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« on: September 24, 2012, 02:54:07 PM »

Kind Treatment of Wives

God instructs men to be nice to their wives and to treat them well to the best of their ability:

“…And live with them in kindness…” (Quran 4:19)

The Messenger of God said, The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character.  The best of you are those who are the best to their women.’[1]  The Prophet of Mercy tells us that a husband’s treatment of his wife reflects a Muslim’s good character, which in turn is a reflection of the man’s faith.  How can a Muslim husband be good to his wife?  He should smile, not hurt her emotionally, remove anything that will harm her, treat her gently, and be patient with her.

Being nice includes good communication.  A husband should be willing to open up, and be willing to listen to his wife.  Many times a husband wants to air his frustrations (like work).  He should not forget to ask her about what annoys her (like when children would not do their homework).  A husband should not talk about important things with her when he or his wife is angry, tired, or hungry.  Communication, compromise, and consideration are the cornerstone of marriage.

Being nice includes encouraging one’s wife.  The most meaningful admiration comes from a sincere heart that notices what really matters — what the wife really values.  So a husband should ask himself what she feels most insecure about and discover what she values.  That is the wife’s sweet spot of praise.  The more the husband compliments it, the more the wife will admire it, the more on target this healthy habit will be.  Kind words are like, “I like the way you think,” “You look beautiful in those clothes,” and “I love hearing your voice on the phone.”

Human beings are imperfect.  The Messenger of God said, “A believing man should not hate a believing woman.  If he dislikes something in her character, he should be pleased with some other trait of hers.”[2]  A man should not hate his wife because if he dislikes something in her, he will find something he likes about her if he gives it a chance.  One way to be aware of what he likes in his wife is for the husband to make a list of a half dozen things he appreciates about her.  Marriage experts recommend that one be as specific as possible and focus on character traits — just as the Prophet of Islam recommended, not just what she does for the husband.  For example, a husband may appreciate the way she arranges his clean laundry, but the underlying character trait may be that she is thoughtful.  The husband should consider admirable traits such as being compassionate, generous, kind, devout, creative, elegant, honest, affectionate, energetic, gentle, optimistic, committed, faithful, confident, cheerful, and so on.  A husband should give himself some time to construct this list, and review it in times of conflict when he is most likely to feel averse towards his wife.  It will help him be more aware of his wife’s good attributes and far more likely to compliment them.

A companion asked the Prophet of God what is the right of a wife over her husband?’  He said, “That you feed her when you eat and clothe her when you clothe yourself and do not strike her face.  Do not malign her and do not keep apart from her, except in the house.”[3]

Conflict in marriage is virtually inevitable and it leads to lot of anger.  Although anger is one of the most difficult emotions to manage, the first step toward controlling it can be learning how to forgive those who hurt us.  In case of conflict, a husband should not stop talking to his wife and emotionally hurt her, but he may stop sleeping in the same bed if it will improve the situation.  Under no circumstance, even when he is angry or somehow feels justified, is a husband allowed to malign her by using hurtful words or cause her any injury.


Footnotes:
[1] Al-Tirmidhi
[2] Saheeh Muslim.
[3] Abu Daud.
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ADVICE TO HUSBANDS
 
Jabir Narrated that the Prophet, peace be upon him, gave these instructions in his sermon during Farewell Pilgrimage: “Fear God regarding women; for you have taken them [in marriage] with the trust of God.” [Mishkat]

 

Narrated Aisha, God’s messenger said: “Among the believers who show most perfect faith are those who have the best disposition, and are kindest to their families.” [Tirmidhi]

 

Narrated Abu Huraira, God’s messenger said:“The believers who show the most perfect faith are those who have the best disposition and the best of you are those who are best to their wives.”[Tirmidhi]

 

Aisha has related that the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, would enter the house with a pleasing disposition and a smile on his lips. [Uswa-i-Hasana]

 

Narrated Al-Aswad: “I asked Aisha, `What did the Prophet, peace be upon him, do at home?’ She said, `He used to work for his family and when he heard the call for the prayer, he would go out.’”[Bukhari]

 

Narrated Abu Huraira: “Allah’s Apostle, peace be upon him, said, `The woman is like a rib; if you try to straighten her, she will break. So if you want to get benefit from her, do so while she still has some bent.’” [Bukhari]

 

Narrated Abu Huraira: “The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, `Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his neighbor. And I advise you to take care of women, for they are created from a rib and the most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part; if you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it, it will reamin crooked, so I urge you to take care of women. [Bukhari]

 

Narrated Abdullah bin Amr bin Al-As: “Allah’s Apostle, peace be upon him, said, `O Abdullah! Have I not been informed that you fast all the day and stand in prayer all night?’ I said, `Yes, O Allah’s Apostle!’ He said, `Do not do that! Observe the fast sometimes and also leave them at other times; stand up for the prayer at night and also sleep at night. Your body has a right over you and your wife has a right over you.’” [Bukhari]

 

Narrated Ibn Umar: “The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, `All of you are guardians and are responsible for your wards. The ruler is a guardian and the man is a guardian of his family; the lady is a guardian who is responsible for her husband’s house and his offspring; and so all of you are guardians and are responsible for your wards.’”

 

Men should forbear any shortcomings of women in view of the following verse of Quran:

Live with them in kindness; even if you dislike them, perhaps you dislike something in which God has place much good. Quran [4 : 19]

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Treatment of Women in Islam



Islam commands justice and kindness towards women:

"O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against (their) will. Nor
should you straiten them by taking part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty
of manifest indecency. And treat them kindly. Then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike
a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.4:19 (The Women)


In the above verse, Allah tells the Muslims that they cannot treat women like slaves, but must
act justly with them. The verse enjoins Muslims to treat women kindly and warns them that they
may hate a woman when Allah has “placed abundant good”, in her. Muslims are to be just kind
to women and they must be careful not to underestimate the worth of women because of
imperfections that are made up for by their much greater good traits. Muslims are not to exploit
women, be cruel to them nor take them for granted. These are the commands of Allah to “you
who believe.”

