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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2011, 08:22:04 PM »
I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.  

L0L AT THINKING A KARATE MASTER CAN TAKE 0N A T0P BJJ BLACK BELT. Y0U ARE 0NE DUMB FUCK.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2011, 08:23:23 PM »
Entertainment? The greasy Gracies say 90% of real fights go to the ground and you need BJJ to defend yourself. Wake up asshole!

AND M0ST FIGHTS D0 G0 T0 THE GR0UND.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2011, 08:31:27 PM »
AND M0ST FIGHTS D0 G0 T0 THE GR0UND.
That's not what most of the bad ass bar brawling getbiggers will tell you.. you are you going to listen to proven legitimate martial artists or possibly homosexual faceless internet posters?

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2011, 08:32:19 PM »
Since almost 100% of "fights" start with some type of stand-up punching exchange I'll take boxing training over grappling any day of the week.

Watch a trained boxer unload on someone in a bar/streetfight setting and you'll immediately see that 99.9% of the population have no clue how to really fight.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2011, 08:34:48 PM »
Since almost 100% of "fights" start with some type of stand-up punching exchange I'll take boxing training over grappling any day of the week.

Watch a trained boxer unload on someone in a bar/streetfight setting and you'll immediately see that 99.9% of the population have no clue how to really fight.
This is true pertaining to the masses, and unquestionable as far as fight start standing up.. but it's naive to think that a long time wrestler or bjj practitioner would not quickly and easily look to get close and tie up, again not the average person though.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2011, 10:32:48 PM »
This is true pertaining to the masses, and unquestionable as far as fight start standing up.. but it's naive to think that a long time wrestler or bjj practitioner would not quickly and easily look to get close and tie up, again not the average person though.

N0 P0INT IN ARGUING WITH THESE NEWBS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN PR0VEN IN MMA. R0YCE GRACIE WH0 HAD TERRIBLE TAKE D0WN SKILLS WAS ABLE T0 TAKE D0WN T0P LEVEL KICKB0XERS AND 8TH DEGREE KARATE BLACK BELTS.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2011, 10:34:06 PM »
Since almost 100% of "fights" start with some type of stand-up punching exchange I'll take boxing training over grappling any day of the week.

Watch a trained boxer unload on someone in a bar/streetfight setting and you'll immediately see that 99.9% of the population have no clue how to really fight.


WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #58 on: October 11, 2011, 04:47:17 AM »

WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.
Chuck Lidell, Rampage Jackson, Junior Dos Santos and many other Pure strikers might disagree - none of these strikers ground game is particularly good, and between them they have beaten many top level BJJ guys.  Kenny Florian has a great ground game, and against Jose at UFC 136 couldn't take his opponent down or hold him down when he did.  MMA isn't about one particular style being dominant over the others, its who can combine all the fighting facets into the most efficient fighting package.  Hope this helps.
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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #59 on: October 11, 2011, 05:18:28 AM »

WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.

Cung Lee might disagree :D 8)

"kung fu doesn't work against MMA"  ::)

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #60 on: October 11, 2011, 05:56:36 AM »
Be the first to strike the balls, that's all you need to know in a street fight.  If you are the one who attacks first with utmost brutality without hesitation, you will win 99% of the time in a hand to hand fight.  Throw in weapons of any sort and your odds diminish tremendously of walking away uninjured or with your life.  Punching someone in the face or body is the absolute worst thing to do in a street fight, go for the balls or throat/neck and if they are still standing take the knees out, that's it.

this man  just ignore the ball kick  like a man ....... ::) ::)




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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #61 on: October 11, 2011, 08:06:59 AM »

WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.

So tell me then tough guy......you shoot for the leg in any bar/street fights recently? Try to follow along with the discussion.

