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« Reply #600 on: July 22, 2012, 07:20:13 AM »
AN ACT TO PROVIDE WHEN A PERSON MAY USE  DEFENSIVE FORCE AND  TO
AMEND VARIOUS LAWS REGARDING THE RIGHT TO OWN, POSSESS, OR
CARRY A FIREARM IN NORTH CAROLINA.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:
SECTION 1.    Article 14 of Chapter 14 of the General Statutes is amended by
adding the following new sections to read:
"§ 14-51.2.  Home, workplace, and motor vehicle protection; presumption of fear of death
or serious bodily harm.
(a) The following definitions apply in this section:
(1) Home.  – A building or conveyance of any kind, to include its curtilage,
whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or
immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed  as a
temporary or permanent residence.
(2) Law enforcement officer.  – Any person employed or appointed as a
full-time, part-time, or auxiliary law enforcement officer, correctional
officer, probation officer, post-release supervision officer, or parole officer.
(3) Motor vehicle. – As defined in G.S. 20-4.01(23).
(4) Workplace. – A building or conveyance of any kind, whether the building or
conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a
roof over it, including a tent, which is being used for commercial purposes.
(b) The lawful occupant of a home, motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to have
held a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily harm to himself or herself or another
when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to
another if both of the following apply:
(1) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of
unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a
home, motor vehicle, or workplace, or if that person had removed or was
attempting to remove another against that person's will from the  home,
motor vehicle, or workplace.
(2) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an
unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or
had occurred.
(c) The presumption set forth in subsection (b) of this section shall be rebuttable and
does not apply in any of the following circumstances:
(1) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or
is a lawful resident of the  home, motor vehicle, or workplace, such as an
owner or lessee, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic
violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that
person.
(2) The person sought to be removed  from the  home, motor vehicle, or
workplace is a child or grandchild or is otherwise in the lawful custody or
under the lawful guardianship of the person against whom the defensive
force is used.
(3) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in, attempting to escape
from, or using the home, motor vehicle, or workplace to further any criminal
offense that involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against
any individual.

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Re: LUNATIC OPENS FIRE AT BATMAN PREMIER IN DENVER
« Reply #601 on: July 22, 2012, 07:24:00 AM »
Sure you have when you assumed they might just be shooting at a door  ::) or assumed we don't know their intentions.

I don't have to know , and again how do you know they weren't? and it doesn't matter either way because the law allows you do defend yourself in this type of situation , the LAW assumes anyone running at you firing a gun is an imminent threat , so you're fuck either way.  ;)

Wrong see above , legally anyone invading your home firing a weapon is assumed a threat. regardless of what their ' true intentions ' might be



I'm just going to reproduce my previous post, since you've regressed to childish levels and just repeat yourself ignoratio elenchi

get help, OCD is not a way to live.

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I haven't been assuming shit, gramps- you started this, remember?

Haha nice inversion- except that's not all there was into it, was it?

Again, how do you know these guys were shooting to kill? You keep evading this in every possible way.

You don't know, you just made it up. Because it serves your purpose. Because you own a gun. And you just have to be right on this  ::)

Haha, wanker.

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Re: LUNATIC OPENS FIRE AT BATMAN PREMIER IN DENVER
« Reply #602 on: July 22, 2012, 07:24:26 AM »
Nothing wrong with ad-hominem. Some people just ask for it. Schmoes will get it from me in every way.

Again, ND.

Have you ever been in a firefight?

Do paper targets shoot back?



Sure there is , it shows you have nothing to work with , like your ignorance on what an ' automatic assault rife ' is or when called on your bullshit looking to divert the topic away to irrelevant topics , you have nothing , you're very boring and unoriginal

And you already know the answer add rhetorical questions to your list of fails. 