Relationship between the believing men and women:

“ And the believers, men and women are friends of one another. They enjoin good and
forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. As
for these Allah will have mercy on them, Surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.9:71


We do not abuse, neglect or hurt friends, do we? Neither should we treat women in such a
manner! We are kind and helpful to our friends, are we not? Women deserve similar treatment
from their fathers, husbands, brothers, sons and other male relatives. That goes for the
government and society also, if it is a believing government or society.
In a recent book, “Silent No More”, by Paul Findley, a member of Congress, for twenty two
years, writes “ A report released in January 2000, by the John Hopkins Scholl of Public Health
in Baltimore, Maryland, offers the startling conclusion that one of every three women worldwide
has been beaten, raped or somehow mistreated.” “ Americans seem to cite severe
discrimination in some Muslim countries as evidence that Islam condones mistreatment of
women…….Most discrimination arises from brutish customs and male chauvinism, not from
the Qur’an or the Sunnah.”  He goes so far as to suggest, very much against the conventional
wisdom, that “Islam may be the single most liberating influence in recorded history, greater
than Christianity and Judaism.”
Mr. Findley explains, “ Thomas W. Lippman, a Jewish journalist who served for three
years as 'the Washington Post, bureau chief in Cairo', writes, “ In a society in which
women were possessions, taken and put aside like trinkets, often held in conditions
approaching bondage, the Qur’an imposed rules and prohibitions that curbed the
worst abuses, ensured women’s property rights, and encouraged men to , treat
women with kindness and generosity…..The Quran's dictates on women's legal
status, were quite advanced for their time and Islamic Law gives women's som erights
more liberating than those found in western legal codes---the Quran and Hadith---lay
down rules ensuring for women the respectable and dignified status that had been
denied them (in pre-Islamic society and emphasize the stability of the family."Page 128


William Baker, a Christian leader writes: “ When we consider the status of women in pre-
Islamic societies, we learn that two-thirds were in some form of slavery…..women were nearly
invisible in a male-dominated world in nearly every religion and very culture of the world.”
It is clear that the women in the seventh century, were nearly invisible in a male dominated
world, in nearly every religion and very culture….” Two thirds of the women throughout this world
are in some kind of slavery.” Then along comes Islam, as if out of the blue, completely
revolutionizing women’s rights; even giving them some rights that the west has yet to grant to
women in some parts of the world. These rights were given to the Muslim women of the
seventh century. They did not have to fight for their rights, did not have to participate in
demonstrations, or go on hunger strikes, as their western sisters had to. They did not have to
even lift a finger. These rights were given to them by this new religion of Islam. No one had to
force the Holy Prophet of Islam to grant these rights to women. These rights were their due as
human beings and Islam was the fulfillment of all religions, so they were liberated from the
centuries of oppression.
Not only does Islam require justice for women, it insists on kindness to them and co-
operation between them.
Mr.Findley quotes a Muslim, Nour Naciri, who comments on the
Hadith. “ The husband and the wife are as equal as two teeth in a comb.” It means that men
and women married or single, are equal in the rights their Creator gives them as human beings
and in the obligations He entrusts them to discharge as His vicegerents on earth. Male and
female must co-operate, each in his or her full capacity, just as the teeth of a comb, so to
speak must, must co-operate for any combing to be done. They must co-operate within the
family unit and within society as a whole.” (Page 131, Findley)

Both Holy Qur'an and Authentic Hadith support kind treatment of women:        
Other than the verse of the Holy Qur’an commanding kind treatment towards women, there are
also hadith on the subject matter.
“ The most perfect of the believers in faith is the best of them in moral excellence, and the best
of you are the kindest of you to their wives. (TR. 10:11)
“ Accept my advice in the matter of doing good to women.” (BU. 67:81).

Muslim (15:19) has this hadith about the Farewell Pilgrimage address:

“ O my people!  You have certain rights over your wives and so have your wives over you---
They are the trust of Allah in your hands, so you must treat them with all kindness.”

" Admonish your wives with kindness."
(Page 790, 8500 Precious Gems, Allahdin Publications)

“ A person who ill-treats his wife during the day and loves her at night, acts in complete
contradiction of the beauty of human nature.”
( Page 801,  8500 Precious Gems, - Allahdin Publications)

" Woman is fragile like glass, and men should therefore treat women with delicacy and
tenderness as they would handle an article made of glass."
( Page 801, 8500 Precious Gems, Allahdin Publications)

“The more civil and the kinder is a Muslim to his wife, the more perfect of faith he has; fear God
with reference to two meek beings, woman and orphan.”

The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, stressed kindness and
good treatment of wives.
This is an echo of the Holy Qur’an, in the verse mentioned in the
beginning, as well as others:

“keep them in good fellowship, or let them go in kindness (2:229)------“Retain them in kindness,
or set them free in kindness, and retain them not for injury.” (2:231)

Overwhelmingly, the Holy Qur’an and authentic hadith command kind treatment of women, yet
there is one verse in the Holy Qur’an that has been taken to advocate the mistreatment of
women, especially by Non-Muslim critics.
The Holy Qur’an states:

“And as to  those on whose part you fear desertion (nushuz), admonish them, and leave
them alone in the beds and chastise  (wadribu-root dharaba)  them. So if they obey you, seek
not a way against them. Surely, Allah is ever Exalted, Great.” Ch.4:34
“ And If you fear a breach between the two, appoint an arbiter from his people and an arbiter
from her people. If they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them.
Surely Allah is ever Knowing, Aware.” Ch. 4:35


Obviously all the measures from admonishment to marriage counseling mentioned here are
attempts to save a marriage that is in danger of dissolution. If the chastisement in this verse
means beating one’s wife to an inch of her life, it is hard to see how that would contribute to
rejuvenating the marriage. On the contrary, it probably would destroy the marriage, by making
the wife hate her husband. It could end, the husband as well as the marriage; more than one
abused wife has killed her husband, or mutilated him. This is very bad  advice and the Holy Qur’
an does not give bad advice.