Fucking dick sucking retard.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #62 on: October 11, 2011, 08:48:37 AM »
LoL at some replies, Chuck wrestled HS and D1, Rampage wrestled HS and JUCO, and Le also has a HS wrestling backgorund and they all still train their grappling, pure strikers huh  ::)

Dos Santos was a striker and now trains his wrestling religiously and has a bjj brown belt (that's right below black  ;))


You don't shoot double is street fights, as in knee to the ground, but you do slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them on their ass or clinch and go to town (not like a plum, simply wrapping up with a guy).

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #63 on: October 11, 2011, 09:14:52 AM »
Wouldn't want to roll around on the ground fighting a guy in a bar or parking lot while all his buddies and other people are standing around ready to kick me while I'm down!

Would rather just try and get in a good shot, stagger him and try get out of there as soon as possible!!!

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #64 on: October 11, 2011, 09:18:16 AM »
Wouldn't want to roll around on the ground fighting a guy in a bar or parking lot while all his buddies and other people are standing around ready to kick me while I'm down!

Would rather just try and get in a good shot, stagger him and try get out of there as soon as possible!!!

You're not reading all the expert MMA bro-advice posted above.

When you're surrounded by 50 drunken people, all wanting to get in on the fight action, you should slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them in a clinch.

'Cause that'll work........ ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2011, 09:30:09 AM »
You're not reading all the expert MMA bro-advice posted above.

When you're surrounded by 50 drunken people, all wanting to get in on the fight action, you should slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them in a clinch.

'Cause that'll work........ ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yeah it does, I'm sure you've been in tons of fights to dispute this  ::)

"..scoop them up and put them in a clinch" never said that, and that shows you have no clue what you talking about lol

Clearly this is for one on one scenarios, as I've said for multiple people pushing them off of you and hitting and running is obviously the best way to go.

and lol at the Florian Aldo comparison also, Kenny might have a great ground game but his wrestling sucks and that's what gets you to the gorund  ;) also Aldo started with a bjj base and is a high level ground guy too, higher than Florian.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2011, 09:31:34 AM »
Wouldn't want to roll around on the ground fighting a guy in a bar or parking lot while all his buddies and other people are standing around ready to kick me while I'm down!

Would rather just try and get in a good shot, stagger him and try get out of there as soon as possible!!!
Yeah in that scenario, I would agree this is the best way to go.. especially if there are "50 drunks" waiting to get in on the action as well.. but it can be a gamble as maybe you get hit and steggered first.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #67 on: October 11, 2011, 09:35:33 AM »
Yeah it does, I'm sure you've been in tons of fights to dispute this  ::)

"..scoop them up and put them in a clinch" never said that, and that shows you have no clue what you talking about lol

Clearly this is for one on one scenarios, as I've said for multiple people pushing them off of you and hitting and running is obviously the best way to go.

and lol at the Florian Aldo comparison also, Kenny might have a great ground game but his wrestling sucks and that's what gets you to the gorund  ;) also Aldo started with a bjj base and is a high level ground guy too, higher than Florian.

So when the discussion was about bar/street fights, that was "clearly a one on one scenario"?

Either you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, or you've "watched every UFC since #1".

Like I said....MMA bro-advice, worth exactly what we all just paid for it.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2011, 09:51:06 AM »
So when the discussion was about bar/street fights, that was "clearly a one on one scenario"?

Either you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, or you've "watched every UFC since #1".

Like I said....MMA bro-advice, worth exactly what we all just paid for it.
Not every street fight is a huge brawl, neither is every bar fight pal. Big ass brawls are just chaos and not too much skill is required there.

The thread title's "Why MMA Could Get You Killed", some form of combat training is better than nothing and people who train in striking and grappling have an advantage period, end of story. To think someone who trains needs internet tough guys advice is dumb, as if they can't judge when to use what skills and when there are "50 drunks" as opposed to just one drunk.

This is just "bro advice" that people with no fighting skills like to give out, since they have no skills but might have big useless muscles to defend their case... or in the begining of the thread, someoen who wastes their time training a martial art with no real sparring or simulation and is just repeating what their sensei tells them, striking + grappling training beats no training, big muscles, or just karate

I don't watch it feller, I do it and live it. I like boxing just as much as the next guy, but a bare knuckle brawl can be a gamble.

