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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2012, 05:07:13 PM »
Maybe it's just my poor communication skills causing it but you're still not getting the argument.

dont waste time with people that dont believe in simple math.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2012, 05:09:38 PM »
Again, there are no certainties when it comes to these type of situations. But just consider the robbery to robbery-murder ratio, assuming that the victim does nothing to fight back in both categories. Which one happens more frequently if you were to make an educated guess?

The discussion have come to the point where only real solid statistics can advice us on what actions are likely to lead to certain outcomes. My own personal guess is just as worthless as anyone else's here.
I agree in 1 single robbery that statistic can be measured in your favour, however there are more variables to consider here, how about if this is their 7th arm robbery, do you think they will ever do another one?, No fucken way, so say in their lifetime they would have done another ten, so this guy just prevented another 10 robberies. Now let's compare what is more likely; someone gets hurt in 1 robbery that has a guy fight back or someone gets hurt in 10 robberies where no one fights back, I think the 10 robberies would yield more potential harm.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2012, 05:12:43 PM »

Your ' argument ' was just proven to be null and void , watch the video again. Your ' argument ' laments on how someone who doesn't want to take a chance with his life is putting people at risk while the guys who initiated the whole scenario aren't as long as we play the odds  ::)

You're making excuses for the criminals are accusing the one guy who did something about as reckless and irresponsible , fantastic logic.  ::) you're using examples of what could have happened instead of what did  ::)  ::)



My argument is the guy in the video did nothing wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.

Most of this post is just us running around in circles but I will point out that the robbers didn't shoot or seriously hurt anyone. The old guy DID, though. That doesn't mean that robbers aren't scumbags though, you know very well I'm not that fucking dumb so don't go there.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2012, 05:14:21 PM »
Have you guys ever been robbed? It's way different than what it's shown on TV and trying to be an hero is def stupid. You'll be safer if they get the money and run away, rather than acting like a brave moron.


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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2012, 05:15:01 PM »
I agree in 1 single robbery that statistic can be measured in your favour, however there are more variables to consider here, how about if this is their 7th arm robbery, do you think they will ever do another one?, No fucken way, so say in their lifetime they would have done another ten, so this guy just prevented another 10 robberies. Now let's compare what is more likely; someone gets hurt in 1 robbery that has a guy fight back or someone gets hurt in 10 robberies where no one fights back, I think the 10 robberies would yield more potential harm.

You may not like it, but the job of preventing those crimes belongs to the society bringing those thugs up, and the police. Your argument kinda makes sense at first glance but when you think about it you realize it's quite unreasonable to suggest that people should start executing each other in order to prevent "potential" crime.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2012, 05:23:11 PM »
Have you guys ever been robbed? It's way different than what it's shown on TV and trying to be an hero is def stupid. You'll be safer if they get the money and run away, rather than acting like a brave moron.


Have you? I have, by someone with a knife, and they didnt get anything. Not because I pulled my gun (as I didnt have it on me, never again), but because I stood my ground and refused to give him shit.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2012, 05:25:30 PM »
I'll bend over any day of the week if it means that myself and others are less likely to get fucking shot.

Trigger-happy morons.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2012, 05:25:54 PM »
Most of this post is just us running around in circles but I will point out that the robbers didn't shoot or seriously hurt anyone. The old guy DID, though. That doesn't mean that robbers aren't scumbags though, you know very well I'm not that fucking dumb so don't go there.
The dude shot 2 robbers, who fucking cares. Playing by your "what ifs", if he hadn't shot them, maybe they would have shot someone else and KILLED them? What then?
We could go round and round.

We get it, you prefer to let them do their business and hope they arent psychopaths - and thats your choice. Im not going to do that, statistics be damned.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2012, 05:32:14 PM »
They didn't have time  ;)

*sigh*

Neither you or I know what would have happened if the old fart didn't whip out a gun. Don't pretend like you do. It's not even an argument. The robbery to robbery-murder ratio is definitely something to consider, though.