The word, ‘Dharaba’ (chastise), does not suggest repetitive or intense beating:
The word, “Dharaba”, translated as “chastise”, is in the singular, so only one strike is allowed.
Page 106 If (2 R’s or R’s rather than one) “Dharraba”, had been used, it would have meant to
strike repeatedly on intensely. That word was not used in this verse. “Dharaba”, can mean also
“to set an example.”
Asma Barlas quotes Amina Wadud that this verse,” should be read as prohibiting unchecked
violence against females. Thus this is not a permission, but a severe restriction of existing
practices.” ("Believing Women" in Islam', Asma Barlas, . U. of Tx. Press, Austin, 2002.)

The chastising mentioned in the verse apparently was symbolic, a way for the husband to
express his displeasure for serious misconduct on the part of the wife.  Barlas writes that,
“Tradition holds that the gesture should not cause pain. Hence some exegetes favor using a
folded handkerchief. She notes that ‘dharaba’ also means to prevent further gross misbehavior
by making clear the husband’s unhappiness with his wife’s behavior.”( Page 188, Barlas)

Ibn Abbas, a companion of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said
that the chastisement could be with a toothbrush, or something similar. The Holy Prophet,
according to Tirmidhi (10:11) said, “ You have a right in the matter of your wives that you do
not allow anyone whom you not like to come in to your houses. If they do this, chastise them in
such a manner that it should not leave an impression.”
When some women complained of their husbands ill treating them, the Prophet, said,
according to Abu Daud (12:42), “ You will not find these men as the best among you.”

John Esposito writes, “ Muhammad’s wife Aisha narrated that, “Muhammad never physically
struck anyone with his own hand. Neither the Qur’an nor the Hadith record Muhammad as ever
mistreating or losing his temper with any of his wives, even when he was unhappy or
dissatisfied.” (Page 106, Esposito 'What everyone needs to know about Islam', 2002)

In the major hadith collections---hadith about striking, all emphasize that striking should be
done in such a way as not to cause pain or harm. The Founder of the Shafi Law School
maintained that it is preferable to avoid striking altogether. Despite the fact that domestic
violence continued to exist in male dominated cultures and to be legitimated in the name of
religion, neither the majority of Quranic verse, nor the hadith support or permit it. (Page 107,
Esposito)



                     SUMMARY


The word, nushuz, in the Holy Qur'an means, 'desertion':

"The word nushuz, which I have translated as 'd e s e r t i o n', primarily means r i s i n g,
and as spoken of a woman in connection with her husband it means her rising against her
h u s b a n d. This is explained in a number of ways; according to one of these explanations it
means her leaving the husband’s place and taking up an abode which he does not like
(AH). LL quotes various authorities showing that nushuz on the part of the woman means
that the wife resisted her husband and hated him (S, Q) and deserted him ( T ) .
The remedy pointed out in the case of the wife’s desertion is threefold. At first she is
only to be admonished. If she desists, the evil is mended, but if she persists in the wrong
course, her bed is to be separated. If she still persists, chastisement is permitted as a last
resort (Rz). Regarding this last remedy two things must, however, be borne in mind.
Firstly it is a mere permission, and sayings of the Prophet make it clear that, though
allowed, it was discouraged in practice. Thus the Prophet is reported to have said, on the
complaint of certain women as to the ill-treatment of their husbands: “You will not find
these men as the best among you” (AD. 12:42). According to Shafi, it is preferable not
to resort to chastisement of the wife (Rz). In fact, as the injunctions of the Qur’an are
wide in their scope, the example of the Holy Prophet and his constant exhortations for
kind treatment towards women, so much so that he made a man’s good treatment of his
wife the gauge of his goodness in general — the best of you is he who is best to his wife
— show clearly that this permission is meant only for that type of men and women who
belong to a low grade of society. Secondly, even this permission cannot be adopted
indiscriminately, for sayings of the Holy Prophet make it quite evident that chastisement,
when resorted to in extreme cases, must be very slight. I‘Ab says it may be with a
toothbrush or something like it (AH). The Prophet is reported to have said: “You have a
right in the matter of your wives that they do not allow anyone whom you do not like to
come into your houses; if they do this, chastise them in such a manner that it should not
leave an impression” (Tr. 10:11). Thus very slight chastisement was allowed only in extreme
cases."  English translation of the Holy Qur'an and Commentary, by Maulana Muhammad Ali.
Ch.4:34


The word, "dharaba" (pronounced as 'za-ra-ba'), has multiple meanings in the Holy Qur'an:

1.  Chastise (Ch.4:34)
2.  He set forth ( an example or a parable) Ch.14:24 ; Ch.16:75,76,112 ; Ch. 30:28,58 ;
    Ch. 66:10,11
3. "So We prevented them from hearing in the cave." Ch.18:11( meaning from Lane Lexicon)
      

The word 'Chastise', according to Random House Webster's College Dictionary, 1990,
means:
a) to discipline
b) to criticize severely
c) to chasten (to inflict suffering or punishment to humble or improve ; to restrain ; to refine)

In light of the above meanings, it would be quite appropriate to consider the word, dharaba
(chastise) to mean, restrain, or prevent such women from deserting their husbands. This would
lead to restoration of an endangered matrimonial relationship, through kindness and
arbitration. Marriage counselling would  also be an example of such preventive measures. It
should be noted that an abused wife, would decline any prospects of reconciliation, which is
the objective of this verse. The mention of "fear of breach between the two", and "appoint an
arbiter from his people and her people", is presented by the Qur'an (Ch.4:35) to prevent, and
denounce violence against women.