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« Reply #603 on: July 22, 2012, 07:25:49 AM »
(4) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement
officer  or bail bondsman  who enters or attempts to enter a  home, motor
vehicle, or workplace in the lawful performance of his or her official duties,
and the officer or bail bondsman identified himself or herself in accordance
with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should
have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law
enforcement officer or bail bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her
official duties.
(5) The person against whom the defensive force is used (i) has discontinued all
efforts to unlawfully and forcefully enter the  home, motor vehicle, or
workplace and (ii) has exited the home, motor vehicle, or workplace.
(d) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's home,
motor vehicle, or workplace is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful
act involving force or violence.
(e) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force
and  is  immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person
against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully
acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer  or bail bondsman
identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force
knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail
bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties.
(f) A lawful occupant within his or her home, motor vehicle, or workplace does not
have a duty to retreat from an intruder in the circumstances described in this section.
(g) This section is not intended to repeal or limit any other defense that may exist under
the common law.
"§ 14-51.3.  Use of force in defense of person; relief from criminal or civil liability.
(a) A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to
the extent that the person reasonably believes that the conduct is necessary to defend himself or
herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is
justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat in any place he or she has
the lawful right to be if either of the following applies:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent
imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another.
(2) Under the circumstances permitted pursuant to G.S. 14-51.2.
(b) A person who uses force as permitted by this section is justified in using such force
and  is  immune from civil or criminal liability for the use of such force, unless the person
against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer or bail bondsman who was lawfully
acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer or bail bondsman
identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force
knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer or bail
bondsman in the lawful performance of his or her official duties.
"§ 14-51.4.  Justification for defensive force not available.
The justification described in  G.S. 14-51.2 and  G.S. 14-51.3 is not available to a person
who used defensive force and who:
(1) Was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of
a felony.
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself. However, the
person who initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself will
be justified in using defensive force if either of the following occur:
a. The force used by the person who was provoked is so serious that the
person using defensive force reasonably believes that he or she was
in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, the person using
defensive force had no reasonable means to retreat,  and the use of
force which is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to the
person who was provoked was the only way to escape the danger.
b. The person who used defensive force withdraws, in good faith, from
physical contact with the  person who was provoked, and indicates
clearly that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of SL2011-0268 Session Law 2011-268 Page 3
force, but the person who was provoked continues or resumes the use
of force."

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Re: LUNATIC OPENS FIRE AT BATMAN PREMIER IN DENVER
« Reply #604 on: July 22, 2012, 07:26:04 AM »
Sure there is , it shows you have nothing to work with , like your ignorance on what an ' automatic assault rife ' is or when called on your bullshit looking to divert the topic away to irrelevant topics , you have nothing , you're very boring and unoriginal

And you already know the answer add rhetorical questions to your list of fails. 

Nevermind my "fails", have you ever fired at anything other than a paper target? If not, what exactly qualifies you to give insight into real life gunfight scenarios?

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« Reply #605 on: July 22, 2012, 07:26:48 AM »
In NC you don`t have to figure out what they are intending to shoot or where.  You can blast them freely. 

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« Reply #606 on: July 22, 2012, 07:27:20 AM »
ND here's a terrorist for you. Quick shoot him down!!!

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« Reply #607 on: July 22, 2012, 07:28:30 AM »
Look ND, a hoodie! Pull out your "automatic assault rifle", big man!


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« Reply #608 on: July 22, 2012, 07:28:52 AM »
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-justifiable-homicides-rise-with-Castle-3676412.php

Texas justifiable homicides rise with 'Castle Doctrine'
By Yang Wang and Dane Schiller
Updated 09:12 a.m., Monday, July 2, 2012


For $20.29 stolen from the tip jar of a Houston taco truck, 24-year-old Benito Pantoja was shot with a .357 Colt and killed.

The owner of Tacos Del Indio, parked near the Ship Channel, ran him down as he tried to escape with the cash, fired into the getaway car and hit Pantoja in the back.

The death was ruled a justifiable homicide
, one of 48 involving citizens across Texas in 2010, with 27 in Houston, according to a Houston Chronicle analysis of FBI data.

Since Texas in 2007 expanded its "Castle Doctrine" - in some states known as "Stand Your Ground" - justifiable killings have steadily increased, from 32 statewide in 2006 to 48 in the 2010, the Chronicle's review shows.

Texas law always has allowed deadly force against intruders and thieves to protect lives and property, but where it once required a duty to try to retreat if possible when facing imminent danger, it no longer does.

"Traditionally, if you felt your life was threatened, you could use deadly force to protect yourself, except if you could get away safely where nobody got hurt, then you were required to do that," said Sandra Thompson, a professor at the University of Houston Law Center.

The law always has allowed deadly force to protect your property, even $20.29 from a tip jar.

"Even if somebody is just stealing from your front yard, and they are not threatening anybody, (and) there's no threat of being hurt at all, you can kill them, if it's reasonably necessary protecting your property," Thompson added.

Killings by civilians long have piqued national outcries over the use of deadly force and whether it was necessary - or feigned to be necessary - to protect lives or property. Few have reached the fevered pitch of former neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman's killing of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed Florida teenager as he walked to his cousin's house. Zimmerman, who was indicted, claims he was in fear for his life.

A range of emotions

About half of the killings in Texas occurred in the greater Houston area, the state's largest metropolis. Dallas, with nine, and San Antonio, with eight, also showed increases.

