. That doesn't mean that Mickey D's has to pay me nearly six figures to feed my family, if I apply for a job to flip burgers.

of course not, that is absurd. Why do you avoid all my questions and expect me to answer every single one of yours? you just keep pandering around the issue.

I didn't avoid your questions. But, for some reason, you keep avoiding mine. And they ain't that hard to answer.

it doesn't count.

As I said before, YOU don't make the rules as to what charity counts and what doesn't.

I give to food banks, via my church. I help educate kids, through my church, just as people helped me get my education, via the church (In fact, when my mother couldn't afford to pay my high school tuition and I had to leave, my church raised money to help send me BACK).

“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)”

You missed a verse: "

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, "Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me."

Funny how you left off the earlier part of that chapter, involving the talents, namely verse 29:

"For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.


Furthermore, that passage is about PERSONAL attention to those less fortunate, not government-mandated wallet looting via tax hikes.

Are liberals only able to help the poor, when the government makes them (or it makes good PR)?

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, "You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me." When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

Nicodemus had many possessions; Jesus didn't ask him to sell all of his goods. Same goes for Zaccheus, the tax collector (though he gave up some of his good, of his own conviction), Jairus, and the centurion (whose servant Jesus healed).

Jesus encountered multiple rich people; yet asked ONE to give up all his goods. Care to guess why?

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."

Once again, you're leaving off the background of that verse, starting with the beginning of that chapter. The Pharisees, as usual, were trying to trip Jesus up, so they could accuse Him of blasphemy and have Him executed.

It has ZILCH to do with castigating rich people, or implying that others have the right to their money, simply for having a pulse.

[MCWAY]

you seem to have a self-centered view of reality. Instead of admit the help provided to you, you go on about things you did/done. You are completely self made, bravo.

When did I deny the help that was given me, Necrosis? When did you hear me say I was self-made?

Since you like ducking questions, let me help you.....NEVER (see my subsequent post as an example)!!

Apparently, you don't see the difference between getting a hand and relying on handouts, between being on welfare BRIEFLY and staying on welfare INDEFINITELY.

You and Whork want to ignore the work she (and to a lesser degree, I) did to make it and focuses SOLELY on the government assistance part, despite that fact that the latter was SHORT TERM, as it's supposed to be.

My mother's friends (and some of our in-laws) were perpetual welfare assistance. They couldn't understand why she worked 2-3 jobs or why she send me to a private school, instead of just sticking me on the bus to go to public school and relying on them stamps and that check on the 1st and 15th. Heck, she paid more in the welfare system (via taxes) than some of her friends. Yet, she used it the LEAST.

And they thought she was NUTS, trying to drive a semi-tractor trailer, mainly to earn money to send me to college.

But, now I see what your problem is. You're of the daft belief that anyone who (however briefly) was on welfare is obligated to condone the utter stupidity that Obama and his supporters perpetuate, namely staying on the government dole indefinitely.

[Necrosis]

So is excessive taxation (why do you think tax collectors, then and now, are so loathed) especially when the fiscal problem is government spending money like crazed valley girls with their daddies' credit card. But, you don't seem to address that part.

so the fact that taxes are at almost all times lows doesn't factor into your distorted view of reality?
I never claimed that He was. And, I'm not either. Again, you have this warped view that people keeping as much of their HARD-EARNED money as possible is bad. That goes back that covetous entitlement mentality that you have a right to someone else's loot.

I never said this, nice straw man, what I'm suggesting is equality, i pay 50% income tax how could I possibly have this covetous mentatlity?
I'm married with four kids. That doesn't mean that Mickey D's has to pay me nearly six figures to feed my family, if I apply for a job to flip burgers.

no it does not, however, when record profits have been made by major corporations in the last 5-10 years and none of that translates into more jobs or better pay/benefits, something isn't working. Creating massive inequality is not good.
I didn't avoid your questions. But, for some reason, you keep avoiding mine. And they ain't that hard to answer.

As I said before, YOU don't make the rules as to what charity counts and what doesn't.

I know, Churchs are laughable.
I give to food banks, via my church. I help educate kids, through my church, just as people helped me get my education, via the church (In fact, when my mother couldn't afford to pay my high school tuition and I had to leave, my church raised money to help send me BACK).



You missed a verse: "



Funny how you left off the earlier part of that chapter, involving the talents, namely verse 29:

"For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.


Furthermore, that passage is about PERSONAL attention to those less fortunate, not government-mandated wallet looting via tax hikes.

oh jesus, I'm not going down this road, I'm sorry I started, I can already see the semantic contortions.
Are liberals only able to help the poor, when the government makes them (or it makes good PR)?

Nicodemus had many possessions; Jesus didn't ask him to sell all of his goods. Same goes for Zaccheus, the tax collector (though he gave up some of his good, of his own conviction), Jairus, and the centurion (whose servant Jesus healed).

Jesus encountered multiple rich people; yet asked only ONE to give up all his goods. Care to guess why?

