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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2012, 01:19:53 PM »

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Many things wrong with this post... First off, I have my degree in exercise science and am ACSM certified, and even I don't agree with this. One should know the difference in certification exams, certainly a NASM or ACSM certified trainer is more knowledgeable than an "easy certification" like ACE, etc. These exams require knowledge on ex. phys, anatomy and physiology, nutrition, etc. especially ACSM. However as far as a personal trainer goes, these bachelor required exams [NASM CSCS and ACSM CEP] are for people working with special demographics, ie high level elite athletes (CSCS) or moderate to severely compromised/diseased populations (CEP). They are almost no use to personal trainers helping able-bodied people lose weight and increase fitness. That's like saying you need a BA in Chemistry to bake a cake.

A well rounded personal trainer with the body to prove it is usually all people need. The entire personal training system is essentially more therapy and lifestyle coaching than actual training. 2 hours with a personal trainer out of 168 hour week is essentially irrelevant as far as calorie burning goes, but what you can learn in the 2 hours is more significant. So understanding the physiological actions of actin-myosin proteins in the muscle and changes to muscle fiber types in a periodization seasoned protocol is fucking pointless.

And 2-3 certifications? That's pointless as fuck as well, and proves you know nothing about what you're speaking of. 2-3 certifications just means 2-3 more fees you pay, nothing else.

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2012, 01:21:26 PM »



Many things wrong with this post... First off, I have my degree in exercise science and am ACSM certified, and even I don't agree with this. One should know the difference in certification exams, certainly a NASM or ACSM certified trainer is more knowledgeable than an "easy certification" like ACE, etc. These exams require knowledge on ex. phys, anatomy and physiology, nutrition, etc. especially ACSM. However as far as a personal trainer goes, these bachelor required exams [NASM CSCS and ACSM CEP] are for people working with special demographics, ie high level elite athletes (CSCS) or moderate to severely compromised/diseased populations (CEP). They are almost no use to personal trainers helping able-bodied people lose weight and increase fitness. That's like saying you need a BA in Chemistry to bake a cake.

A well rounded personal trainer with the body to prove it is usually all people need. The entire personal training system is essentially more therapy and lifestyle coaching than actual training. 2 hours with a personal trainer out of 168 hour week is essentially irrelevant as far as calorie burning goes, but what you can learn in the 2 hours is more significant. So understanding the physiological actions of actin-myosin proteins in the muscle and changes to muscle fiber types in a periodization seasoned protocol is fucking pointless.

And 2-3 certifications? That's pointless as fuck as well, and proves you know nothing about the field you're speaking of. 2-3 certifications just means 2-3 more fees you pay, nothing else.

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I appreciate you taking the time to read through the thread and attempting to formulate a cogent retort so I apologize in advance for the brevity of my response.

It is obvious you work in a "big box" commercial gym and count reps in a machine circuit as your scope is blatantly limited to such an environment. I only work with the elite, as I stated earlier - your experience in this industry is extremely different and thus irrelevant.
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »

my PE teacher in high school had a degree too, he used it every day to count the basketballs, vollyballs, or soccer balls he dragged out every day from his office in that fish net Dufflebag
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2012, 01:22:54 PM »

I appreciate you taking the time to read through the read and attempting to formulate a cogent retort so I apologize in advance for the brevity of my response.

It is obvious you work in a "big box" commercial gym and count reps in a machine circuit as your scope is blatantly limited to such an environment. I only work with the elite, as I stated earlier - your experience in this industry is extremely different and thus irrelevant.


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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »

I appreciate you taking the time to read through the thread and attempting to formulate a cogent retort so I apologize in advance for the brevity of my response.

It is obvious you work in a "big box" commercial gym and count reps in a machine circuit as your scope is blatantly limited to such an environment. I only work with the elite, as I stated earlier - your experience in this industry is extremely different and thus irrelevant.

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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2012, 01:30:54 PM »

A good thread for a Wednesday.
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2012, 01:33:54 PM »

I train in a suit and tie and sometimes a cape.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2012, 01:35:36 PM »


The difference between you and I, Joe, is that when a client comes in for an initial consultation, he or she will enter my office and see 2 Masters degrees and 3 prestigious certifications (two of which require college educations to even obtain) framed and hanging on the wall behind my desk, I will be wearing a suit and tie and the client can rest assured that he or she is about to receive the very best personal training that money can buy. When a client enters your gym (do you even have an office?) he or she is confronted with a "man" in tattered gym clothes trying to hock online certification based training under the guise of false credentials.