It's pretty simple, no one has to listen to me.

Take the advice of proven mma/martial arts pioneers in the mean streets of Brazil, the Gracies, or bb board tough guys who have no level of skill grappling or even striking but feel it's cooler to say just "throw a punch and knock him out" with their unparalleled power and accuracy  ::)

btw BJJ was designed for the streets not modern day sport mma.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #69 on: October 11, 2011, 09:40:45 PM »
So tell me then tough guy......you shoot for the leg in any bar/street fights recently? Try to follow along with the discussion.

Fucking dick sucking retard.

I USED T0 WRESTLE F0R 6 YEARS S0 MY ANSWER IS FUCK YAH I WILL. I CAN TAKE A N0N WRESTLER D0WN IN A MATTER 0F SEC0NDS AND ANY0NE WH0'S WRESTLED AT A HIGH LEVEL M0RE THAN 4 YEARS CAN T00. Y0U 0BVI0USLY HAVE N0 IDEA WHAT THE FUCK Y0U ARE TALKING EVIDENT BY Y0UR STATEMENT THAT TRYING T0 TAKE S0ME0NE D0WN IN A FIGHT IS F0REIGN. IT'S F0REIGN F0R S0ME0NE WH0 HAS N0 IDEA H0W T0 TAKE S0ME0NE D0WN LIKE Y0U.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2011, 09:53:59 PM »
LoL at some replies, Chuck wrestled HS and D1, Rampage wrestled HS and JUCO, and Le also has a HS wrestling backgorund and they all still train their grappling, pure strikers huh  ::)

Dos Santos was a striker and now trains his wrestling religiously and has a bjj brown belt (that's right below black  ;))


You don't shoot double is street fights, as in knee to the ground, but you do slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them on their ass or clinch and go to town (not like a plum, simply wrapping up with a ####).
I didnt say they couldnt wrestle, just that their wrestling games were just good enough to keep it on the feet, so they could knock their opponent out.

Chuck Lidell, Rampage Jackson, Junior Dos Santos and many other Pure strikers might disagree - none of these strikers ground game is particularly good, and between them they have beaten many top level BJJ guys.  Kenny Florian has a great ground game, and against Jose at UFC 136 couldn't take his opponent down or hold him down when he did.  MMA isn't about one particular style being dominant over the others, its who can combine all the fighting facets into the most efficient fighting package.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2011, 10:02:27 PM »
Definitely agree, but the "average" person doesn't know how to throw a punch properly, so going for the nuts or throat is the quickest way to end the fight.  Obviously for an experienced fighter, it's quite different.  Most people can't hold their center of gravity properly and throw themselves off balance when throwing a punch opening themselves up for vulnerbility. 
Well, I havent fought two many people who suddenly offered up their throat or their nuts for me to punch or kick, even an experienced fighter would have trouble connecting to these areas if his opponent doesnt want him too.  I dont know why people carry on that old cliche, kick em in the nuts.  I have been kicked in the nuts, all it did was make me mad so I beat the living shit out of the guy.
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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2011, 10:09:28 PM »
  The invention of this made this whole thread retarded...

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2011, 10:25:32 PM »
When retards like assbruise say they wrestled for X many years, what they're really saying is "I hugged other gay men in high school".

Fucking website full of professional cage fighters. Every fucking one of them would piss their panties if they were ever in a real fight.

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Re: Why MMA Could Get You Killed
« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2011, 11:04:52 PM »
When retards like assbruise say they wrestled for X many years, what they're really saying is "I hugged other gay men in high school".

Fucking website full of professional cage fighters. Every fucking one of them would piss their panties if they were ever in a real fight.

L0L. JUST WHEN I THINK THIS SITE CAN'T GET ANY DUMBER BIKE NUT PR0VES ME WR0NG.