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« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2013, 08:53:27 AM »
so what if a doctor is giving it to me? lol ok  ::) Seems like you have no valid arguments for discussion only personal attacks and lame accusations.

You get your ephedrine from the doctor too?

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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2013, 09:14:51 AM »
It's over the counter, as is caffeine. Is caffeine evil too now? You ever take antibiotics? How about aspirin or tylenol or advil? Also evil?

You are just being utterly desperate now at miserable personal attacks :) Narcotic drugs, alcohol are one thing but medications, supplements and drugs that enhance performance or build or rebuild a body are a totally different thing.

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« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2013, 09:32:18 AM »
It's over the counter, as is caffeine. Is caffeine evil too now? You ever take antibiotics? How about aspirin or tylenol or advil? Also evil?

You are just being utterly desperate now at miserable personal attacks :) Narcotic drugs, alcohol are one thing but medications, supplements and drugs that enhance performance or build or rebuild a body are a totally different thing.

Once again Ahmed says the truth! and your personal attacks(pedro) are a CLASSIC example of being desperate and without any legit debating points left.

the QURAN and SUNNAH stictly forbid intoxicants. Intoxicants and gambling are from the devil, and his tricks to cause problems amongst humans.

hence why even a drop of beer,wine,whiskey, rum ...ect is totally 100% FORBIDDEN.
Weed, herion, cocaine, LSD ect are 100% FORBIDDEN.

infact a person who consumes intoxicants, will have his prayers not accecpted for 40 days(could be even longer im not 100% sure). so he still must pray, yet will get no reward! this is the seriousness of the intoxicant ban in islam!

now, saying ALL drugs are forbidden dosent make sense. As Ahmed said, Caffine is a "drug" but not forbidden at all! infact, during ramadan(month of fasting) muslims must stand for somtimes 1 hr + for prayers AFTER a long day of fasting, drinking coffee or tea can help you concentrate and stand longer in prayer...

so, again: drugs which Intoxicant are forbidden in islam.

now mind your own buiness and quit being nosey. stop with the personal attacks it shows how desperate you are.

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« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2013, 10:23:55 AM »
It's over the counter, as is caffeine. Is caffeine evil too now? You ever take antibiotics? How about aspirin or tylenol or advil? Also evil?

You are just being utterly desperate now at miserable personal attacks :) Narcotic drugs, alcohol are one thing but medications, supplements and drugs that enhance performance or build or rebuild a body are a totally different thing.
So what! Alcohol and nicotine are over the counter, also caffeine is an Intoxicant.  And you are including performance enhancers as OK.  Oh, don't drink a glass of wine, but use Stimulants, Painkillers, Sedatives, Diuretics, Blood Boosters and lean mass builders for improving your performance.  What a joke ISLAM is, just another Mind Control Tool and a-ahmed just another hypocrite.
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« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2013, 10:34:27 AM »


If you are referring to steroids, well I am on trt as per doctor first of all. That's a steroid. I also do bodybuilding so I take higher doses of steroids.


A-ahmed was bound to out himself as a massive hypocrite at some point

Using steroids to enlarge muscles falls under the forbidden act of changing Allah’s creation. This is what Satan orders his followers to do. Allah tells us in the Qur’ân that Satan declared: “And I will command them and they will make alterations to Allah’s creation.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 119]

 It is unlawful to use them in the manner being described by a-ahmed

Moreover, it has been medically proven that using steroids for body-building without any medical need is harmful to the body. Inducing such harmful effects without a valid medical necessity is prohibited. The Prophet  said: “There shall be neither harm nor the causing of harm.”
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« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2013, 11:11:52 AM »
A-ahmed was bound to out himself as a massive hypocrite at some point

Using steroids to enlarge muscles falls under the forbidden act of changing Allah’s creation. This is what Satan orders his followers to do. Allah tells us in the Qur’ân that Satan declared: “And I will command them and they will make alterations to Allah’s creation.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 119]

 It is unlawful to use them in the manner being described by a-ahmed

Moreover, it has been medically proven that using steroids for body-building without any medical need is harmful to the body. Inducing such harmful effects without a valid medical necessity is prohibited. The Prophet  said: “There shall be neither harm nor the causing of harm.”

lol, way to go and find ONE fatwa with this opinion( i know which website you got this from)...i guess you skiped the countless other ones saying diffrent things huh?

also stop with the ignorance, steroids if used properly cause no MAJOR HARM.
but besides this, what does this have to do with WOMENS RIGHTS? this is the WOMENS RIGHTS thread.