"The difference between you and I,..."Huh?  You are not repping the college-educated very well with that one, mang.
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2012, 01:37:28 PM »

i lift 45 degrees all day at the gym


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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2012, 01:39:30 PM »

I appreciate you taking the time to read through the thread and attempting to formulate a cogent retort so I apologize in advance for the brevity of my response.

It is obvious you work in a "big box" commercial gym and count reps in a machine circuit as your scope is blatantly limited to such an environment. I only work with the elite, as I stated earlier - your experience in this industry is extremely different and thus irrelevant.

Got it, you only work with the ELITE. No wonder you came trolling on Getbig for clients Cheesy.   

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 01:40:05 PM »

Oh Great...not this shithead again..... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2012, 01:41:00 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2012, 01:46:49 PM »

Although a suit and tie along with litter on the wall will impress a certain demographic....those with money and wish to justify spending the money and to brag to their friends....the proof is in the results....if you dont have the proper "suit" (ie body of a high level of fitness)....the dressing is a waste.  Granted, the 1% you speak of may have more money to spend on higher fees....they are also less likely to stick with the trainer once they see through you.  Results and reputation = longevity and profit in this business. 
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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2012, 02:25:05 PM »

i see Roland Kickinger at the burbank athletic club gym everyday and he wears shorts,  polo shirt  and sneakers.,,,, Has magazine covers he appeared in framed all over the wall , there is always a a line of people waiting to signup for a training session 
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« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2012, 03:06:46 PM »

I am not crass enough to give specific details about my clients. Most high-end clientele expect and appreciate a level of privacy when involved  in a very intensive and holistic training program. Suffice to say, given my two post graduate degrees in fitness and nutrition related fields, my extensive list of prestigious certifications - only the top 1 percent of the population has the opportunity to utilize my services.

The difference between you and I, Joe, is that when a client comes in for an initial consultation, he or she will enter my office and see 2 Masters degrees and 3 prestigious certifications (two of which require college educations to even obtain) framed and hanging on the wall behind my desk, I will be wearing a suit and tie and the client can rest assured that he or she is about to receive the very best personal training that money can buy. When a client enters your gym (do you even have an office?) he or she is confronted with a "man" in tattered gym clothes trying to hock online certification based training under the guise of false credentials.

Besides - if you really want to discuss client specifics - and since you seem crass enough to disclose personal information about your clientele; are your MMA clients aware that most of the pro MMA fighters that have worked with you lost a majority of their bouts while you handled their training? Are your clients aware that the man they are handing their credit card over to earned his education with online tests? Do you inform them that you were not intelligent enough to handle a basic undergraduate program before collecting their cash?

I wouldnt hire a trainer in a suit and a tie, thats like hiring a lawyer in a denim shirt and jeans

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« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2012, 03:27:51 PM »

I'm ACSM certified for another year or so... completely and utterly worthless certification, as far as ensuring it's holder is a capable "personal trainer."  And it's the most respected of the lot, hahaha oh brother.  I guess 2 hours and some random multiple choice questions across such pertinent topics as "whether the soleus plantarflexes, or dorsiflexes???" can distinguish the charlatans from the fat-burning, muscle-building gurus. Roll Eyes

I once went in for an interview at "VisionQuest fitness," some piece of shit box gym that's gaining traction around these parts.  At the end of the interview, the flabby middle-aged woman asked me, "so, why did you think it appropriate to wear jeans and a sweatshirt to this interview?"