"Things police can't shoot you for, your fellow citizens can," said Marsha McCartney of the Texas Chapter of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "This is just appalling."

Clashes with adrenaline flowing and deadly consequences leave a range of emotions in the aftermath; relatives of the dead question the bloodshed; those who did the killing wrestle with remorse, even if they had the right to use deadly force.

"I hate that the guy's life was taken, I really do," said Rodrick Batiste, a longshoreman who bolted awake when someone tripped his burglar alarm by kicking in the French doors to his backyard. "I try and tell people with the 'You should have shot him again' attitude, that it is not really what you think. If you haven't been there before, you don't know what type of feelings overtake you.

"It changed me. There is nothing cool about taking somebody's life."

On a dark winter morning, a naked Batiste grabbed his .38-caliber revolver from his bedside and charged to confront the home invader who was trying to steal his flat-screen television.

"Although I have all kinds of remorse, that doesn't change the world," Batiste said. "This type (of) thing is still out there, and you should be able to defend yourself and your property without the risk of turning into a victim, if not by the person trying to victimize you, then by the law."

Texas law goes further than other states in allowing deadly force not only to protect property, but also to stop rape, arson, burglary, robbery, theft at night and criminal mischief at night.

Castle Doctrine

A grand jury in Lavaca County in June declined to indict a 5-year-old girl's father who found a man molesting her behind a barn in Shiner - and beat him to death. The father, the grand jury determined, was within his right to use deadly force to protect his daughter.

In Houston early Friday, a 19-year-old convenience store clerk shot and killed a 52-year-old man who stole beer, according to police. The matter remains under investigation, but the clerk was not arrested.

In Texas and elsewhere, each time someone is shot dead with a claim of self-defense, a grand jury must decide if an indictment is warranted. However, deliberations by grand juries are secret and the basis of their decisions is seldom public.

The Chronicle also examined times of death, gender and race of both the shooters and the dead. Citizen shootings most often happen after dark, and involve a male shooting a handgun during a home invasion.

The person doing the killing is most often a minority, as is the person killed, according to the Chronicle analysis.

But the exchanges play out in an array of settings: From the taco truck parked on the corner of a street packed with tiny cantinas to the outside of a liquor store in Montrose, from the bedroom of a one-story house in northwest Houston to a gentrifying neighborhood northeast of downtown where townhouses tower over decaying shacks.

"The Castle Doctrine is now the law, and this is Texas," said Harris County District Attorney Pat Lykos. "If someone is invading your home or your place of business, you should not be obligated to retreat.

"At the same time, people should never seek a confrontation," she said.

'A losing situation'

Mark Brown had just returned home from a morning trip to the grocery store when he realized his home was being burglarized. He grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun, headed to the bedroom, where he saw his rings, watches, cuff links and bracelets piled in the middle of a bed. He heard a noise in the closet behind the closed door and fired one shot. As the thief pushed the door open, Brown fired off more blasts, killing the man. Holes were blown in the wall behind the body, blood splattered on clothes in the closet.

"It was a horrible experience, I just want to put it behind me," Brown said. "I hated it happened. For him, it wasn't worth it. For me, it wasn't worth it - a losing situation for both people."

Brown even had a note by his back windows warning would-be burglars. "My neighborhood was getting rough. I was giving people a warning that whatever was going to happen, was going to happen," he said.

Emotions also run raw for those who lose family.

"Nobody knows what happened because my son has already gone," said Edyth Moss, the mother of David McDaniel, who was shot and killed by a cab driver during a fight touched off by an argument over change.

"But they know he didn't have a weapon. He didn't have a knife. He didn't have a gun."

Texas Rep. Garnet Coleman is among a handful of lawmakers who voted against the Castle Law amendment back in 2007. He calls it the "shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later" law.

"Some people call them 'justifiable homicide,' but it's not justifiable, it's the law (that) made something that's wrong legal," Coleman said.

Batiste, who shot the man who broke into his townhouse, said he's prayed a lot about what happened and has considered reaching out to the dead man's family.

"I'd just tell them I am sorry for their loss, I didn't mean for it to go that way," he said. "I did want to stop him from doing what he was doing. I did not mean to take his life."

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Re: LUNATIC OPENS FIRE AT BATMAN PREMIER IN DENVER
« Reply #609 on: July 22, 2012, 07:30:25 AM »
I wrote that in response to ND's quote:

"here's a hint when people are firing a gun at you they don't care if you live of die.  :D"

I assume a person qualified to make such a statement about what people mean to do when firing guns in general directions, must at least have some real world gun fight experience... no?