Once again, you're leaving off the background of that verse, starting with the beginning of that chapter. The Pharisees, as usual, were trying to trip Jesus up, so they could accuse Him of blasphemy and have Him executed.

It has ZILCH to do with castigating rich people, or implying that others have the right to their money, simply for having a pulse.

Your interpretation requires subjective opinion, I think Jesus can speak for himself. Not that Jesus was the brighest tool in the shed however.

[MCWAY]

so the fact that taxes are at almost all times lows doesn't factor into your distorted view of reality?

It does, but not as much as excessive spending, especially considering that jacking up taxes on anyone doesn't solve the problem. All it does is feed your desire to take other people's cash, foolishly thinking it's going to help the poor and pay down the debt.

I never said this, nice straw man, what I'm suggesting is equality, i pay 50% income tax how could I possibly have this covetous mentatlity?

Misery loves company  . You're one to talk about straw men. You know how many Nativity scenes one could make with the ones you prop up?

no it does not, however, when record profits have been made by major corporations in the last 5-10 years and none of that translates into more jobs or better pay/benefits, something isn't working. Creating massive inequality is not good.

First, record profits DO translate into more jobs and better pay/benefits. Record losses, however, translate into layoffs and reduced hours and benefits.

If any inequality is being created, it's via some of these worthless public schools, pumping out kids who can barely read and write, coupled with those who aren't even finishing school.

That's one reason my mother sacrificed so much to keep me in private school.

I know, Churchs are laughable.

Having money siphoned from you via government....Good. VOLUNTARILY giving money to your church..."laughable"

RIIIIIIIGHT!!!!  

oh jesus, I'm not going down this road, I'm sorry I started, I can already see the semantic contortions.

Then, you must have excellent mirrors.

Your interpretation requires subjective opinion, I think Jesus can speak for himself. Not that Jesus was the brighest tool in the shed however.

He can and does, which is what make YOUR interpretation "laughable".  

[magikusar]

I mean dems want 800B more spending when we are 17T in debt.

If a teen is in debt you cut teens spending till creditcard paid off from earning being above spending.

USA?

dems must have idea that in end just not pay anything

http://news.msn.com/politics/update-white-house-rejects-gop-fiscal-cliff-counteroffer?ocid=ansnews11

[magikusar]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nightmare_on_subway_tracks_GgvCtkeJj6cTeyxHns2VNP

[magikusar]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/chief_other_girl_uULWUcuM7p4tJb2PLeaITP

The law currently lets women have a child even if the man does not want it.  Often to the selfish financial gain of the girl.

How many deaths and ruined lives are caused by these unnatural laws?

A man should have to sign that he wants the kid.

[magikusar]

again you seem to think nothing like Jesus, listen to yourself.. walking contradiction.

ya pay employees so little the majority require food stamps, meanwhile  wal-mart is making record salary/profit. If everyone took your fend for yourself attitude we would be fucked. Nothing wrong with making money for yourself but the employees who work to ensure you make that money deserve adequete compensation. Those in sweatshops making nike hats deserve a decent cut of the product they helped build. you seem to be against minimum wage, fuck it, I'm here to make money for myself, exploit everyone else.

it's about ethics and personal morals MCWAY. If I have more then enough I will help those without my gifts, it's called altruism, I'm sure I will get the help I need along the way in return.

There has never in history been a moral justification for stealing from a producer to give to a non producer.
You are immoral if you do.

[magikusar]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul835.html

The hysteria surrounding the January 1 deadline for the Budget Control Act’s spending cuts and expiration of the Bush tax cuts seems all too familiar. Even the language is predictably hysterical: if government reduces planned spending increases by even a tiny amount, the economy will go over a “fiscal cliff.” This is nonsense.

[magikusar]

How To End the Tragedy in Gaza

by Ron Paul

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As of late Friday the ceasefire in Gaza seems to be holding, if tentatively. While we should be pleased that this round of fighting appears temporarily on hold, we must realize that without changes in US foreign policy it is only a matter of time before the killing begins again.

It feels like 2009 all over again, which is the last time this kind of violence broke out inGaza. At that time over  :o1,400 Palestinians were killed, of which just 235 were combatants. The Israelis lost 13 of which 10 were combatants. At that time I said of then-President Bush’s role in the conflict:

“It's our money and our weapons. But I think we encouraged it. Certainly, the president has said nothing to diminish it. As a matter of fact, he justifies it on moral grounds, saying, oh, they have a right to do this, without ever mentioning the tragedy of Gaza…. To me, I look at it like a concentration camp.”

The US role has not changed under the Obama administration. The same mistakes continue. As journalist Glen Greenwald wrote last week:

"For years now, US financial, military and diplomatic support of Israel has been the central enabling force driving this endless conflict. The bombs Israel drops on Gazans, and the planes they use to drop them, and the weapons they use to occupy the West Bank and protect settlements are paid for, in substantial part, by the US taxpayer…”


http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul834.html