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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2012, 04:07:59 PM »
i have never seen a criminal with a permit to carry a gun

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2012, 04:09:49 PM »
i have never seen a criminal with a permit to carry a gun
Not only that, but you never know when one of these "rational, law abiding"  ::) citizens may decide to just fucking blast you for kicks after he robs you.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2012, 04:11:57 PM »

What is your obsession about labeling people who want to defend themselves as wanna-be heros or saving the day? NO I don't want to be killed I enjoy life and have a responsibility to my family you think I'm gonna take a chance on what two people who are brazen enough to do an armed robbery might do?

Again maybe I don't feeling getting robbed , and I know for a fact I don't like having guns pointed at me. Keep making excuses for the criminals  

Says who? the victim?  ::) you have a gun pointed at me that's as extreme as it gets and I'm not gonna guess on what your intentions are or hedge my bets or take my chances. It's your mentality that allows these people to do this shit , because they know people like you will just bend over.

You wouldn't do a fucking thing you're a bitch already stop trying to act like a man now.

Because it's very obvious by now that you and Shockwave think at least 70% with your balls and pride. Something an aspiring "hero" usually does. You've got your guns and they make you feel important. If you get robbed, you HAVE to use them, right? Otherwise you'd be a bitch. How would you explain that to your friends? Might as well commit suicide.

 ::)

You can feel like not getting robbed all day long, as long that doesn't put innocent lives at additional risk.

YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN. You're assuming that the robber is a mentally retarded sloth that would never have the time/skills/luck to shoot back at you and others. You have no rational argument to assume that this is so. It's mere wishful thinking.

Again, I'll be a bitch any day of the week. I can buy a new cellphone. A bruise or two usually heals up pretty well. Gunshot wounds usually don't.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2012, 04:15:11 PM »
Because it's very obvious by now that you and Shockwave think at least 70% with your balls and pride. Something an aspiring "hero" usually does. You've got your guns and they make you feel important. If you get robbed, you HAVE to use them, right? Otherwise you'd be a bitch. How would you explain that to your friends? Might as well commit suicide.

 ::)

You can feel like not getting robbed all day long, as long that doesn't put innocent lives at additional risk.

YOU ARE TAKING A CHANCE WHEN YOU PULL OUT YOUR GUN. You're assuming that the robber is a mentally retarded sloth that would never have the time/skills/luck to shoot back at you and others. You have no rational argument to assume that this is so. It's mere wishful thinking.

Again, I'll be a bitch any day of the week. I can buy a new cellphone. A bruise or two usually heals up pretty well. Gunshot wounds usually don't.
Well, thats good, because you are, in fact, a bitch.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2012, 04:20:03 PM »
Well, thats good, because you are, in fact, a bitch.

That's a great argument and I completely agree with you. From now on I'll attack whoever that might potentially attack me. Thank you.

May you couragesly kill a lot of bad guys with your concealed weapon. It's the only smart thing to do. No but seriously, it is.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2012, 04:22:10 PM »
That's a great argument and I completely agree with you. From now on I'll attack whoever that might potentially attack me. Thank you.

May you couragesly kill a lot of bad guys with your concealed weapon. It's the only smart thing to do. No but seriously, it is.
Who is advocating to try and kill everyone regardless of circumstance? Its a calculated risk - obviously Im not gonna draw my firearm if a dude has his weapon up against my skull.

You sir, sound like a bitch in every post you make, youre the kind of guy thats gonna play it safe, and the robber is going to shoot you anyway and laugh because he can tell you are, in fact, a bitch.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2012, 04:29:41 PM »
Lets comment on what happened kid NOT what might of happened , we KNOW what happened and your imaginary scenario did NOT. NO innocent people were hurt just two degenerates assholes.

Again stick the ' hypothetical ' up your ass. lets talk facts. Facts are two thugs shot in custody no innocent people hurt. You don't like facts which is why you're clinging to what could have happened  ::)

You're taking a risk by NOT doing anything but seeing you're a victim you'll do that. I won't.
 

Way to speak for me jackass , NO I don't think pulling out a gun solves everything , what it does do is evens the odds , I now have a fuck-of-a-better chance at living that just hoping they're in a good mood and wont kill me. Pulling out a gun increases my odds of living and not being a victim and it's a fuck of a lot better than bending over like you

His did didn't it? no victims , no innocent people hurt , two degenerates in jail all's well that ends well.

The risk of innocent people getting hurt were already through the roof when two morons walked in with a baseball bat and a gun. Your victim mentality keeps wanting to shift the blame do the innocent guy with the gun. They put everyone at risk NOT him. And again stupid you're more than willing to play the chances on they wont hurt anyone as long as they get what they want , but balk at the idea of someone taking a chance on killing them before they kill you because something might go wrong  ::)

He didn't make it worse what he did do is make it better , we know this for a FACT fuck what could have happened we know what did happen.

