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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2012, 06:20:22 AM »
again... whose to say that zimmerman didnt start it and trayvon respond...

yeah they say the altercation well into it... but if there isnt a witness that says "zimmerman was walking away and got hit", its Zimmerman's word vs the Dead kid's

And that is reasonable doubt and zimm walks. 

Take your emotions out of it. 

Murder was the wrong charge here.  Manslaughter or negligenthomicide, but not murder. 

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2012, 07:08:09 AM »
Murder was the wrong charge here.  Manslaughter or negligenthomicide, but not murder. 

do you think zimm committed manslaughter or neg hom?

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #127 on: April 25, 2012, 07:17:38 AM »
do you think zimm committed manslaughter or neg hom?

No.  But it would have been a better case to make. 

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #128 on: April 25, 2012, 07:29:55 AM »
And that is reasonable doubt and zimm walks. 

Take your emotions out of it. 

Murder was the wrong charge here.  Manslaughter or negligenthomicide, but not murder. 

my emotions arent in it... you see the post above correct?.,..It has nothing to do with emotions.. where the fuck are you getting that?

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #129 on: April 25, 2012, 07:32:46 AM »
my emotions arent in it... you see the post above correct?.,..It has nothing to do with emotions.. where the fuck are you getting that?


Yes it is.  Your emotions are caught up in this as any sensible person realizes that Zimm didnt MURDER Trayvon.

   

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2012, 07:45:09 AM »

Yes it is.  Your emotions are caught up in this as any sensible person realizes that Zimm didnt MURDER Trayvon.
and again.. from that post... where do you get emotion.....ok...ill walk you through this.,. as you are quite possibly a retard.

This was my gripe...
If person A kills person B... and the only account of the incident is from person A... at that time, Person A should be arrested pending investigation.
Now.. if person A said person B attacked him... but there arent any witnesses to back that up.. Then person A should still be jailed.
Now.. if there is a witness that says person B was on top of person A, but didnt see how it was sparked off, it still doesnt speak to who STARTED the altercation.. I cant run up on Mike Tyson,  get hella beat up ... and shoot him.. and yell self defense.
That has nothing to do with emotion and me... unlike you... im rational...

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2012, 07:54:01 AM »
Yes it is.  Your emotions are caught up in this as any sensible person realizes that Zimm didnt MURDER Trayvon.

can you see why people believe zimm did murder him?

he called the kid a fucking asshole.
he pursued a minor into the dark, knowing he was armed.
he knew trained LEO were almost there, but he wanted to do it himself.
he believed he had history with the kid (these assholes breaking in).
he believed TM was a drug abuser?

Now to me, i CAN see why some people cry murder on this one.  
He believed this was a house burglar on drugs with somethign in his hand from waistband - and he pursues then confronts him with a glock before police can get there.   Looks pretty bad.  Read that bolded part over and over.  

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2012, 08:05:47 AM »
and again.. from that post... where do you get emotion.....ok...ill walk you through this.,. as you are quite possibly a retard.

This was my gripe...
If person A kills person B... and the only account of the incident is from person A... at that time, Person A should be arrested pending investigation.
Now.. if person A said person B attacked him... but there arent any witnesses to back that up.. Then person A should still be jailed.
Now.. if there is a witness that says person B was on top of person A, but didnt see how it was sparked off, it still doesnt speak to who STARTED the altercation.. I cant run up on Mike Tyson,  get hella beat up ... and shoot him.. and yell self defense.
That has nothing to do with emotion and me... unlike you... im rational...

LOL - funny how you didnt mention the bloody head once in that word salad and the fact that Zimm's story is completely consistent.   

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2012, 08:08:31 AM »
LOL - funny how you didnt mention the bloody head once in that word salad and the fact that Zimm's story is completely consistent.   

his story?   about the confrontation, right? 

I'm referring to his intent as he believed this was a house burglar on drugs with somethign in his hand from waistband - and he pursues then confronts him with a glock before police can get there

Was he on a mission to confront and punish a house burglar before the popo arrived?  Sure fcking looks like it.

His story is only consistent cause trayvon is dead.  If he got winged, we'd be hearing 2 very diff stories right now. 

