Your definition of freedom is anyone should do whatever they want under YOUR moral standard. In other words if I say something like should a murderer be allowed to kill it's his own free choice, you would start arguing about how this is wrong, impacts society, we have limits and punishments.
No it's not and you know it. But if you need to blatantly lie about my position to attack it, well. that says something about you and the tractability of your position.
Of course I would argue that murdering is wrong and we should regulate it. The initiation of violence is wrong and your freedom to act ends where my freedom begins. Which means your freedom to swing a knife doesn't mean you can swing it into my chest.
Well, under our moral standards we do not allow or condone such action. As much as you may disagree with that notion.
What I disagree with is the notion that your moral standards bind me and others. As long as my actions don't infringe on your rights (which is why, for example, your "murder" example above is not only ridiculous but a blatant lie) your morals mean shit.
There is no such thing as unlimited freedom even in the west even though the west has become very loose.
Of course not - your freedom doesn't mean you can punch me in the nose. It does, however, mean that I can't tell you not to oil yourself up and pose on stage in a tiny thing, or what you choose to do behind closed doors with other consenting adults, or what to believe, etc.
Just as the laws and standards of western society are BINDING upon people, likewise we have standards that are binding upon Muslims and society at large for the protection of society rather than corruption of society.
Agreed. If you choose to live in a particular society you are bound by its laws. However that doesn't make the laws in question moral and a society that infringes on the freedom of its citizens won't last long. You see, people don't like to be under a yoke.
As far as a woman who chooses to be a fashion model, porn star, cover magazine girl or movie star in nude scenes for all to see in theaters, how is she not exploited?
Words have meaning Ahmed. Case in point:
ex•ploi•ta•tion: (noun) Utilization of another person or group against their will for selfish purposes.
How is a woman who freely and without external pressure
decides to act in such films being exploited? Please note, that this doesn't preclude the possibility that some woman is exploited but that is a different topic.
Some women like to exploit men with their 'power' of nudity over them as well.
I agree, except I go further; you see, exploiters can in all shapes and sizes and use all sorts of tricks to exploit others. Nudity is hardly the only tool. Which is why it doesn't make sense to condemn nudity (or, indeed, the tool) but the act if exploiting someone else.
But the whole point is, muslim women or women who are of modest standards but 'foreign' to western standards are always seen as 'oppressed' while in fact we can argue the same for western women as in fact being oppresed.
I don't argue that modest women are oppressed. I argue that taking choice
away is oppressive.
"Cover girl" make up, hardly covering, more like covering with kilos of makeup to be noticed and accepted. While women that cover themselves want to be respected for their intellect not their lips, ass and breasts. So the point of that pic is the arguments that westerners throw out there at Muslim women, can far more easily be applied to western women.
If a woman is so shallow that she wants to be respected only for her breasts or her hips; then more power to her; it's her choice. She'll attract the sort of men she deserves. There's a reason why terms like "bimbo" and "slut" were coined.
But your suggestion that women should cover up to get respect is an insult to both men and women. There are people who don't think with their genitals Ahmed, and guys don't lose all control if a woman wears form-fitting clothes.
No doubt, there's clothing that is appropriate for the situation and clothing that isn't.
The point is that it's not up to you to tell the woman what she can and cannot wear.