Nothing to do with balls it has everything to do with NOT being a victim , NOT taking chances and NOT want to be robbed. It's not bravado it's not wanting to take a chance ( like you ) with my life.

Alright, I think our discussion basically boils down to this:

My argument:

Assuming that most robbery victims who don't put up a fight don't get shot or lethally injured are better off just accepting that they're about to lose their wallet, cell phone etcetc. If you don't put up a fight, you'll have a good chance of escaping relatively unharmed from the ordeal. Forcing the attacker to fight or flee will most likely result in someone getting seriously hurt or die.

My argument is also assuming that what really matters is your own life and the well being of victims in the vicinity.

Your argument:

Everyone should have use their right to defend themselves at any time, even though that might start a gunfight. Victims are very likely to die if they don't fight back. Because the attacker initiated hostility any additional risk added by the victim is irrelevant. The victim will improve his chances of surviving enormously by fighting back. The attacker/robber almost always loses such a conflict.

Your argument also assumes that fighting back means you're not a bitch.




Lets just accept that we view this from entirely different perspectives.



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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2012, 04:31:49 PM »
Who is advocating to try and kill everyone regardless of circumstance? Its a calculated risk - obviously Im not gonna draw my firearm if a dude has his weapon up against my skull.

You sir, sound like a bitch in every post you make, youre the kind of guy thats gonna play it safe, and the robber is going to shoot you anyway and laugh because he can tell you are, in fact, a bitch.

Yes, because a majority of robbery victims are brutally raped by a bunch of black men only to then be brutally executed by the robber. This is simple statistics.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2012, 04:32:19 PM »
Youre playing statistics, "most people who get robbed dont get harmed", thats not the fucking point, how would YOU like to become that statistic? Hmm? How'd you like to get blasted because you played it safe, and the robber didnt care? Or because you saw his face? Or for whatever fucked up reason may occur?

You dont play percentages with your life, pansy.

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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2012, 04:35:09 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2012, 04:36:33 PM »
Repost, big argument in the other thread.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=431526.0

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2012, 04:40:42 PM »
Youre playing statistics, "most people who get robbed dont get harmed", thats not the fucking point, how would YOU like to become that statistic? Hmm? How'd you like to get blasted because you played it safe, and the robber didnt care? Or because you saw his face? Or for whatever fucked up reason may occur?

You dont play percentages with your life, pansy.

That's the very thing though. You can't really be sure of anything in a situation like that. Being a bitch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll live to tell the tale and neither does pulling a gun. Only way to settle this discussion is to bring up some REAL crime statistics. What IS more likely to happen? I could very well be wrong. But I think I'm not unwise to assume that robberies are way more common than robbery-murder. It's not an unreasonable assumption. Prove me wrong.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2012, 04:42:58 PM »
That's the very thing though. You can't really be sure of anything in a situation like that. Being a bitch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll live to tell the tale and neither does pulling a gun. Only way to settle this discussion is to bring up some REAL crime statistics. What IS more likely to happen? I could very well be wrong. But I think I'm not unwise to think that robberies are way more common than robbery-murder. It's not an unreasonable assumption. Prove me wrong.
I dont give a fuck about the statistics, Im not going to become one. Ill leave that up to you.

If I have the upper hand and the opportunity, im taking it. Im not going to play statistics with my life, because there is a very real chance that 1 time I get robbed, I may be that "1 in 100" that gets killed.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2012, 04:45:08 PM »
I dont give a fuck about the statistics, Im not going to become one. Ill leave that up to you.

If I have the upper hand and the opportunity, im taking it. Im not going to play statistics with my life, because there is a very real chance that 1 time I get robbed, I may be that "1 in 100" that gets killed.

You're probably way more likely to die in traffic than getting killed by some murdering crackhead. Are you going to stop driving vehicles from now on? You don't wanna be some statistic, right?


EDIT: Just think really hard for a second why you are way more passionate about the idea of potentially getting robbed/murdered than getting run over by some old lady in a SUV. Just think about it.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2012, 04:47:22 PM »
You're probably way more likely to die in traffic than getting killed by some murdering crackhead. Are you going to stop driving vehicles from now on? You don't wanna be some statistic, right?
Im not being robbed by an armed attacker every time I get in a car, am I?
How do you not understand I just said I dont give a fuck about the statistics of how likely I am to get injured - if I have a way to prevent it from happening, Im jumping all over it.