SO his ass does deserve to be on trial - and he's not there because of what happened once they were 2 feet from each other.  It's cause he was the one who wore a gun to follow a minor in the dark, and move it from 200 feet to 2 feet in a hurry before police got there.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2012, 08:10:15 AM »
LOL - funny how you didnt mention the bloody head once in that word salad and the fact that Zimm's story is completely consistent.   
I dont give a shit if i approached Mike Tyson..and started shit... and got beat up for 3 min... and i shot Tyson after that.. i can say "yeah i got my ass kicked for 2 min and my god damn eye was punched out" the fact remains.. that 1)mike isnt alive to tell his side of the story and 2) even if i got beat up, i could have still started the shit...

Please explain to me what you dont understand

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #135 on: April 25, 2012, 08:11:32 AM »
Do you understand.. any injuries he sustained while getting whooped means nothing if he started the altercation.. that, we will never know as the other side of the story is lying 6 feet deep...

now let me hear your lame ass argument

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #136 on: April 25, 2012, 08:13:10 AM »
Do you understand.. any injuries he sustained while getting whooped means nothing if he started the altercation.. that, we will never know as the other side of the story is lying 6 feet deep...

now let me hear your lame ass argument

Why Trayvon’s killer should be acquitted
suntimes.com ^ | 24 April, 2012 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:31:39 AM by marktwain

Critics of Florida’s self-defense law object to its recognition of a right to “stand your ground” in public places, which eliminated the duty to retreat from an assailant. Yet many of these critics seem to believe they have a duty to stand their ground and never retreat, using George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin as a weapon to attack Florida’s law, no matter what the evidence shows.

The emphasis on the right to stand your ground is puzzling in the context of the Martin case, since Zimmerman’s defense does not seem to rely on it. The 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, who was released on bail this week after being charged with second-degree murder in connection with the Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford, told police the unarmed teenager knocked him down with a punch to the face and pinned him to the ground, repeatedly smacking his head against the pavement. By Zimmerman’s account, then, he had no opportunity to retreat.

Florida’s law also has been blamed for delaying Zimmerman’s arrest, and it did require that police have probable cause to believe the shooting was unlawful. But this is the same standard that applies to arrests for all other crimes.

One unusual aspect of Florida’s law that will be apparent in this case is that Zimmerman has a right to a pretrial hearing at which he can try to convince Judge Kenneth Lester, by “a preponderance of the evidence,” that he acted in self-defense. If he can meet that standard of proof, which requires showing it is more likely than not that his use of force was appropriate, the charge against him will be dismissed. But even if he went to trial, he would be (or at least should be) acquitted with that much evidence in his favor, since the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn’t acting in self-defense — which, as Northern Kentucky University law professor Michael J.Z. Mannheimer pointed out, would be true “in virtually every state.”

Zimmerman’s defense is that he was attacked and “reasonably believe[d]” shooting Martin was “necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.” Contrary to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who is leading a national campaign against Florida-style self-defense laws, that does not mean people “make their own decisions as to whether someone is threatening or not” and therefore have “a license to murder.” The threat assessment has to be reasonable.

Even if the Trayvon Martin case does not really illustrate the shortcomings of Florida’s law, it is possible that eliminating the duty to retreat in public places, combined with reinforcing the “castle doctrine” (which applies to home invasions) and extending it to vehicles, has encouraged avoidable escalations of violence. The law’s opponents note that the annual number of justifiable homicides in Florida (excluding police shootings) nearly tripled after the law was passed in 2005, from an average of 12 from 2000 to 2004 to an average of 35 from 2006 to 2010.

Still, you would expect to see an increase in homicides deemed to be justified even if the law were working as intended. The crucial question, which the task force appointed last week by Gov. Rick Scott presumably will ask, is whether these homicides should be deemed justified.

It is worth noting that Florida’s violent crime rate, which fell 12 percent in the five years before the “stand your ground” law was enacted, fell 23 percent in the five years afterward. Since 1987, when Florida adopted a nondiscretionary carry permit law that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence blames for “year after year of carnage,” the state’s violent crime rate has been cut nearly in half.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #137 on: April 25, 2012, 08:13:43 AM »
trayvon didn't take it from 200 feet to 2 feet.   Zimm did.

look at where his truck is.  Look at 2 blocks away where trayvon died.

Trayvon didn't drag zimm there.  ZImm brought himself 2 blocks with a gun in his ready, trying to beat the police there.  AFTER he told the 911 operator he'd wait in the truck at mailboxes.

that 911 tape is going to be why he goes to jail here.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #138 on: April 25, 2012, 08:14:46 AM »
Why Trayvon’s killer should be acquitted
suntimes.com ^ | 24 April, 2012 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 10:31:39 AM by marktwain

Critics of Florida’s self-defense law object to its recognition of a right to “stand your ground” in public places, which eliminated the duty to retreat from an assailant. Yet many of these critics seem to believe they have a duty to stand their ground and never retreat, using George Zimmerman’s shooting of Trayvon Martin as a weapon to attack Florida’s law, no matter what the evidence shows.