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« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2012, 03:50:29 PM »

I'm CSCS.  I'm not a CPT.  I didn't plan on being a personal trainer.  I planned on being a strength coach which the cscs was created for. It allows me to personal train where the CPT wouldn't help my credentials for applying for a college.  That being said there are good trainers that never finished high school and bad ones that have even more school and certifications than I do.  I wouldn't base my decision solely on one aspect but I've never been able to afford a trainer anyway.
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« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2012, 03:53:05 PM »

When choosing a fitness industry professional to guide your fitness goals it is important to allocate someone with the proper level of education to truly be deemed a "Certified Personal Trainer." Unfortunately, the fitness industry lacks quality control (some may argue due to the absence of one sole governing body) and there are often con-men who lack formal college (let alone post graduate) educations who make a living off tricking unsuspecting and gullible people into handing over their hard-earned money for dangerous, ill-conceived and baseless workout programs ("The Coach" from this very board is a prime example of this. He advertises his services as having attended a college he dropped out of.)
For this reason, I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification. This is because, to obtain the CSCS, one must already hold a Bachelor's degree. While I do not feel a simple Bachelor's degree in any general area of study is enough to qualify one as a true "Certified Personal Trainer," it at least eliminates the extremely unqualified candidates. Ideally, your personal trainer of choice should hold a Bachelor's and post graduate degree in Exercise Science as well as holding two to three nationally accredited certifications.

Very nice Peak, but does anyone really consider Derek "COSA NOSTROMO" Anthony an apocolyptic fighter or is his roman warrior mistique just raising his stock in the eyes of superior opponents and upper level management.

i'm not referring to whether you the getbig-poster buys into it offcourse, it's more in terms of his opponents and by upper level management i don't refer to Ron Avidan, Coach or even any high level promoters, the sponsorships are what drive these fighters to sweat in those black bags they always wear in the sauna, no chance can Advilan make someone do that, we as human beings are driven by the desire for wealth, social acceptance, and once we hit our mid 30s our legacy (i'm not quite sure of Wes' age).

To me personally the latter would be meaningless as i do not buy into the afterlife aspect so who cares what people think after i'm gone but someone religious like Rehaluk would for sure think otherwise which is why he trains so hard and i can't imaging anyone arguing the success of his labor, although i don't think Anthony Springer is anywhere near in the same boat.

but lets stay on topic, what makes Joey Swoll the threat that he is even though his skill set may be lightyears behind him

just to give you guys a quick example of what he has accomplished via his mystique when compared to what he has done in the gay4pay-scene  at least on the average of his occasions. makes it almost sad to see what the getbig-hype machine is able to do to some but not to others who are perhaps more deserving due to their determination and work ethic and most importantly SKILL SET
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When choosing a fitness industry professional to guide your fitness goals it is important to allocate someone with the proper level of education to truly be deemed a "Certified Personal Trainer." Unfortunately, the fitness industry lacks quality control (some may argue due to the absence of one sole governing body) and there are often con-men who lack formal college (let alone post graduate) educations who make a living off tricking unsuspecting and gullible people into handing over their hard-earned money for dangerous, ill-conceived and baseless workout programs ("The Coach" from this very board is a prime example of this. He advertises his services as having attended a college he dropped out of.)

For this reason, I strongly suggest avoiding any trainers that lack the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist certification. This is because, to obtain the CSCS, one must already hold a Bachelor's degree. While I do not feel a simple Bachelor's degree in any general area of study is enough to qualify one as a true "Certified Personal Trainer," it at least eliminates the extremely unqualified candidates. Ideally, your personal trainer of choice should hold a Bachelor's and post graduate degree in Exercise Science as well as holding two to three nationally accredited certifications.

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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2012, 06:46:07 PM »

I was sick of this dickead after his initial post.......hope he finds a high building to jump off in the near future........like now!

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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2012, 06:46:54 PM »

I hope Ron pulls the plug on this idiot ASAP................yet another terrible gimmick.  Sad
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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2012, 06:49:38 PM »

I the NEW WORLD when there's only 500 million people on the planet, education and regulations to do almost anything are going to be the norm.
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« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2012, 06:49:50 PM »

It is of no concern to you as we are not hiring. However, when we have an opening in the janitorial staff I will be sure to contact you.

You mean you don't need anyone to come train your staff of 'trainers"? haha
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« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2012, 06:50:49 PM »

Do you think its Gary Strydom?

If it is, it really is all drugs..LOL
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« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2012, 06:53:37 PM »

The journal of the association that oversees CSCS testing and licensing is one of the least respected journals in my field.

Personally I think most certifications for personal training are a big scam and largely unnecessary.
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