Islam and womens rights

[garebear]

its not Islam, its the people and their culture.

I agree, in many muslims contries they opress there women, dont let them get educated, forced marriages ..ect. BUT that simply isnt what islam says, its the culture, that causes them to do that.

It is not simply justified by sharia law, it IS sharia law.

[TrueBB93]

It is not simply justified by sharia law, it IS sharia law.

what do you mean? give me an example.

[Man of Steel]

My question is in regards to the righteous, muslim women in paradise.   We all hear the cliche comments about "the virgins in paradise", but it's true that the righteous muslim men will enter paradise and be pleasured by voluptuous, chaste maidens.  Women are not promised to be pleasured by numerous young men (can't confirm this though).  

That said, what will the equally righteous muslim women receive in paradise that the men will not?  

[Man of Steel]

Another item I was curious about pertains to Surah 4:34 in which men are given the right to "beat / lightly beat / scourge / strike" their wives in a specific context.   Different terms are used for different translations of the Quran so I included them all here; although, the definitions are wide-ranging so they mean different things.  Let's just go with least severe of terms and refer to "lightly beat" in this case.   I understand that some Islamic theologians reference the "light beating" as a gentle, percussive tapping of the women that is unoffensive and painless, but I couldn't find a translation of the Quran that indicated a use of the term "tapping" so I use the "light beating" for consistency.

Now, in this instance my focus is not about the act of men lightly beating their wives given a specific context.  What I question is whether equal muslim women have the right to lightly beat their muslim husbands in a specifically defined setting of their own?  

[Man of Steel]

I guess another question I have pertains to polygamy in Islam and women's right therein.   The Quran indicates that men have the divine right to marry up to four muslim wives, but it's understood that many muslim men today are simply in monogamous marriages and that's fine as well.  Islamic theologians also note the vast population of women as compared to men and that women need the protection of muslim men hence the act of polygamy to afford them protection.

In this case my question isn't about the right of muslim men to engage in polygamy with four muslim women (that's established).  What I question is whether muslim women can engage in polygamy with four muslim men?  I haven't come across any verses yet and I was curious.

[Man of Steel]

Ok LOL, last question and this on pertains to Surah 4:11.  In this case the distribution of inheritance between male and female children is unequal and wondered why that is?  I considered that perhaps it's because men will/do support families of their own and therefore are given a larger inheritance because of that?  Still, not all muslim women are married and would seem that an equal portion of inheritance could greatly help establish their own position (especially if not married).  

Again, questioning why muslim females receive less inheritance than the muslim males from their parents?

I apologize for the question overload LOL, but I thought I'd ask the experts!

[a_ahmed]

It is not simply justified by sharia law, it IS sharia law.

Sorry but you clearly don't know what you're talking about. What is Shariah law is that men who rape are to be executed for rape. Women are to be protected. So that's shari'ah law. But women to be 'raped' as justified? No that's just your own sick imagination.

[a_ahmed]

My question is in regards to the righteous, muslim women in paradise.   We all hear the cliche comments about "the virgins in paradise", but it's true that the righteous muslim men will enter paradise and be pleasured by voluptuous, chaste maidens.  Women are not promised to be pleasured by numerous young men (can't confirm this though).  

That said, what will the equally righteous muslim women receive in paradise that the men will not?  

Yes one of the many promises to men is that they will have beautiful wives. That their worldly wives will be made queens of heaven and that they may get new wives while those who had no wives will certainly be given wives as described. What is wrong with a woman that is attractive, beautiful, chaste, pure? The men who get new wives their wives of this world will be queens and above those women that they may get in heaven.

On the other hand no women are not promised 'many men' but if they did not have a husband they will be given a pious husband.

There is a difference between men and women. We are equal in faith and piety, but not equal. This is known by atheists and all believers alike.