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« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2013, 11:22:03 AM »
So what! Alcohol and nicotine are over the counter, also caffeine is an Intoxicant.  And you are including performance enhancers as OK.  Oh, don't drink a glass of wine, but use Stimulants, Painkillers, Sedatives, Diuretics, Blood Boosters and lean mass builders for improving your performance.  What a joke ISLAM is, just another Mind Control Tool and a-ahmed just another hypocrite.

 If your intoxicated you cannot think. you cannot function(look at drunk driving). I am not sure which planet you come from, but when i drink a coffee i become ALERT and FOCUS better, the oppostie of what alcohal does.

and lets use your logic, dont take steroids, HGH, slin but go ahead and drink and get intoxicated? even though alcohal kills HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, ruins THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES?  ::)

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« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2013, 12:56:25 PM »
They're just trying to create character assassinations, they prove themselves hypocrites as you yourself pointed out talking about OKAYING alcohol and what have you. They have no arguing points so they are resorting to any means necessary to personal attacks.

Besides when was the last time you saw e-kul post anything but hurdles of insults in rage? He is intoxicated with rage lol.

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« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2013, 12:58:01 PM »
I don't drink any alcohol whatsover.

I'm sure everyone's bb drugs are procured through a licensed physician because of a legitimate medical need.

I'm sure everyone has zero qualms about using and injecting those bb drugs in front of their children, spouses, parents, grandparents, church leaders, etc....

I'm just sayin.   :)

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« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2013, 01:33:59 PM »
Islam does not forbid performance enhancing medications/drugs. Nor does it forbid medications that cure or prevent diseases. What it does forbid is intoxicants that alter the state of mind, destroy the senses, and make people make ill  and later regretful decisions. That can include narcotics such as heroin, lsd, marijuana, alcohol, meth, etc... besides we all know how these drug users look like or end up looking like.

The only decrees you will find that deem steroids impermissible are ones made without actual knowledge of their effect or workings (medical know-how) but just echoing media fearmongering as in the west which is not medically sound what so ever. "Steroids kill", turn people into psychopaths, etc... etc...

The fact is anything that can bring greater benefit is permissible hence medications have been brewed and invented by Muslims for centuries and medicine flourished under Muslims. Unless it's something explicitly forbidden so such a substance is not allowed for example alcohol. When someone approached Muhammad (pbuh) and said alcohol is a medicine prophet Muhammad (pbuh) responded no Alcohol is a poison. And we know very well today literally it is a poison but people still take it.

Coffee a stimulant was pioneered and spread by Muslims. In fact I remember watching a documentary on Islam and it mentions how in the Muslim world coffee was used but in Britain alcohol was consummed from early morning, mid-day, throughout the whole entire day into the night, that as a result there was a contrast in productivity. Muslims were inventing while europe was stagnating. As was one of the arguing points in the docuemntary (non-muslim documentary).

And really this is now becoming an ad hominem/personal attack and straw picking pit fight, where people have no arguing points and are trying to cause character assassinations and false accusations. That's funny.

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« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2013, 01:38:41 PM »
Before alcoholics anonymous or 'modern science' prophet Muhammad (pbuh) already gave the answer to what we know:

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Muslim, Abu Da'ood and Tirmizi narrate the following Hadith: "A man called Tariq Al Joofi came to the Prophet (PBUH) and asked permission to consume liquor (alcohol), the Prophet refused. The man said: I use it and prescribe it as a medicine. The Prophet (pbuh) answered: 'It is a disease and ailment.'"

