Lee Haney versus the current crop

[kimo]

better to compare lee and arnold . dorian trained differently than both . mentzerite ideas in yates.

[nicorulez]

Lee wouldn't win , he had to many flaws that he could get away with until Dorian , Lenda Murray was doing commentary on the 1991 Mr Olympia and said Dorian was like Haney only with legs. His quads were good but his hams and calves were way behind

I get your point out these guys being on another level drug wise but it is what it is, what would really be interesting is to compare these guys using only what Haney was doing and see where they would be. I like Haney one of my favorites and was the Mr Olympia when I first started lifting but he wouldn't be able to beat someone like Phil Heath or Ronnie Coleman , I recall Muscle & Fitness saying that Flex Wheeler would beat Haney and I think he would

ND, unfortunately Dorian took an amazingly aesthetic and muscular physique from 1991/1992 and palumoboized himself with massive GH and insulin by 1993. In 1993, the GH gut was not readily evident as he was ripped like an African tiger, but by 1994 and years forward he was a caricature of ill repute. His muscularity was astounding, but the "it" factor he had in his earlier years was gone. 1993 Dorian is in my top two of all-time. Ronnie was undeniably bigger by a long shot, but 1993 DY would have been tough to beat.

[prizm]

[Archer77]

mister olympia here before gut and calf issues

What fuck happened?  His conditioned just deteriorated.

[BILL ANVIL]

would he be bigger? no. would he be 'better', yes. ppl are forgetting what the purpose of a physique contest is.

[rudylrichards]

Lee wouldn't win , he had to many flaws that he could get away with until Dorian , Lenda Murray was doing commentary on the 1991 Mr Olympia and said Dorian was like Haney only with legs. His quads were good but his hams and calves were way behind

it was Sue Price, not Lenda Murray. She also said Dorian looked like a baby next to Lee right before 2nd place was announced. Dorian had better hams & Calves than Lee and everyone he competed against. From the back, waist down Dorian was better, waist up Lee was better.

[Sherief Shalaby]

Ronnie didn't take part at the 1996 AC. Also, the background looks the same as the 1997 AC.

nasser owns everyone in this pic

back to the topic plz

[Figo]

The first pro I ever recall having a noticeable gut was Momo

The guy was so wide, he was practically a square, at 5'2"

Belknap also had a bit of a gut, but momo's was more pronounced

[Figo]

nasser owns everyone in this pic

back to the topic plz

Good line-up

Some are past their prime there, but some "names"

Vince taylor managed to look fantastic and hardly age in 20 yrs. And he was already 30 something when he turned pro! Some genetics...

[local hero]

fucking old timers with rose tinted specs at it again,,,,,


haney would be crushed by heath..  lack of size and conditioning would realy hurt him,, poor arms and soft glutes ( no homo ) would be the nails in the coffin

[local hero]

how could this place anywhere but behind either of these two ( even tho im no big kai fan )

also, his 'real' muscle would leave his frame just as fast as the 'fake' muscle on any of todays competiors soon as they stopped shooting up

pls dont think haney and co didnt abuse the fuck out of everything they could get there hands on, come on people, have a bit sence

[Figo]

fucking old timers with rose tinted specs at it again,,,,,


haney would be crushed by heath..  lack of size and conditioning would realy hurt him,, poor arms and soft glutes ( no homo ) would be the nails in the coffin

Of course, things have changed, now one needs massive size, and conditioning that whilst doesn't  look "hard" is very sharp.

Haney wouldn't feature

But, take Heath to Haney's day, and he wouldn't turn pro. Structure, the ability to hold mass, the small waistline, unbelivable taper, massive torso.
With todays advances in chemical warfare, if Haney was competing with the current crop, he'd be unbeatable

[local hero]

Of course, things have changed, now one needs massive size, and conditioning that whilst doesn't  look "hard" is very sharp.

Haney wouldn't feature

But, take Heath to Haney's day, and he wouldn't turn pro. Structure, the ability to hold mass, the small waistline, unbelivable taper, massive torso.
With todays advances in chemical warfare, if Haney was competing with the current crop, he'd be unbeatable

only thing different from now to then is slin and maybe higher gh usage( altho there were roumers that haney was no stranger to slin either?),,, everything else was used and abused to fuck

[Figo]

only thing different from now to then is slin and maybe higher gh usage( altho there were roumers that haney was no stranger to slin either?),,, everything else was used and abused to fuck

Gh and slin were around in 80s

But they didn't know how much/how to yet, or they surely wouldve abused like todays guys

I agree it was exactly the same, abuse wise, but they didn't know the limits or boundaries yet. Current crop took it further

Plus seo. Delts and arms we see today are not possible without oil

[Sherief Shalaby]

Good line-up

Some are past their prime there, but some "names"

Vince taylor managed to look fantastic and hardly age in 20 yrs. And he was already 30 something when he turned pro! Some genetics...

sure man the line up included 6 different AC winners,.. wheeler, nasser, francois, ronnie, taylor, and, levrone..

in general all line ups of the olympia and the AC were strong in the 90s..

[Parker]

Of course, things have changed, now one needs massive size, and conditioning that whilst doesn't  look "hard" is very sharp.

Haney wouldn't feature

But, take Heath to Haney's day, and he wouldn't turn pro. Structure, the ability to hold mass, the small waistline, unbelivable taper, massive torso.
With todays advances in chemical warfare, if Haney was competing with the current crop, he'd be unbeatable

would he still have arms too small for his torso, though?
Or would he bang em out?

[Ropo]

This is actually Ronnie 96 already starting to show 

In the background, Dillet look ready to die. Is this the competition, where Dillet invent planking?

[Borracho]

Bodies like Paris ,Labrada, Benfatto would get people looking in admiration, todays champs just get people laughing and ridiculing.

Bob talking a lot of sense (ahead of his time)

That's an intelligent and well spoken man right there. An rarity in bbing...great clip.

[Palpatine Q]

only thing different from now to then is slin and maybe higher gh usage( altho there were roumers that haney was no stranger to slin either?),,, everything else was used and abused to fuck

aside from Slin, one could argue they had better drugs back then. Pharmaceutical grade gear VS UG lab and Chinese GH....Dorian pointed this out in his interview.

And yes I agree with you, Haney would not beat the top pros. weak arms, hams and glutes, and nowhere near the mass.

Mixing eras is a stupid-ass argument

[Mayor Of Bodybuilding]

Lee Haney Is the best Mr Olympia ever and the last one with a tight waist!

[Sherief Shalaby]

imo lee haney "also arnold" deserved all their olympia titles unlike dorian and ronnie and he may be the best mr. olympia ever when considering the time of each winner but still no way to compare him to the best pros more than 20 years after his era.. it's like comparing the great bmw e30 of the 80s to the current f30..

[kimo]

lee and arnold are closer in era than yates or guys of today . arnold too with thin thighs and weak forearms and wide waist was no perfect.

[Palpatine Q]

Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.

[Grape Ape]

Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.

 I was just going to respond to the guy above who said Kai/Phil in '91 wouldn't go pro.

You are absolutely correct.  People freaked the f out when Yates stepped on the scene.  It was something completey different than what they were used to, and it was rewared heavily.   Same thing would happen if it was Kai/Heath.

And I actually liked BB back then.  Haney was awesome.  But let's not kid ouselves that even Lee at his best would be lost on stage today.

[Figo]

Reverse the argument.

Put 2012 Phil Heath and kai Greene in the 91 Olympia and they destroy everyone including Haney...people would lose their minds and the size and definition.

Of course they would, can't compare like you said

But

If you take them back in time, and all things being equal, would they look the same?