According to the teachings of the Holy Qur'an:

Women are:
To be free from bondage of slavery.   Ch.4:19
To be treated kindly.  Ch.4:19
To be treated with respect.  Ch.9:71
To be kept in good-fellowship, or "let them go in kindness".  Ch. 2:229
To be set free in kindness (in cases of divorce) and not to be retained for injury. Ch.2:231
To seek an arbiter, for her protection, if her husband fears desertion or rebellion by
her. Ch. 4:35
To seek an arbiter, for her protection, if she fears ii-usage or desertion from her
husband. Ch.4:128
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At the time of Muhammad's birth, women in 7th century Arabia had few if any rights. Even the right of life could be in question, since it was not uncommon for small girls to be buried alive during times of scarcity. In the Qur'an, it is said that on Judgment Day "buried girls" will rise out of their graves and ask for what crime they were killed. Part of Muhammad's legacy was to end infanticide and establish explicit rights for women.

Islam teaches that men and women are equal before God. It grants women divinely sanctioned inheritance, property, social and marriage rights, including the right to reject the terms of a proposal and to initiate divorce. The American middle-class trend to include a prenuptial agreement in the marriage contract is completely acceptable in Islamic law. In Islam's early period, women were professionals and property owners, as many are today. Although in some countries today the right of women to initiate divorce is more difficult than intended, this is a function of patriarchal legislation and not an expression of Islamic values. Muhammad himself frequently counseled Muslim men to treat their wives and daughters well. "You have rights over your women," he is reported to have said, "and your women have rights over you."

Muhammad was orphaned at an early age. He once remarked that, "Heaven lies at the feet of mothers." As the father of four daughters in a society that prized sons, he told other fathers that, if their daughters spoke well of them on the Day of Judgment, they would enter paradise.

Beginning from the time of Muhammad's marriage to his first wife Khadijah, women played an important role in his religious career. According to Muslim sources, Khadijah was the first person Muhammad spoke to about his initial, terrifying experience of revelation. She consoled him and became the first convert to Islam. She remained a confidant and source of support throughout their entire marriage. Though men commonly took more than one wife in 7th Century Arabia, Muhammad remained in a monogamous marriage with Khadijah until her death, when Muhammad was in his fifties.

By then, Muhammad was working to establish a new community. In that context, over the next 10 years, he married several women. In some cases, these marriages occurred in order to cement political ties, according to the custom of the day. In some cases, the marriage provided physical and economic shelter to the widows of Muslims who had died or who had been killed in battle, and to the wife of a fallen foe. Of all his marriages, only one appears to have been controversial, and it was to the divorced wife of his adopted son.

Only one of his wives had not been previously married. Her name was Aisha, the daughter of one of his closest companions. Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad while still a girl, but she remained in her parents' home for several years until she reached puberty. Years later, when absent from Medina, Muhammad often recommended that, if religious questions arose, people should take them to his wife Aisha. After Muhammad's death, Aisha became a main source of information about Muhammad, and on medicine and poetry as well.

Aisha's assertion that Muhammad lived the Qur'an became the basis for Muslims ever since to emulate his example.

Muhammad's daughters also played an important and influential role, both in his life and in the establishment of Islam. Most notable was his daughter Fatima, who is still revered by all Muslims, particularly Shiite Muslims.

Following the Battle of Uhud (625), in which scores of male combatants died leaving unprotected widows and children, Muhammad and the Qur'an decreed that, in order to protect the orphans of such families, men might take up to four wives. The permission itself is surrounded with language that discourages the very thing it permits, saying that unless a man can treat several wives equally, he should never enter into multiple marriages. The usual supposition in the modern monogamous West-that Islam institutionally encourages lustful arrangements-is rejected by Muslims themselves as an ill-informed stereotype. At the same time, Muslim feminists point out that in various cultures at different economic strata the laws of polygamy have frequently operated to the clear detriment of women. Polygamy is an uncommon occurrence in the modern Muslim world.

Today, Islamic legal and social systems around the world approach and fall short of women's rights by varying degrees. Muslims themselves generally view Islam as progressive in these matters. Many Muslim feminists hold the view that the problems presently hindering Muslim women are those that hinder women of all backgrounds worldwide- oppressive cultural practices, poverty, illiteracy, political repression and patriarchy. There is a strong, healthy critique of gender oppression among Muslim feminist authors and activists worldwide.

It would be anachronistic to claim that Muhammad was a feminist in our modern sense. Yet the same present-day barriers to women's equality prevailed in 7th century Arabia, and he opposed them. Because in his own lifetime Muhammad improved women's position in society, many modern Muslims continue to value his example, which they cite when pressing for women's rights.

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Treatment of Women in Islam



Islam commands justice and kindness towards women:

"O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against (their) will. Nor
should you straiten them by taking part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty
of manifest indecency. And treat them kindly. Then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike
a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.4:19 (The Women)


In the above verse, Allah tells the Muslims that they cannot treat women like slaves, but must
act justly with them. The verse enjoins Muslims to treat women kindly and warns them that they
may hate a woman when Allah has “placed abundant good”, in her. Muslims are to be just kind
to women and they must be careful not to underestimate the worth of women because of
imperfections that are made up for by their much greater good traits. Muslims are not to exploit
women, be cruel to them nor take them for granted. These are the commands of Allah to “you
who believe.”