Another Hadith says that a man called Tariq ibn Swaid Al Hadrami came to the Prophet (PBUH) and said: "O Messenger of God, In our land we have vineyards and we make wine and drink." The Prophet (PBUH) said: "Stop drinking." The man proclaimed: "We use it as a remedy for the sick." The Prophet said: "It's no remedy. It is an illness itself." (Narrated by Muslim)

Abu Da'ood narrated this Hadith: "God has made for every illness a cure, but never get your cure by things prohibited." Al-Bukhari also narrated a similar Hadith in which the Prophet (pbuh) said: "God didn't make your remedy in any of the things prohibited."

Indeed alcoholism is an illness that plagues the west today severely and instead of education and prevention, there is taxation on this poison.

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« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2013, 01:44:10 PM »
Islam does not forbid performance enhancing medications/drugs. Nor does it forbid medications that cure or prevent diseases. What it does forbid is intoxicants that alter the state of mind, destroy the senses, and make people make ill  and later regretful decisions. That can include narcotics such as heroin, lsd, marijuana, alcohol, meth, etc... besides we all know how these drug users look like or end up looking like.

The only decrees you will find that deem steroids impermissible are ones made without actual knowledge of their effect or workings (medical know-how) but just echoing media fearmongering as in the west which is not medically sound what so ever. "Steroids kill", turn people into psychopaths, etc... etc...

The fact is anything that can bring greater benefit is permissible hence medications have been brewed and invented by Muslims for centuries and medicine flourished under Muslims. Unless it's something explicitly forbidden so such a substance is not allowed for example alcohol. When someone approached Muhammad (pbuh) and said alcohol is a medicine prophet Muhammad (pbuh) responded no Alcohol is a poison. And we know very well today literally it is a poison but people still take it.

Coffee a stimulant was pioneered and spread by Muslims. In fact I remember watching a documentary on Islam and it mentions how in the Muslim world coffee was used but in Britain alcohol was consummed from early morning, mid-day, throughout the whole entire day into the night, that as a result there was a contrast in productivity. Muslims were inventing while europe was stagnating. As was one of the arguing points in the docuemntary (non-muslim documentary).

And really this is now becoming an ad hominem/personal attack and straw picking pit fight, where people have no arguing points and are trying to cause character assassinations and false accusations. That's funny.

Let me preface this by saying that my question is not an attempted character assassination.

Just so I understand, you'd have no issue using or injecting bb drugs in front of Islamic leadership or your children or parents or grandparents because bb drugs cannot be considered a chemical intoxicant?

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« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2013, 01:53:59 PM »
Do you get injections of any kind in front of people besides a doctor? My family knows I am on TRT for life and know that I also self-inject. No way am I waiting half+ hour at doc's office to get a shot. That does not mean I invite them in the room and go hey watch me inject. That makes no sense? You are sounding silly now.

Medications can be taken orally, transdermally, subcutaneously, intra muscularly and intravenously. Do most people even know what these mean? lol. Most people think its okay to take pills. Are all pills okay? Narcotics come in pill form!

Yes I don't go and advertise to everyone that I inject medications. Why? Because there is an ignorant taboo in society where society equates steroids to narcotics when they are nothing a like. Thank the US government and media for that. Ignorance and lack of education.

For an intelligent guy mos, on a body building forum, I fail to see how you are continuing to argue this, do you have a point? Most people have a fear of needles to begin with and for that very reason wouldn't take it. How about B12 shots? How about corticosteroid shots? Hey it has that word steroid in it! Even old ladies get shots! How about insulin shots?

You're going no where with this Mos but I've explained to you from an Islamic perspective anything that can improve, heal or help people is okay. Alcohol and narcotics definitely do not improve people it messes them up. We should get back on topic as this was Islam and woman's rights thread where people without valid points started to create false premises and personal attacks when they could no longer prove anything and were proven wrong.