Or maybe you cunts have been watching too many John Wayne movies

Totally irrelevant. The law allows people to defend themselves others and their homes from armed invaders

And dummy firing a gun into a persons house while perpetrating a home invasion and isn't shooting ' in a general direction '

Keep trying to talk about what is viewed as criminal intent in a country you don't live in , I enjoy seeing you dig yourself deeper and deeper  ;D

   

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« Reply #610 on: July 22, 2012, 07:32:13 AM »
Totally irrelevant. The law allows people to defend themselves others and their homes from armed invaders

And dummy firing a gun into a persons house while perpetrating a home invasion and isn't shooting ' in a general direction '

Keep trying to talk about what is viewed as criminal intent in a country you don't live in , I enjoy seeing you dig yourself deeper and deeper  ;D

   
In States like mine and Texas, they don`t even have to threaten you for you to be able to shoot and kill them.  If they are taking anything out of your yard, you have full right to shoot them, no questions asked.

Its really a good law and has really done a lot to curtail theft and home invasions.

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« Reply #611 on: July 22, 2012, 07:33:58 AM »
Nevermind my "fails", have you ever fired at anything other than a paper target? If not, what exactly qualifies you to give insight into real life gunfight scenarios?

Hahahaha says the hypocrite who is doing the same thing as I am yet bitching about me doing it. kid keep trying you're doing a fantastic job at ice-skating up-hill.  ;D


A group of guys all dressed up in masks drive up to a guys house get out start their home invasion by shooting into a house but it's wrong to assume what their intentions are LMMFAO




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« Reply #612 on: July 22, 2012, 07:36:07 AM »
Hahahaha says the hypocrite who is doing the same thing as I am yet bitching about me doing it. kid keep trying you're doing a fantastic job at ice-skating up-hill.  ;D
A group of guys all dressed up in masks drive up to a guys house get out start their home invasion by shooting into a house but it's wrong to assume what their intentions are LMMFAO

Hahahhaha, Still not answering the question.

Have you ever been in a gunfight? I'm assuming by the insight you've given into this whole thing that you surely must have. You know exactly what the criminals wanted to do and exactly what the appropriate response of the owner should have been!

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« Reply #613 on: July 22, 2012, 07:36:19 AM »
Hahahaha says the hypocrite who is doing the same thing as I am yet bitching about me doing it. kid keep trying you're doing a fantastic job at ice-skating up-hill.  ;D


A group of guys all dressed up in masks drive up to a guys house get out start their home invasion by shooting into a house but it's wrong to assume what their intentions are LMMFAO




In NC just like in Texas, the moment they entered your yard, you could have shot them one by one and be protected by Castle Doctrine.  Doesn`t matter if they have guns drawn or any weapons at all. This totally invalidates Raymondo`s arguments.  

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« Reply #614 on: July 22, 2012, 07:37:31 AM »
Hahahhaha, Still not answering the question.

Have you ever been in a gunfight? I'm assuming by the insight you've given into this whole thing that you surely must have. You know exactly what the criminals wanted to do and exactly what the appropriate response of the owner should have been!

Legally, you don`t have to know what a criminal intends to do in order to shoot them.  Don`t you understand that?

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« Reply #615 on: July 22, 2012, 07:37:44 AM »
In NC just like in Texas, the moment they entered your yard, you could have shot them one by one and be protected by Castle Doctrine.  Doesn`t matter if they have guns drawn or any weapons at all. This totally invalidates Raymondo`s arguments.  

I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.

Brutal reasoning powers  ;D


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« Reply #616 on: July 22, 2012, 07:38:09 AM »
I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.

Brutal reasoning powers  ;D


Arizona also has Castle Doctrine so your argument is still totally irrelevant.

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« Reply #617 on: July 22, 2012, 07:39:11 AM »
Legally, you don`t have to know what a criminal intends to do in order to shoot them.  Don`t you understand that?

For the third time... I'm not saying anything againt the owner shooting at those people.

I was just curious as to how Delusional Nutsack knew exactly what they wanted to do!

Why do you keep changing the subject?

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« Reply #618 on: July 22, 2012, 07:40:40 AM »
I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.

Brutal reasoning powers  ;D




http://azccwpermit.com/?cat=5

What is the "Castle Doctrine" and does it apply in Arizona?
January 19, 2010 Castle Doctrine, State Firearms Laws, Use of Force Issues No Comments
Question:  What is the “Castle Doctrine” and does it apply in Arizona?

Answer: The “Castle Doctrine” or “Defense of Habitation” laws are a legal concept that derive from English Common Law.  Under this concept, one’s place of residence is considered to be a place where a person is protected against illegal trespass and violent attack.  In most states, it provides for the legal right to use deadly force to defend one’s home and any innocent persons inside the home.  It also provides that this same deadly force can be used to defend against an illegal intrusion into the home that may lead to a violent attack.