Relationship between the believing men and women:

“ And the believers, men and women are friends of one another. They enjoin good and
forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. As
for these Allah will have mercy on them, Surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.9:71


We do not abuse, neglect or hurt friends, do we? Neither should we treat women in such a
manner! We are kind and helpful to our friends, are we not? Women deserve similar treatment
from their fathers, husbands, brothers, sons and other male relatives. That goes for the
government and society also, if it is a believing government or society.
In a recent book, “Silent No More”, by Paul Findley, a member of Congress, for twenty two
years, writes “ A report released in January 2000, by the John Hopkins Scholl of Public Health
in Baltimore, Maryland, offers the startling conclusion that one of every three women worldwide
has been beaten, raped or somehow mistreated.” “ Americans seem to cite severe
discrimination in some Muslim countries as evidence that Islam condones mistreatment of
women…….Most discrimination arises from brutish customs and male chauvinism, not from
the Qur’an or the Sunnah.”  He goes so far as to suggest, very much against the conventional
wisdom, that “Islam may be the single most liberating influence in recorded history, greater
than Christianity and Judaism.”
Mr. Findley explains, “ Thomas W. Lippman, a Jewish journalist who served for three
years as 'the Washington Post, bureau chief in Cairo', writes, “ In a society in which
women were possessions, taken and put aside like trinkets, often held in conditions
approaching bondage, the Qur’an imposed rules and prohibitions that curbed the
worst abuses, ensured women’s property rights, and encouraged men to , treat
women with kindness and generosity…..The Quran's dictates on women's legal
status, were quite advanced for their time and Islamic Law gives women's som erights
more liberating than those found in western legal codes---the Quran and Hadith---lay
down rules ensuring for women the respectable and dignified status that had been
denied them (in pre-Islamic society and emphasize the stability of the family."Page 128


William Baker, a Christian leader writes: “ When we consider the status of women in pre-
Islamic societies, we learn that two-thirds were in some form of slavery…..women were nearly
invisible in a male-dominated world in nearly every religion and very culture of the world.”
It is clear that the women in the seventh century, were nearly invisible in a male dominated
world, in nearly every religion and very culture….” Two thirds of the women throughout this world
are in some kind of slavery.” Then along comes Islam, as if out of the blue, completely
revolutionizing women’s rights; even giving them some rights that the west has yet to grant to
women in some parts of the world. These rights were given to the Muslim women of the
seventh century. They did not have to fight for their rights, did not have to participate in
demonstrations, or go on hunger strikes, as their western sisters had to. They did not have to
even lift a finger. These rights were given to them by this new religion of Islam. No one had to
force the Holy Prophet of Islam to grant these rights to women. These rights were their due as
human beings and Islam was the fulfillment of all religions, so they were liberated from the
centuries of oppression.
Not only does Islam require justice for women, it insists on kindness to them and co-
operation between them.
Mr.Findley quotes a Muslim, Nour Naciri, who comments on the
Hadith. “ The husband and the wife are as equal as two teeth in a comb.” It means that men
and women married or single, are equal in the rights their Creator gives them as human beings
and in the obligations He entrusts them to discharge as His vicegerents on earth. Male and
female must co-operate, each in his or her full capacity, just as the teeth of a comb, so to
speak must, must co-operate for any combing to be done. They must co-operate within the
family unit and within society as a whole.” (Page 131, Findley)

Both Holy Qur'an and Authentic Hadith support kind treatment of women:        
Other than the verse of the Holy Qur’an commanding kind treatment towards women, there are
also hadith on the subject matter.
“ The most perfect of the believers in faith is the best of them in moral excellence, and the best
of you are the kindest of you to their wives. (TR. 10:11)
“ Accept my advice in the matter of doing good to women.” (BU. 67:81).

Muslim (15:19) has this hadith about the Farewell Pilgrimage address:

“ O my people!  You have certain rights over your wives and so have your wives over you---
They are the trust of Allah in your hands, so you must treat them with all kindness.”

" Admonish your wives with kindness."
(Page 790, 8500 Precious Gems, Allahdin Publications)

“ A person who ill-treats his wife during the day and loves her at night, acts in complete
contradiction of the beauty of human nature.”
( Page 801,  8500 Precious Gems, - Allahdin Publications)

" Woman is fragile like glass, and men should therefore treat women with delicacy and
tenderness as they would handle an article made of glass."
( Page 801, 8500 Precious Gems, Allahdin Publications)

“The more civil and the kinder is a Muslim to his wife, the more perfect of faith he has; fear God
with reference to two meek beings, woman and orphan.”

The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, stressed kindness and
good treatment of wives.
This is an echo of the Holy Qur’an, in the verse mentioned in the
beginning, as well as others:

“keep them in good fellowship, or let them go in kindness (2:229)------“Retain them in kindness,
or set them free in kindness, and retain them not for injury.” (2:231)

Overwhelmingly, the Holy Qur’an and authentic hadith command kind treatment of women, yet
there is one verse in the Holy Qur’an that has been taken to advocate the mistreatment of
women, especially by Non-Muslim critics.
The Holy Qur’an states:

“And as to  those on whose part you fear desertion (nushuz), admonish them, and leave
them alone in the beds and chastise  (wadribu-root dharaba)  them. So if they obey you, seek
not a way against them. Surely, Allah is ever Exalted, Great.” Ch.4:34
“ And If you fear a breach between the two, appoint an arbiter from his people and an arbiter
from her people. If they both desire agreement, Allah will effect harmony between them.
Surely Allah is ever Knowing, Aware.” Ch. 4:35


Obviously all the measures from admonishment to marriage counseling mentioned here are
attempts to save a marriage that is in danger of dissolution. If the chastisement in this verse
means beating one’s wife to an inch of her life, it is hard to see how that would contribute to
rejuvenating the marriage. On the contrary, it probably would destroy the marriage, by making
the wife hate her husband. It could end, the husband as well as the marriage; more than one
abused wife has killed her husband, or mutilated him. This is very bad  advice and the Holy Qur’
an does not give bad advice.

The word, ‘Dharaba’ (chastise), does not suggest repetitive or intense beating:
The word, “Dharaba”, translated as “chastise”, is in the singular, so only one strike is allowed.
Page 106 If (2 R’s or R’s rather than one) “Dharraba”, had been used, it would have meant to
strike repeatedly on intensely. That word was not used in this verse. “Dharaba”, can mean also
“to set an example.”
Asma Barlas quotes Amina Wadud that this verse,” should be read as prohibiting unchecked
violence against females. Thus this is not a permission, but a severe restriction of existing
practices.” ("Believing Women" in Islam', Asma Barlas, . U. of Tx. Press, Austin, 2002.)