The emphasis on the right to stand your ground is puzzling in the context of the Martin case, since Zimmerman’s defense does not seem to rely on it. The 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, who was released on bail this week after being charged with second-degree murder in connection with the Feb. 26 shooting in Sanford, told police the unarmed teenager knocked him down with a punch to the face and pinned him to the ground, repeatedly smacking his head against the pavement. By Zimmerman’s account, then, he had no opportunity to retreat.

Florida’s law also has been blamed for delaying Zimmerman’s arrest, and it did require that police have probable cause to believe the shooting was unlawful. But this is the same standard that applies to arrests for all other crimes.

One unusual aspect of Florida’s law that will be apparent in this case is that Zimmerman has a right to a pretrial hearing at which he can try to convince Judge Kenneth Lester, by “a preponderance of the evidence,” that he acted in self-defense. If he can meet that standard of proof, which requires showing it is more likely than not that his use of force was appropriate, the charge against him will be dismissed. But even if he went to trial, he would be (or at least should be) acquitted with that much evidence in his favor, since the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn’t acting in self-defense — which, as Northern Kentucky University law professor Michael J.Z. Mannheimer pointed out, would be true “in virtually every state.”

Zimmerman’s defense is that he was attacked and “reasonably believe[d]” shooting Martin was “necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm.” Contrary to New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who is leading a national campaign against Florida-style self-defense laws, that does not mean people “make their own decisions as to whether someone is threatening or not” and therefore have “a license to murder.” The threat assessment has to be reasonable.

Even if the Trayvon Martin case does not really illustrate the shortcomings of Florida’s law, it is possible that eliminating the duty to retreat in public places, combined with reinforcing the “castle doctrine” (which applies to home invasions) and extending it to vehicles, has encouraged avoidable escalations of violence. The law’s opponents note that the annual number of justifiable homicides in Florida (excluding police shootings) nearly tripled after the law was passed in 2005, from an average of 12 from 2000 to 2004 to an average of 35 from 2006 to 2010.

Still, you would expect to see an increase in homicides deemed to be justified even if the law were working as intended. The crucial question, which the task force appointed last week by Gov. Rick Scott presumably will ask, is whether these homicides should be deemed justified.

It is worth noting that Florida’s violent crime rate, which fell 12 percent in the five years before the “stand your ground” law was enacted, fell 23 percent in the five years afterward. Since 1987, when Florida adopted a nondiscretionary carry permit law that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence blames for “year after year of carnage,” the state’s violent crime rate has been cut nearly in half.



um.,....ok.. what is YOUR REBUTTLE... to what was stated above... dont do your cut and paste job.. you fuckin hack

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #139 on: April 25, 2012, 08:32:07 AM »
One unusual aspect of Florida’s law that will be apparent in this case is that Zimmerman has a right to a pretrial hearing at which he can try to convince Judge Kenneth Lester, by “a preponderance of the evidence,” that he acted in self-defense. If he can meet that standard of proof, which requires showing it is more likely than not that his use of force was appropriate, the charge against him will be dismissed. But even if he went to trial, he would be (or at least should be) acquitted with that much evidence in his favor, since the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn’t acting in self-defense — which, as Northern Kentucky University law professor Michael J.Z. Mannheimer pointed out, would be true “in virtually every state.”


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Getting your head bashed into the concrete equals reasonable fear for your life. 


Again - this is going to be twanny brawly all over again pimped by the race terrorists. 

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #140 on: April 25, 2012, 10:22:36 AM »
Getting your head bashed into the concrete equals reasonable fear for your life. 

The problem here is that he did everything he could to cause a confrontation with a minor - couldn't fight - and shot his way out of it.  He caused it all.  Any of us can do it.  I can walk up to a 10 year old, ,call his mom a whore, and after he punches me once in nose, I flip back, crack my head, and shoot him fill off holes.  All legal.  nah nah nah, right?

Again - this is going to be twanny brawly all over again pimped by the race terrorists. 

Aside from the fact that 'race terrorists' is about the cheesiest and most crybaby phrase ever, are you sure YOU should be one to lecture on terrorism?  You've told us you find nuclear terrorism hilarious:

If a nuke went off in DC and took out all of these criminals and traitors, I would celebrate loudly. 