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« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2013, 02:10:08 PM »
Do you get injections of any kind in front of people besides a doctor? My family knows I am on TRT for life and know that I also self-inject. No way am I waiting half+ hour at doc's office to get a shot. That does not mean I invite them in the room and go hey watch me inject. That makes no sense? You are sounding silly now.

Medications can be taken orally, transdermally, subcutaneously, intra muscularly and intravenously. Do most people even know what these mean? lol. Most people think its okay to take pills. Are all pills okay? Narcotics come in pill form!

Yes I don't go and advertise to everyone that I inject medications. Why? Because there is an ignorant taboo in society where society equates steroids to narcotics when they are nothing a like. Thank the US government and media for that. Ignorance and lack of education.

For an intelligent guy mos, on a body building forum, I fail to see how you are continuing to argue this, do you have a point? Most people have a fear of needles to begin with and for that very reason wouldn't take it. How about B12 shots? How about corticosteroid shots? Hey it has that word steroid in it! Even old ladies get shots! How about insulin shots?

You're going no where with this Mos but I've explained to you from an Islamic perspective anything that can improve, heal or help people is okay. Alcohol and narcotics definitely do not improve people it messes them up. We should get back on topic as this was Islam and woman's rights thread where people without valid points started to create false premises and personal attacks when they could no longer prove anything and were proven wrong.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm asking you a question about your bb drug use and your faith.

Allow me to rephrase, would you have any concerns with your mosque leaders knowing about your lifetime bb drug use?   Would they approve from a faith perspective?

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« Reply #90 on: January 08, 2013, 02:10:27 PM »
Nobel Peace Prize winner "Tawakkul Karman," 'The mother of Yemen's revolution,' when asked about her Hijab by journalists and how it is not proportionate with her level of intellect and education, replied:





“Man in early times was almost naked, and as his intellect evolved he started wearing clothes. What I am today and what I’m wearing represents the highest level of thought and civilization that man has achieved, and is not regressive. It’s the removal of clothes again that is a regression back to the ancient times.

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« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2013, 02:14:08 PM »
I'm not arguing with you, I'm asking you a question about your bb drug use and your faith.

Allow me to rephrase, would you have any concerns with your mosque leaders knowing about your lifetime bb drug use?   Would they approve?


Enough with red herrings and straw arguments. I am disappointed Mos. I've openly spoken about steroids with other Muslims before it's not as much of a stigma as you may think. Back in Arab countries its commonly used and available over the counter. In fact there's been many fatwas talking about gaining weight and getting stronger alone as making it permissible. After all what does it do? It builds bodies. So evil.

Only recently from international criticism was there negative talks in Arab Muslim and non-muslim culture about it. As I've already said more than once, there is a taboo that has been entrenched in western society thanks to the US government and media equating steroids with narcotics. I am not going to stay off topic any longer and as a mod you shouldn't be so coy either. It's pretty common knowledge that body builders use body building and performance enhancing drugs. Only in the west are people ignorant and assume they can 'achieve anything' they see in movies and magazines.

I was the first ignorant to assume I could get to looking like Arnold naturally.

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« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2013, 02:17:05 PM »
Enough with red herrings and straw arguments. I am disappointed Mos. I've openly spoken about steroids with other Muslims before it's not as much of a stigma as may think. Back in Arab countries its commonly used and available over the counter. Only recently from international criticism was there some talks about it. As I've already said more than once, there is a taboo that has been entrenched in western society thanks to the US government and media equating steroids with narcotics. I am not going to stay off topic any longer and as a mod you shouldn't be so coy either.

I'm just asking you a question about bb drug use and your faith.

Would Islamic leadership approve of your bb drug use based on the teachings of your faith?  That's all I'm asking.  I've asked this of Christians as well.

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« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2013, 02:19:25 PM »
That would depend on their knowledge of science and medicine obviously. Imams are not scholars, they are community leaders. They go to scholars for their knowledge. If their personal understanding of the subject is of western media they would probably respond in fear of my well being. If they are soundly medically educated without again western media bias they would probably advise to be cautious and do my thing. In Arab countries it's common to go to a doctor and ask to gain weight and ask for steroids and they'll inject you, monitor you. Although as I said earlier there was some criticism of that.