The chastising mentioned in the verse apparently was symbolic, a way for the husband to
express his displeasure for serious misconduct on the part of the wife.  Barlas writes that,
“Tradition holds that the gesture should not cause pain. Hence some exegetes favor using a
folded handkerchief. She notes that ‘dharaba’ also means to prevent further gross misbehavior
by making clear the husband’s unhappiness with his wife’s behavior.”( Page 188, Barlas)

Ibn Abbas, a companion of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said
that the chastisement could be with a toothbrush, or something similar. The Holy Prophet,
according to Tirmidhi (10:11) said, “ You have a right in the matter of your wives that you do
not allow anyone whom you not like to come in to your houses. If they do this, chastise them in
such a manner that it should not leave an impression.”
When some women complained of their husbands ill treating them, the Prophet, said,
according to Abu Daud (12:42), “ You will not find these men as the best among you.”

John Esposito writes, “ Muhammad’s wife Aisha narrated that, “Muhammad never physically
struck anyone with his own hand. Neither the Qur’an nor the Hadith record Muhammad as ever
mistreating or losing his temper with any of his wives, even when he was unhappy or
dissatisfied.” (Page 106, Esposito 'What everyone needs to know about Islam', 2002)

In the major hadith collections---hadith about striking, all emphasize that striking should be
done in such a way as not to cause pain or harm. The Founder of the Shafi Law School
maintained that it is preferable to avoid striking altogether. Despite the fact that domestic
violence continued to exist in male dominated cultures and to be legitimated in the name of
religion, neither the majority of Quranic verse, nor the hadith support or permit it. (Page 107,
Esposito)



                     SUMMARY


The word, nushuz, in the Holy Qur'an means, 'desertion':

"The word nushuz, which I have translated as 'd e s e r t i o n', primarily means r i s i n g,
and as spoken of a woman in connection with her husband it means her rising against her
h u s b a n d. This is explained in a number of ways; according to one of these explanations it
means her leaving the husband’s place and taking up an abode which he does not like
(AH). LL quotes various authorities showing that nushuz on the part of the woman means
that the wife resisted her husband and hated him (S, Q) and deserted him ( T ) .
The remedy pointed out in the case of the wife’s desertion is threefold. At first she is
only to be admonished. If she desists, the evil is mended, but if she persists in the wrong
course, her bed is to be separated. If she still persists, chastisement is permitted as a last
resort (Rz). Regarding this last remedy two things must, however, be borne in mind.
Firstly it is a mere permission, and sayings of the Prophet make it clear that, though
allowed, it was discouraged in practice. Thus the Prophet is reported to have said, on the
complaint of certain women as to the ill-treatment of their husbands: “You will not find
these men as the best among you” (AD. 12:42). According to Shafi, it is preferable not
to resort to chastisement of the wife (Rz). In fact, as the injunctions of the Qur’an are
wide in their scope, the example of the Holy Prophet and his constant exhortations for
kind treatment towards women, so much so that he made a man’s good treatment of his
wife the gauge of his goodness in general — the best of you is he who is best to his wife
— show clearly that this permission is meant only for that type of men and women who
belong to a low grade of society. Secondly, even this permission cannot be adopted
indiscriminately, for sayings of the Holy Prophet make it quite evident that chastisement,
when resorted to in extreme cases, must be very slight. I‘Ab says it may be with a
toothbrush or something like it (AH). The Prophet is reported to have said: “You have a
right in the matter of your wives that they do not allow anyone whom you do not like to
come into your houses; if they do this, chastise them in such a manner that it should not
leave an impression” (Tr. 10:11). Thus very slight chastisement was allowed only in extreme
cases."  English translation of the Holy Qur'an and Commentary, by Maulana Muhammad Ali.
Ch.4:34


The word, "dharaba" (pronounced as 'za-ra-ba'), has multiple meanings in the Holy Qur'an:

1.  Chastise (Ch.4:34)
2.  He set forth ( an example or a parable) Ch.14:24 ; Ch.16:75,76,112 ; Ch. 30:28,58 ;
    Ch. 66:10,11
3. "So We prevented them from hearing in the cave." Ch.18:11( meaning from Lane Lexicon)
      

The word 'Chastise', according to Random House Webster's College Dictionary, 1990,
means:
a) to discipline
b) to criticize severely
c) to chasten (to inflict suffering or punishment to humble or improve ; to restrain ; to refine)

In light of the above meanings, it would be quite appropriate to consider the word, dharaba
(chastise) to mean, restrain, or prevent such women from deserting their husbands. This would
lead to restoration of an endangered matrimonial relationship, through kindness and
arbitration. Marriage counselling would  also be an example of such preventive measures. It
should be noted that an abused wife, would decline any prospects of reconciliation, which is
the objective of this verse. The mention of "fear of breach between the two", and "appoint an
arbiter from his people and her people", is presented by the Qur'an (Ch.4:35) to prevent, and
denounce violence against women.

According to the teachings of the Holy Qur'an:

Women are:
To be free from bondage of slavery.   Ch.4:19
To be treated kindly.  Ch.4:19
To be treated with respect.  Ch.9:71
To be kept in good-fellowship, or "let them go in kindness".  Ch. 2:229
To be set free in kindness (in cases of divorce) and not to be retained for injury. Ch.2:231
To seek an arbiter, for her protection, if her husband fears desertion or rebellion by
her. Ch. 4:35
To seek an arbiter, for her protection, if she fears ii-usage or desertion from her
husband. Ch.4:128


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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2012, 07:15:45 AM »

I certainly think it's unfair that Muslims as a whole are painted in such a bad light (especially in reference to the treatment of women) due to the actions of the "bad apples" in the populace; unfortunately, there just seems to be a lot of "bad apples" in the Muslim population.  Although, to be fair, that population of "bad apples" draws far more attention from media than anything else. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2012, 08:17:20 AM »

Well it has nothing to do with Islam that's the thing.

The mainstream western media is not an information tool or education tool. It is merely a political propaganda tool to justify wars, demonize people, undermine or exagerate issues governments want. Etc...