Comparing being robbed to driving a car, Jesus Christ.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2012, 04:49:34 PM »
Im not being robbed by an armed attacker every time I get in a car, am I?
How do you not understand I just said I dont give a fuck about the statistics of how likely I am to get injured - if I have a way to prevent it from happening, Im jumping all over it.

Comparing being robbed to driving a car, Jesus Christ.

Well that argument totally went over your head.

Alright fine, you don't give a shit about statistics. Great.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2012, 04:51:24 PM »
Well that argument totally went over your head.

Alright fine, you don't give a shit about statistics. Great.
It didnt go over my head, its not fucking applicable in this situation, and its just a pathetic attempt by you to justify acting like a bitch.
Its ok, youre a pansy, accept it and move on.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2012, 04:56:58 PM »
That's the very thing though. You can't really be sure of anything in a situation like that. Being a bitch doesn't necessarily mean that you'll live to tell the tale and neither does pulling a gun. Only way to settle this discussion is to bring up some REAL crime statistics. What IS more likely to happen? I could very well be wrong. But I think I'm not unwise to assume that robberies are way more common than robbery-murder. It's not an unreasonable assumption. Prove me wrong.
Funny you should mention this, cause this guy not only prevented a robbery by being brave but he also is responsible for bringing down the crime rate, the more people like this spring up into action the better the overall results are. Your logic is based on speculation that someone could have gotten hurt, how about speculating that if the guy had not have stopped them, these 2 guys would have been trigger happy and shot someone, who's to say, your logic is flawed.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2012, 04:58:12 PM »
It didnt go over my head, its not fucking applicable in this situation, and its just a pathetic attempt by you to justify acting like a bitch.
Its ok, youre a pansy, accept it and move on.

Well they both are different ways of dying with one being way more likely than the other, but for some reason you care A LOT more about the one that is LESS likely. Why? It couldn't possibly be pride, right?
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2012, 05:01:21 PM »
wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.

x2

Very bad decision to exchange shots with them, specially considering the old man was outnumbered and probably untrained as well in a territory packed with innocent people. Thank God the two robbers were such of a pussies, otherwise it would be blood bath.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2012, 05:01:45 PM »
Funny you should mention this, cause this guy not only prevented a robbery by being brave but he also is responsible for bringing down the crime rate, the more people like this spring up into action the better the overall results are. Your logic is based on speculation that someone could have gotten hurt, how about speculating that if the guy had not have stopped them, these 2 guys would have been trigger happy and shot someone, who's to say, your logic is flawed.

Again, there are no certainties when it comes to these type of situations. But just consider the robbery to robbery-murder ratio, assuming that the victim does nothing to fight back in both categories. Which one happens more frequently if you were to make an educated guess?

The discussion have come to the point where only real solid statistics can advice us on what actions are likely to lead to certain outcomes. My own personal guess is just as worthless as anyone else's here.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2012, 05:02:17 PM »
Well they both are different ways of dying with one being way more likely than the other, but for some reason you care A LOT more about the one that is LESS likely. Why? It couldn't possibly be pride, right?
Lol @ pride. No, when someone is robbing you with a firearm, the chance he's going to blast you is always there. If I have the opportunity to kill him 1st, Im going to. Why? To DENY him the opportunity to kill me.
You'd be happy standing there giving him every opportunity to kill.

Not me.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2012, 05:03:43 PM »

Your ' argument ' was just proven to be null and void , watch the video again. Your ' argument ' laments on how someone who doesn't want to take a chance with his life is putting people at risk while the guys who initiated the whole scenario aren't as long as we play the odds  ::)

You're making excuses for the criminals are accusing the one guy who did something about as reckless and irresponsible , fantastic logic.  ::) you're using examples of what could have happened instead of what did  ::)  ::)



My argument is the guy in the video did nothing wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.

To be quite honest, I thought that you'd realize by now that the discussion is more a general one and doesn't entirely depend on the what happened in the video.

But sure, all went "well" in that video. Great. I'll admit that.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2012, 05:03:58 PM »
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Very bad decision, specially considering the old man was outnumbered and probably untrained as well in a territory packed with innocent people. Thank God the two robbers were such of a pussies, otherwise it would be blood bath.

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Actually, he made a great choice. One was preoccupied, the other was trying to cover a roomful of people at once. Wait till he's looking the other way, draw and aim, fire, knock down one and move to the next.
What he did was textbook perfect.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2012, 05:04:49 PM »
Lol @ pride. No, when someone is robbing you with a firearm, the chance he's going to blast you is always there. If I have the opportunity to kill him 1st, Im going to. Why? To DENY him the opportunity to kill me.
You'd be happy standing there giving him every opportunity to kill.

Not me.

Maybe it's just my poor communication skills causing it but you're still not getting the argument.
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