After all western media has put into people's minds that steroids kill people, turn them into psychological monsters, etc... etc... and equate to narcotics. Clearly that would set off alarms to anyone if that were true and tell me stop for my own well being from the point that it would be harmful and not helpful. I would say the same thing from an islamic perspective if I did not know better the function of steroids.

As far as myself from a medical perspective, my body stopped producing naturally enough testosterone, it caused all sorts of havoc in my life, testosterone has definitely helped me get back on track in a number of ways. But that's a story of it's own :) The most common response of most western doctors is to send people first to psychiatrists and get psycho drugs prescribed. I was smart enough to do my own research and demand an endocrinologist.

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« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2013, 02:25:11 PM »
That would depend on their knowledge of science and medicine obviously. Imams are not scholars, they are community leaders. They go to scholars for their knowledge. If their personal understanding of the subject is of western media they would probably respond in fear of my well being. If they are soundly medically educated without again western media bias they would probably advise to be cautious and do my thing. In Arab countries it's common to go to a doctor and ask to gain weight and ask for steroids and they'll inject you, monitor you. Although as I said earlier there was some criticism of that.

After all western media has put into people's minds that steroids kill people, turn them into psychological monsters, etc... etc... and equate to narcotics. Clearly that would set off alarms to anyone if that were true and tell me stop for my own well being from the point that it would be harmful and not helpful. I would say the same thing from an islamic perspective if I did not know better the function of steroids.
Thank you, was just needing a bit of perspective.

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« Reply #95 on: January 08, 2013, 02:27:26 PM »
lol oh yes I remember watching this in high school. The drama and melodramatic music never gets old  ::):



I didn't know that chugging down an entire bottle of winny was the right way to do it  :P

Ironically in our high school fitness/gym/lifting class we saw another documentary on lifting by some huge juiced up guy talking about lifting heavy, eating heavy, etc... etc... aah the irony. I just said... i...r...o...n..y...  ;D

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« Reply #96 on: January 08, 2013, 02:29:08 PM »
That would depend on their knowledge of science and medicine obviously. Imams are not scholars, they are community leaders. They go to scholars for their knowledge. If their personal understanding of the subject is of western media they would probably respond in fear of my well being. If they are soundly medically educated without again western media bias they would probably advise to be cautious and do my thing. In Arab countries it's common to go to a doctor and ask to gain weight and ask for steroids and they'll inject you, monitor you. Although as I said earlier there was some criticism of that.

After all western media has put into people's minds that steroids kill people, turn them into psychological monsters, etc... etc... and equate to narcotics. Clearly that would set off alarms to anyone if that were true and tell me stop for my own well being from the point that it would be harmful and not helpful. I would say the same thing from an islamic perspective if I did not know better the function of steroids.

As far as myself from a medical perspective, my body stopped producing naturally enough testosterone, it caused all sorts of havoc in my life, testosterone has definitely helped me get back on track in a number of ways. But that's a story of it's own :) The most common response of most western doctors is to send people first to psychiatrists and get psycho drugs prescribed. I was smart enough to do my own research and demand an endocrinologist.

Exactly.

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« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2013, 05:13:40 PM »
Exactly.

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« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2013, 05:19:37 PM »
lol oh yes I remember watching this in high school. The drama and melodramatic music never gets old  ::):



I didn't know that chugging down an entire bottle of winny was the right way to do it  :P

Ironically in our high school fitness/gym/lifting class we saw another documentary on lifting by some huge juiced up guy talking about lifting heavy, eating heavy, etc... etc... aah the irony. I just said... i...r...o...n..y...  ;D

AHAAHAHAHAHAH!!!  I know it ain't funny, but I've seen that before....think I laughed then too....awesome!

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Re: Islam and womens rights
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2013, 06:02:47 PM »
I can't believe they make him falcon punch the girl then smash the wall lol, so retarded... and then he does the floor humping hahahha