These people who abuse women are following their cultures not Islam. If you look at Islam it clearly shows to respect, dignify, honor, protect women. Be kind to them, love them, etc... Muhammad (pbuh)'s message constantly emphasized on being kind and loving to women; girls and women young and old.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2012, 09:52:03 AM »

Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels in the Orient, that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him.
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2012, 09:59:11 AM »

Shaykh Nefzawi's The Perfumed Garden, a sixteenth-century treatise translated from the French, is very revealing of Islamic attitudes toward women and their sexuality.  Women's sexuality is never denied but seen as a source of danger: Do you know that women's religion is in their vaginas? asks the Shaykh. They are insatiable  as far as their vulvas are concerned, and so long as their lust is satisfied they do not care whether it be a buffoon, a negro, a valet, or even a despised man. It is Satan who makes the juices flow from their vaginas. The Shaykh quotes Abu Nuwas with approval:

Women are demons and were bom as such
No one can trust them as is known to all
If they love a man it is only out of caprice
And he to whom they are most cruel loves them most
Beings full of treachery and trickery, I aver
That man that loves you truly is a lost man
He who believes me not can prove my word
By letting woman's love get hold of him for years
If in your own generous mood you have given them
Your all and everything for years and years,
They will say afterwards, "I swear by God! my eyes
Have never seen a thing he gave me!"
After you have impoverished yourself for their sake
Their cry from day to day will be for ever "Give":
"Give man, get up and buy and borrow"
If they cannot profit by you they'll turn against you
They will tell lies about you and calumniate you
They do not recoil to use a slave in the master's absence
If once their passions are aroused and they play tricks
Assuredly if once their vulva is in rut
They only think of getting in some member in erection
Preserve us, God! from women's trickery
And of old women in particular. So be it.


Here we have a complete inventory of a woman's faults as seen by Muslim men — deceit, guile, ingratitude, greed, insatiable lust, in short, a gateway to hell. To see Islam as sex-positive is to insult all Muslim women, for sex is seen entirely from the male point of view; a woman's sexuality, as we shall see, is either denied or, as in The Perfumed Garden, seen as something unholy, something to be feared, repressed, a work of the devil. Islam, with it's obsession with cleanliness reveals a disgust with the sexual act and the sexual parts that is pathological and always the same contempt for women.  Islam is the fundamental cause of the repression of Muslim women and remains the major obstacle to the evolution of their position. Islam has always considered women as creatures inferior in every way: physically, intellectually, and morally. This negative vision is divinely sanctioned in the Koran, corroborated by the hadiths and perpetuated by the commentaries of the theologians, the custodians of Muslim dogma and ignorance.
Any religion that requires total obedience without thought is not likely to produce people capable of critical thought, people capable of free and independent thought.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2012, 10:22:22 AM »

Some misogynistic verses from the KORAN.

53.21-22. Are yours the males and His the females That indeed were an unfair division!

53.27. Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females.

2.178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female.

2.228. Women who are divorced shall wait, keeping themselves apart, three (monthly) courses. And it is not lawful for them that they should conceal that which Allah hath created in their wombs if they are believers in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands would do better to take them back in that case if they desire a reconciliation. And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

2.282 But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember.

4.3. And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or the (captives) that your right hand possesses. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice.

4.11. Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females.

4.34. Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart; and scourge (beat) them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.

4.43. O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying on the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.

5.6. And if ye are sick on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have contact with women and ye find not water, then go to clean high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it.

33.32 33. O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire to you, but utter customary speech. And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the time of ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor due, and obey Allah and His Messenger.

33.53. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their
hearts.

33.59. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round when they go abroad. That will be better, that so they may be recognized and not annoyed.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2012, 10:32:41 AM »

In numerous hadiths on which are based the Islamic laws we learn of the woman's role—to stay at home, to be at the beck and call of man, to obey him (which is a religious duty), and to assure man a tranquil existence. Here are some examples of these traditions:

—If it had been given me to order someone to prostrate themselves in front of someone other than God, I would surely have ordered women to
prostrate themselves in front of their husbands. . . . A woman cannot fulfill her duties toward God without first having accomplished those that she owes her husband.

—The woman who dies and with whom the husband is satisfied will go to paradise.

—A wife should never refuse herself to her husband even if it is on the saddle of a camel.

—Hellfire appeared to me in a dream and I noticed that it was above all peopled with women who had been ungrateful. "Was it toward God that they were ungrateful?" They had not shown any gratitude toward their husbands for all they had received from them. Even when all your life you have showered a woman with your largesse she will still find something petty to reproach you with one day, saying, "You have never done anything for me."

—If anything presages a bad omen it is: a house, a woman, a horse.

—Never will a people know success if they confide their affairs to a woman

Islamic culture and civilization is profoundly antifeminist, as the following sayings from various caliphs, ministers, philosophers, and theologians through the ages reveal:

Omar the second caliph (581-644) said:

"Prevent the women from learning to write! say no to their capricious ways."
On another occasion he said,
"Adopt positions opposite those of women. There is great merit in such opposition."
And again,
"Impose nudity on women because clothes are one reason for leaving the house, to attend marriages and to appear in public for ceremonies and parties. When a woman goes out frequently she risks meeting another man and finding him attractive even if he is less attractive than her husband; for she is attracted and distracted by anything she does not possess".

The antifeminist sayings of A l i (600-661), the Prophet's cousin and the fourth caliph, are famous:

"The entire woman is an evil and what is worse is that it is a necessary evil!"

"You should never ask a woman her advice because her advice is worthless. Hide them so that they cannot see other men! . . . Do not spend too much time in their company for they will lead you to your downfall!"

