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« Reply #700 on: July 23, 2012, 07:20:20 AM »
I agree he makes a lot of sense but let's not forget that it's a messed up situation to be in... Why take pride in so destructive...? I'm not saying he does but several posters here certainly are.

Sacrifices have to be made for real freedom. It's sad but true. I couldn't live anywhere but the U.S.
You're more likely to be struck by lightening then killed in one of these mass shootings.

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« Reply #701 on: July 23, 2012, 07:21:25 AM »
I agree he makes a lot of sense but let's not forget that it's a messed up situation to be in... Why take pride in so destructive...? I'm not saying he does but several posters here certainly are.

very true this is why i said it will never change...

.. reffering to the part in bold.... I personally thinks its because a good percentage of them are scared.... without the guns... then they are victims..... the gun offers security.....
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« Reply #702 on: July 23, 2012, 07:37:14 AM »
We are humans and we fuck up alllll the time. There are plenty of people who are really dumb, irrational and angry who don't have criminal records. The majority of people are irrational and act out of character at times. We are not always in control think about belief in religion, gambling and ways people do really stupid things. Giving people access to guns whom will use on the basis of emotion rather than law enforcement is absolutely crazy. Legalize crystal meth while you are at it. Put it on your supermarket shelves so people can access it while they are in a manic state or in a somber.

Wouldn't make a difference.
People who want meth will get it anyway...

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« Reply #703 on: July 23, 2012, 07:41:34 AM »
Was there no people with "carry" permits in the theater???

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« Reply #704 on: July 23, 2012, 08:10:11 AM »
Wouldn't make a difference.
People who want meth will get it anyway...
Thats not my point at all.
People who really want guns get them also whether its illegal or not.

I was highlighting how peoples decisions differ during emotional and perhaps even intoxicated states.. Those decisions may not even be reflective of their personality at large.
 

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« Reply #705 on: July 23, 2012, 08:44:25 AM »
Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
 sofrep.com/ ^ | 23 July, 2012 | Brandon Webb


Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012


As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. So here goes…

Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target

When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.

Active Shooter Scenario Advice

Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.

Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.

For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.

In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.

Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.

How to use it in this situation?

I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”

Concealed Carry

If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.

Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.

Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.

For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.

Learn From an Expert

There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.

Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life

Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.

Don’t Be a Victim

Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.

The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.

A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.

My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.

-Brandon

Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations intelligence & security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”.

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« Reply #706 on: July 23, 2012, 08:55:21 AM »

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« Reply #707 on: July 23, 2012, 08:59:06 AM »
Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
 sofrep.com/ ^ | 23 July, 2012 | Brandon Webb


Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012


As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. So here goes…

Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target

When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.

Active Shooter Scenario Advice

Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.

Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.

For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.

In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.

Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.

How to use it in this situation?

I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”

Concealed Carry

If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.

Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.

Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.

For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.

Learn From an Expert

There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.

Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life

Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.

Don’t Be a Victim

Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.

The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.

A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.

My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.

-Brandon

Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations intelligence & security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”.


Those are some great tips but at the same time, can you imagine living life like that, always worried about potential terrorist attacks?
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« Reply #709 on: July 23, 2012, 10:19:57 AM »
Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
 sofrep.com/ ^ | 23 July, 2012 | Brandon Webb


Posted on Monday, July 23, 2012


As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. So here goes…

Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target

When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.

Active Shooter Scenario Advice

Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.

Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.

For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.

In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.

Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend 200+ lumens.

How to use it in this situation?

I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”

Concealed Carry

If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.

Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.

Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.

For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.

Learn From an Expert

There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.

Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life

Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.

Don’t Be a Victim

Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.

The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.

A great book I’d also recommend is, Escape The Wolf by Clinton Emerson.

My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.

-Brandon

Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations intelligence & security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”.


People like to read such stories to comfort them- makes them feel like you could actually do a lot to avoid or get out of situations like this when in reality there is very little you could do. That is sad, but that's the reality. People saying that more guns would help in these situations are wrong- it would result in even more complete chaos

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« Reply #710 on: July 23, 2012, 10:25:27 AM »
No relation...