You come across as a good and smart guy in every other thread but right now you seem like a stubborn idiot to me and I'm sure it's also the other way around to you. I'm going to bed now which is probably for the better.

Lets just hope that none of us will find ourselves in a spot where we have to make a life and death decision in a split second.... It's not fun, no matter where you're coming from.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2012, 05:33:42 PM »
There was NO ' potential ' crime there was in fact a very major and serious crime being committed , Armed robbery is MAJOR shit and again wait for the cops and become a statistic or be proactive and learn to protect yourself

 

You do what is necessary in the here and now, any consideration of any potential future crimes should not be a factor in your decision to shoot them or not. Do you honestly think I'm retarded? It's fine if you think I'm are, I'm just trying to understand your thought process trying to argue with me.
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2012, 05:36:35 PM »
Have you? I have, by someone with a knife, and they didnt get anything. Not because I pulled my gun (as I didnt have it on me, never again), but because I stood my ground and refused to give him shit.



I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea IMO. And yeah I've been robbed, two guys robbed my motorcycle and being aimed with huge revolver at your chest it's not pretty, but having a gun at that moment would have meant that any of us could have been killed or seriously wounded. I'm not taking that chance, but remember we are talking about robbing.

It sucks, but I'd rather lose something material than being shooted, and sadly I know what a serious injury feels like. Money can't buy your health back. IMO It's safer  to do nothing.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2012, 05:40:19 PM »

I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea IMO. And yeah I've been robbed, two guys robbed my motorcycle and being aimed with huge revolver at your chest it's not pretty, but having a gun at that moment would have meant that any of us could have been killed or seriously wounded. I'm not taking that chance, but remember we are talking about robbing.

It sucks, but I'd rather lose something material than being shooted, and sadly I know what a serious injury feels like. Money can't buy your health back. IMO It's safer  to do nothing.
I know it was a terrible idea, but thats how I handled it. Fight or flight reaction, I guess.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2012, 05:53:08 PM »
VERY rarely do you see bad guys in Florida come running into a place with guns, shouting at a crowd.  Too many people with carry perrmits who will just start shooting.


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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2012, 06:31:55 PM »
well, truth be told way too many idiots with guns roaming the streets. but fuck would I LOVE to be in a situation where I happened to be packin and some motherfuckers tried to rob me or a store I was in like the old timer. \... A dream come true, just to see the look on their face hahahahahah priceless.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2012, 06:33:35 PM »
go down fighting on your feet not on your knees.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2012, 06:34:47 PM »
wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.

That's very immature and foolish. 

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2012, 06:36:28 PM »
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2012, 07:27:09 PM »
VERY rarely do you see bad guys in Florida come running into a place with guns, shouting at a crowd.  Too many people with carry perrmits who will just start shooting.

Crime rates are shown to drop in CCW states aren't they.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2012, 07:59:18 PM »
When are you trigger-happy morons going to realize that it's all about random chance and probabilities? Just because you try to be a hero doesn't necessarily mean you'll be considered one after it's all said and done. The robbery in the video could have gone either way. If those robbers were on drugs or just more aggressive a lot of people could have been fucking killed thanks to that old fart. If he wouldn't have whipped his gun out the robbers most likely would have taken the stuff they wanted and then left.

It's not about who's the victim or the bitch, honestly who gives a flying fuck about that when it comes to human lives being at risk? It's so obvious that you guys are thinking with your BALLS and then use your brains to construct some delusional self-serving arguments to make your balls even bigger.

The robbers don't give a shit about my rights? Fine, they can have my wallet, I don't care.



Did you shitstain know that people who carry weapons actually spend a lot of time training with them and are taught how to use them in different environments, their ballistic, penetration capacities thru different obstacles etc. Obviously not. Cause you re a cock sucking homosexual. Just because you wouldnt be able to do shit with a handgun doesnt mean those who carry them dont.
A gun is just like a knife, an axe, car, stone or a fucking stick, it's a tool. How it's going to be used solely depend of what is in the mind of the human that carries it.