"Men, never ever obey your women. Never let them advise you on any matter concerning your daily life. If you let them advise you they will squander all your possessions and disobey all your orders and desires. When alone they forget religion and think only of themselves; and as soon as it concerns their carnal desires they are without pity or virtue. It is easy to get pleasure from them but they give you big headaches too. Even the most virtuous among them is of easy virtue. And the most corrupt are whores! Old age does not spare them of their vices. They have three qualities worthy of an unbeliever: they complain of being oppressed when in fact it is they who oppress; they take solemn oaths and at the same time lie; they make a show of refusing the advances of men when in fact they long for them ardently. Let us implore God's help to escape their sorcery."

And finally to a man teaching a woman to write:
"Do not add evil to unhappiness."
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2012, 10:38:11 AM »

The famous Muslim and revered philosopher al-Ghazali (1058-1111), "The Revival Of The Religious Sciences," Ghazali defines the woman's role"

She should stay at home and get on with her spinning, she should not go out often, she must not be well-informed, nor must she be communicative with her neighbours and only visit them when absolutely necessary; she should take care of her husband and respect him in his presence and his absence and seek to satisfy him in everything; she must not cheat on him nor extort money from him; she must not leave her house without his permission and if given his permission she must leave surreptitiously. She should put on old clothes and take deserted streets and alleys, avoid markets, and make sure that a stranger does not hear her voice or recognize her; she must not speak to a friend of her husband even in need. . . . Her sole worry should be her virtue, her home as well as her prayers and her fast. If a friend of her husband calls when the latter is absent she must not open the door nor reply to him in order to safeguard her and her husband's honour. She should accept what her husband gives her as sufficient sexual needs at any moment. . . . She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment.

The great theologian then warns all men to be careful of women for their "guile is immense and their mischief is noxious; they are immoral and mean spirited." "It is a fact that all the trials, misfortunes and woes which befall men come from women," moaned al-Ghazali.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2012, 10:43:13 AM »

Muhammad is reported to have told his men to treat kindly those two weaklings "women and slaves." In general Islam treats women as intellectually, morally, and physically inferior. First comes man, then comes the hermaphrodite (who in Islam has a distinct legal status), and last the woman. Conservative Muslim thinkers have even revived discredited anthropological theories purporting to show that the cranial capacity of women is far smaller than that of a man.

 "Women have less reason and faith" goes one famous hadith. A woman is seen as being in a state of impurity during her menstruation, but this impurity is not limited to her period of menstruation. It is reported that Muhammad had never touched a woman who did not belong to him. When the women who gave him their allegiance asked to shake him by the hand, he replied, "I never touch the hand of women." Further hadiths on this subject:

—Better for a man to be splashed by a pig than for him to brush against the elbow of a woman not permitted him.

—Better to bury an iron needle in the head of one of you than to touch a woman not permitted him.

—He who touches the palm of a woman not legally his will have red-hot embers put in the palm of his hand on Judgment Day.

—Three things can interrupt prayers if they pass in front of someone praying: a black dog, a woman, and an ass.


Liberal Muslims may wish to dismiss these hadiths as inauthentic but what will they say to the Koran which also says:
"Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying on the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched a woman, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands"

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2012, 11:23:22 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2012, 12:48:29 PM »

Well he's become a mental drone. He's copy pasting blogs like that of pamela geller and robert spencer who are hate mongerers and who ironically have not read a quran themselves.

Likewise for him, he has not read a quran or even knows if what he is quoting is a hadith or where its from he's just copy pasting with his own misguided context.

And since he's gone psycho mental drone mode, it's not possible to talk to him.

He's become as stupid as 3333 and his lackeys.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2012, 09:27:33 PM »

I haven't even got to female circumcision yet, that's a beauty.  Muslim men HATE women, are afraid of women and Muslim men are so insecure they need to control every aspect of a woman's life.  What pathetic men Muslims are!
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2012, 09:18:58 AM »

Women aren't allowed to drive cars in certain Moslem countries and need a male 'escort' to keep an eye on them if they want to go anywhere out the house.

I know of a woman tourist who visited Dubai and was caught driving in a car alone with another man, she was convicted of being a 'whore' for this offence and received several lashed from a whip.

If couples are even caught holding hands in a public place they could be arrested by 'religious police'.

What if the people are a different religion...? People are FREE to do as they wish, no-one has the right to regulate the private life of another person.
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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2012, 10:00:33 AM »

lol women don't drive in saudi, as it's cultural even though certain people try to make it seem islamic. As far as UAE you're lying or well misinformed because I lived there for a while.

Here's the thing. You also don't understand any of these people's cultures. Just as people from there may not understand or want anything to do with say goth culture or whatever. Saudi women are spoiled as hell, they don't want to even drive. Of course some of them do, but generally speaking culturally they want to be pampered and served like princesses literally. They even hire maids to carry their children. In UAE it's similar. They are rich and live as such.

Even as a youth and a non-muslim myself, I used to have a private driver. It's very common in Arab countries and they rather pay others to cook for them, drive them, etc... while spend their free time shopping and beautifying themselves (even though you don't see that under the abaya and hijab)
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2012, 10:28:13 AM »

Saudi women are spoiled as hell, they don't want to even drive. Of course some of them do [...]"

Arguments about culture aside, let's assume that what you say is true and that Saudi women don't want to drive; I have no first-hand knowledge on the subject so I'm willing to accept your word. Except that, according to you, some of them actually do want to drive. Let's focus on them, shall we?

I have one simple question: Can those women who want to drive do that? Or are they simply not allowed to, at all?
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2012, 10:32:15 AM »

Again I can post only a few videos here and there as most Saudis are against being on film. However the point is you are completely ignorant of these people's cultures and are loud as hell about them tens of thousands of miles away.

The world doesn't suck as much as western media and governments wants you to believe. I really had a good life in arab countries as a non muslim and yes I plan to go back inshAllah (God willing). The strife with Muslims is that they are sick of having dictatorships imposed on them and the US meddling, war mongering, etc...

Saudi:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4Mb_TAfbU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4Mb_TAfbU</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OJECs98S4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6OJECs98S4</a>

UAE:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEljkNR3ss" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEljkNR3ss</a>
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