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« Reply #711 on: July 23, 2012, 10:35:46 AM »
Sacrifices have to be made for real freedom. It's sad but true. I couldn't live anywhere but the U.S.
You're more likely to be struck by lightening then killed in one of these mass shootings.

But there is almost zero chance of being struck by lightening in a movie theater.

Same with shark bites.  Very rare for them to occur, but none at all by going to a movie.

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« Reply #712 on: July 23, 2012, 10:38:50 AM »
But there is almost zero chance of being struck by lightening in a movie theater.

Same with shark bites.  Very rare for them to occur, but none at all by going to a movie.


I would rather have that risk then have my right to bear arms taken away from me.

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« Reply #713 on: July 23, 2012, 10:45:00 AM »
I would rather have that risk then have my right to bear arms taken away from me.

I'd rather that you have to give up your semi-automatic guns or 100 round magazines.

I don't know that the framers of the Constitution wanted individuals to be able to literally mow down other people.   You realize the weapons that existed in 1790?


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« Reply #714 on: July 23, 2012, 10:46:15 AM »
I'd rather that you have to give up your semi-automatic guns or 100 round magazines.

I don't know that the framers of the Constitution wanted individuals to be able to literally mow down other people.   You realize the weapons that existed in 1790?



And if the British had semi auto AR-15s at thwe time, the founders would have said the same thing as that was the tech at the time. 

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« Reply #715 on: July 23, 2012, 10:49:42 AM »
I'd rather that you have to give up your semi-automatic guns or 100 round magazines.

I don't know that the framers of the Constitution wanted individuals to be able to literally mow down other people.   You realize the weapons that existed in 1790?



The police have them! The military have them! That's exactly the point of the second amendment my friend! The second amendment wasn't put in place just for hunting arms! It's to protect us from tyranny!

There's millions of responsible gun owners in America. Why should we be punished for a few nutcases. If anything make the punishment for the lunatics more severe!

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« Reply #716 on: July 23, 2012, 10:51:12 AM »
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« Reply #717 on: July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM »
And if the British had semi auto AR-15s at thwe time, the founders would have said the same thing as that was the tech at the time. 

Exactly. Retard liberal logic.

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« Reply #718 on: July 23, 2012, 10:57:29 AM »
For some people it seems like their guns are almost a phallic symbol

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« Reply #719 on: July 23, 2012, 11:03:48 AM »
For some people it seems like their guns are almost a phallic symbol

Guns are pretty awesome.

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« Reply #720 on: July 23, 2012, 11:08:41 AM »
Exactly. Retard liberal logic.

I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.  

You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.  

A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people.  The NRA can't find the nut-cases, so it's up to someone else to minimize the damage.


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« Reply #721 on: July 23, 2012, 11:10:36 AM »
For some people it seems like their guns are almost a phallic symbol

Yeah - lets trust the same govt who armed mexican drug cartels resulting in the deaths of 200 mexicans and 2 dead border agents to ban civilian owning of weapons. 

Sounds really smart right there.   ::)  ::)

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« Reply #722 on: July 23, 2012, 11:10:58 AM »
I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.  

You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.  

A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people.  If the NRA can't find the nut-cases, then it's up to someone else.


It's a slippery slope man. Gun control=not good. What's going to stop a lunatic from getting a hi cap mag even if it's illegal?

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« Reply #723 on: July 23, 2012, 11:11:04 AM »
I'm a conservative, but I don't see the point in needing that type of fire power.  

You can protect yourself with rifles and handguns.  

A person should have to do more than simply press a button to shoot dozens of people.  The NRA can't find the nut-cases, so it's up to someone else to minimize the damage.


They find the nutcases after a massacre or shooting

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« Reply #724 on: July 23, 2012, 11:11:59 AM »
They find the nutcases after a massacre or shooting

exactly.....