In Arizona, we do have a “Castle Doctrine”.  It applies to a person’s residence or workplace, which may be either permanent or temporary.  The doctrine would apply not only to your permanent home, but would also apply to a hotel room that you might be temporarily treating as “home”.  In Arizona, the doctrine extends to your vehicle as well, if an attempt is being made to remove you from your vehicle by force.

Some have referred to this doctrine as the “Make My Day Law”.  This reference comes from the 1983 movie “Sudden Impact” and was part of a challenge delivered to a criminal about to be apprehended by Detective Harry Callahan, a character in the movie played by Clint Eastwood.

In general, the following conditions must apply if the Castle Doctrine is to be used in claiming justifiable homicide:

The intruder must be attempting to or have made unlawful and forcible entry into an occupied home, business or vehicle.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that the intruder is entering with the intention of committing a felony crime such as burglary.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that they are in danger of serious injury or death at the hands of the intruder.
The occupants must be innocent of any provocation and cannot have instigated the intrusion or initiated the event by a threat of deadly force.
Some states have stronger laws supporting a Castle Doctrine, while others have weaker ones.  Arizona has a strong Castle Law and follows the conditions above in applying their law.  Additionally, in Arizona, a person is legally able to “stand their ground” in the face of an attack and is under no obligation to retreat prior to using deadly force in self defense.

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« Reply #619 on: July 22, 2012, 07:41:45 AM »
I thought the shootout in the video happened in Arizona. Not Texas or NC.

Brutal reasoning powers  ;D




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« Reply #620 on: July 22, 2012, 07:42:05 AM »
Arizona also has Castle Doctrine so your argument is still totally irrelevant.

My argument wasn't about whether the owner was within his rights to shoot those people. HTH.

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« Reply #621 on: July 22, 2012, 07:42:58 AM »

http://azccwpermit.com/?cat=5

What is the "Castle Doctrine" and does it apply in Arizona?
January 19, 2010 Castle Doctrine, State Firearms Laws, Use of Force Issues No Comments
Question:  What is the “Castle Doctrine” and does it apply in Arizona?

Answer: The “Castle Doctrine” or “Defense of Habitation” laws are a legal concept that derive from English Common Law.  Under this concept, one’s place of residence is considered to be a place where a person is protected against illegal trespass and violent attack.  In most states, it provides for the legal right to use deadly force to defend one’s home and any innocent persons inside the home.  It also provides that this same deadly force can be used to defend against an illegal intrusion into the home that may lead to a violent attack.

In Arizona, we do have a “Castle Doctrine”.  It applies to a person’s residence or workplace, which may be either permanent or temporary.  The doctrine would apply not only to your permanent home, but would also apply to a hotel room that you might be temporarily treating as “home”.  In Arizona, the doctrine extends to your vehicle as well, if an attempt is being made to remove you from your vehicle by force.

Some have referred to this doctrine as the “Make My Day Law”.  This reference comes from the 1983 movie “Sudden Impact” and was part of a challenge delivered to a criminal about to be apprehended by Detective Harry Callahan, a character in the movie played by Clint Eastwood.

In general, the following conditions must apply if the Castle Doctrine is to be used in claiming justifiable homicide:

The intruder must be attempting to or have made unlawful and forcible entry into an occupied home, business or vehicle.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that the intruder is entering with the intention of committing a felony crime such as burglary.
The occupants must have a reasonable belief that they are in danger of serious injury or death at the hands of the intruder.
The occupants must be innocent of any provocation and cannot have instigated the intrusion or initiated the event by a threat of deadly force.
Some states have stronger laws supporting a Castle Doctrine, while others have weaker ones.  Arizona has a strong Castle Law and follows the conditions above in applying their law.  Additionally, in Arizona, a person is legally able to “stand their ground” in the face of an attack and is under no obligation to retreat prior to using deadly force in self defense.

My argument wasn't about whether the owner was within his rights to shoot those people. HTH.

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« Reply #622 on: July 22, 2012, 07:43:34 AM »


Don't change the subject. Of course he was within his rights to shoot home invades. It wasn't my point at all.

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« Reply #623 on: July 22, 2012, 07:44:46 AM »
Don't change the subject. Of course he was within his rights to shoot home invades. It wasn't my point at all.
Then precisely what the fuck is your argument?

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« Reply #624 on: July 22, 2012, 07:44:53 AM »
TA, I see you keep deleting and modifying your posts.

Are you sweating while you're doing this?