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Again, attempting to shoot down TWO armed robbers in a building full of innocent people is nothing but sheer stupidity.
only one had a handgun that could be fake and recognized as being so easily for a trained eye especially at close range, and the other only carried a fucking lame baseball bat. Get the fuck out of this thread, you re making no sense at all.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2012, 08:06:05 PM »
is that 9mm bullets btw?

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2012, 08:32:00 PM »
Did you shitstain know that people who carry weapons actually spend a lot of time training with them and are taught how to use them in different environments, their ballistic, penetration capacities thru different obstacles etc. Obviously not. Cause you re a cock sucking homosexual. Just because you wouldnt be able to do shit with a handgun doesnt mean those who carry them dont.
A gun is just like a knife, an axe, car, stone or a fucking stick, it's a tool. How it's going to be used solely depend of what is in the mind of the human that carries it.
 only one had a handgun that could be fake and recognized as being so easily for a trained eye especially at close range, and the other only carried a fucking lame baseball bat. Get the fuck out of this thread, you re making no sense at all.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2012, 08:34:24 PM »
the funny thing in those real life shooting videos...

1) how often people take false cover, like hiding behind a glass shelf.

2) how often the shooter doesn't realize it's false cover, and will fail to shoot thru it.

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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2012, 09:52:17 PM »

I'm sorry but that's a horrible idea IMO. And yeah I've been robbed, two guys robbed my motorcycle and being aimed with huge revolver at your chest it's not pretty, but having a gun at that moment would have meant that any of us could have been killed or seriously wounded. I'm not taking that chance, but remember we are talking about robbing.

It sucks, but I'd rather lose something material than being shooted, and sadly I know what a serious injury feels like. Money can't buy your health back. IMO It's safer  to do nothing.

Why aren't you guys calling el numero a giant pussy? What a fag he is for not fighting back, right?
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Re: Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2012, 10:05:50 PM »
I'm trying to find some real statistics on this issue and came across this from the FBI website:

"Injuries, Deaths, and Hostages Taken

Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage.
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http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics-2011/bank-crime-statistics-2011

Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is.






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I'm not sure if the author of this article has any particular bias when it comes to guns but I found this to be interesting:

"Simple Survival Steps

To make the best of a bad situation, think along the following lines:

My money is insured, the only thing at risk is my safety (see below)
Let the guy have what he wants, the sooner he gets it the sooner he’ll go away
He’s probably done this before or he’ll do it again – the more often he does it the better his chances of getting caught
Although it may be difficult to control your anger in such a situation (after all, you have to work for a living don’t you?), the best thing is to just get the robber out of there so that everybody is safe. Desperation leads to bank robberies, and you don’t want to mess with a desperate and scared person.


Bank Robbery Heroes

Every law enforcement official will tell you the same thing: the most heroic act you should take in a bank robbery is noticing any details about the robber. You should not try to stop the robbery by force. Keep in mind that an increasing number of bank robbers are using powerful drugs (cocaine and methamphetamine) during the time of the robbery. You don’t want to take chances with an intoxicated person in a desperate situation – it’s simply not worth all of the money in the world.

If you notice that a bank robbery is in progress, simply get some details on the robber that you can pass on to the police. Some helpful information:

Clothing – look for layers under the visible layer (the outer layer will come off)
Physical characteristics – height, weight, eyes, hair, mannerisms, scars/tattoos
Automobile description (not the most important since it’s probably stolen)
Direction of travel
Weapons – the police need to know if the robber is armed
Remember that the bank robber is trying to avoid getting caught, and he probably knows what you’re looking for. Therefore, do not stare at a bank robber. In fact, it’s best not to attract any attention to yourself. Simply follow instructions so that the robber can get out of there as soon as possible. Law enforcement will pursue the robber. Agitating a bank robber can result in harm to yourself and/or others.
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http://banking.about.com/od/securityandsafety/a/bankrobbery.htm
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