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #141 on: April 25, 2012, 10:32:13 AM »
The problem here is that he did everything he could to cause a confrontation with a minor - couldn't fight - and shot his way out of it.  He caused it all.  Any of us can do it.  I can walk up to a 10 year old, ,call his mom a whore, and after he punches me once in nose, I flip back, crack my head, and shoot him fill off holes.  All legal.  nah nah nah, right?

Aside from the fact that 'race terrorists' is about the cheesiest and most crybaby phrase ever, are you sure YOU should be one to lecture on terrorism?  You've told us you find nuclear terrorism hilarious:


I said that?    Awesome!   


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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #142 on: April 25, 2012, 10:55:30 AM »
my emotions arent in it... you see the post above correct?.,..It has nothing to do with emotions.. where the fuck are you getting that?

Your emotions are definitely in it. You just made the defense's case as to why he should be acquitted. You and your lynch mob buddies like 240 still can't prove a single claim you're making.

I don't blame you, though. There was some dipshit from Salon writing that Zimmerman should be convicted regardless so that we don't have race riots because leftists have no problem with ignoring the rule of law in this country.

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« Reply #143 on: April 25, 2012, 11:00:44 AM »
The state has admitted it can't contradict Zimmerman's side of the story...I don't see how they're going to get a conviction under those circumstances.  Do I think Zimmerman's responsible for the young man's death?  Yes...he had no business going on "patrol" with a gun, no business exiting the vehicle and the basis for his suspicions about Martin's actions appear to be based on his race and style of dress.   From a philosphical and moral POV there's no doubt in my mind that he's culpable.  However...this is a criminal proceeding.  Philosphy and right and wrong are not the issue here...the letter of the law and the State's ability to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt are the issues.

Zimmerman is going to walk....

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #144 on: April 25, 2012, 11:24:46 AM »
Your emotions are definitely in it. You just made the defense's case as to why he should be acquitted. You and your lynch mob buddies like 240 still can't prove a single claim you're making.
I don't blame you, though. There was some dipshit from Salon writing that Zimmerman should be convicted regardless so that we don't have race riots because leftists have no problem with ignoring the rule of law in this country.
What claim am i making.. what did i say above that made a case....i just gave accurate stats.. on what we know
Person A killed person B
Person A has a self defense claim that cant be proven
Person A says Person B confronted him, but who knows, as person B is Dead
Person A says look i got beat up.. it proves i was attacked..
But what isnt seen is who initiated it.
If i run up on you and talk crazy and then you haul off and whoop my ass.. i cant cant shoot you and say self defense.
My my gripe all along is, if someone is shot someone needs to be arrested.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #145 on: April 25, 2012, 11:36:03 AM »
Option F - do you understand the ideas and meaning of  "Probable Cause" as well as "Beyond all Reasonable Doubt" ? 

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #146 on: April 25, 2012, 11:43:26 AM »
I am still in disbelief at anyone clinging to innocent Trayvon fantasies.  Its as if they want to live in a world where you can`t defend yourself and they think that attacking someone is just fine as long as you limit the beating.




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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #147 on: April 25, 2012, 11:50:14 AM »
The state has admitted it can't contradict Zimmerman's side of the story...I don't see how they're going to get a conviction under those circumstances.  Do I think Zimmerman's responsible for the young man's death?  Yes...he had no business going on "patrol" with a gun, no business exiting the vehicle and the basis for his suspicions about Martin's actions appear to be based on his race and style of dress.   From a philosphical and moral POV there's no doubt in my mind that he's culpable.  However...this is a criminal proceeding.  Philosphy and right and wrong are not the issue here...the letter of the law and the State's ability to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt are the issues.

Zimmerman is going to walk....
Hey, someone actually gets it!
Unlike 240 who continues to lie, twist facts, and projecting intent into Zimmermans actions to make him a murderer.

240, you are pathetic. Yet again, about 40-60% of your words are outright bullshit.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #148 on: April 25, 2012, 11:55:23 AM »
I am still in disbelief at anyone clinging to innocent Trayvon fantasies.  Its as if they want to live in a world where you can`t defend yourself and they think that attacking someone is just fine as long as you limit the beating.





Exactly. One would have to be completely delusional to believe that at this point.

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Re: Pictures of Zimmerman's bloody head.
« Reply #149 on: April 25, 2012, 11:58:44 AM »
Exactly. One would have to be completely delusional to believe that at this point.
People are sheep bro, they just think "Evil guy shot poor kid walking home from school!" because thats what the 5 o'clock news said.