Men are more likely enticed and desiring of women than woman are of men. How often do you hear of women boasting and trolling lets say even on an internet forum about men? And how often do you hear about guys ranting about and obsessing over different women? This forum is a fine example.

What awaits us in paradise will be equitable to what we deserve and what God has prepared for us. It is still nothing like this world.

For example yes there will be sex in heaven, but it will not be smelly, it will not be icky, it will be different.

Absolute equity is a failed concept. Not everyone or everything is equal this is a fact. Communism failed my friend as it is against human nature and how God created us.

[a_ahmed]

Another item I was curious about pertains to Surah 4:34 in which men are given the right to "beat / lightly beat / scourge / strike" their wives in a specific context.   Different terms are used for different translations of the Quran so I included them all here; although, the definitions are wide-ranging so they mean different things.  Let's just go with least severe of terms and refer to "lightly beat" in this case.   I understand that some Islamic theologians reference the "light beating" as a gentle, percussive tapping of the women that is unoffensive and painless, but I couldn't find a translation of the Quran that indicated a use of the term "tapping" so I use the "light beating" for consistency.

Now, in this instance my focus is not about the act of men lightly beating their wives given a specific context.  What I question is whether equal muslim women have the right to lightly beat their muslim husbands in a specifically defined setting of their own?  

The verdict on this matter is pertaining to unchastity and disobedience. However the actual 'means' is as using something as a miswak a toothbrush. What certain non muslims have equated is with literal beatings and the words used are not 'beating' or 'light beating' but are often translated like that.

The prophet (pbuh) hated men who beat their wives and there's a number of narrations on the subject them being condemned, such men being refused as marriage material, being scrutinized for beating their wives and then sleeping with them, etc...

Abuse of women and domestic violence is against fundemental Islamic teachings and is more so to do with culture and behaviour of individuals.

[a_ahmed]

Ok LOL, last question and this on pertains to Surah 4:11.  In this case the distribution of inheritance between male and female children is unequal and wondered why that is?  I considered that perhaps it's because men will/do support families of their own and therefore are given a larger inheritance because of that?  Still, not all muslim women are married and would seem that an equal portion of inheritance could greatly help establish their own position (especially if not married).  

Again, questioning why muslim females receive less inheritance than the muslim males from their parents?

I apologize for the question overload LOL, but I thought I'd ask the experts!

It's quite simple to explain.

Women marry and they are to be taken care of by their husbands. While males marry and have to take care of their wives. The financial burden is more on a man than on a woman.

Do you think 50:50 is truly fair? The US is a fine example. Women who marry for money, get a kid, divorce their millionaire husband take 50% of their wealth and the husband ends up potentially broke etc... while the women did not lift a finger in his business venture or whatever hard work he did.

Absolute equity is not justice.

Men and women should be married and not deliberately chose to be single for the rest of their lives. If they so choose to be unmarried and screw around yes, probably they will be end up lonely and broke. Why not follow divine guidance and find peace and comfort in marriage? The same goes for male and female.

Family values are important in Islam and I can see how this can be a problem for those that oppose such values.

[a_ahmed]

I guess another question I have pertains to polygamy in Islam and women's right therein.   The Quran indicates that men have the divine right to marry up to four muslim wives, but it's understood that many muslim men today are simply in monogamous marriages and that's fine as well.  Islamic theologians also note the vast population of women as compared to men and that women need the protection of muslim men hence the act of polygamy to afford them protection.

In this case my question isn't about the right of muslim men to engage in polygamy with four muslim women (that's established).  What I question is whether muslim women can engage in polygamy with four muslim men?  I haven't come across any verses yet and I was curious.

It's quite simple really.

Can you determine who the father is of a woman who sleeps around without dna testing?

While if you have one husband and more than one wife, you will certainly know who the father and mother are.

No Islam does not permit women to have 'more than one man'. It goes against any sort of family principle.

Lastly Islam is the only religion that limits marriage to 4 women and actually says if you cannot do justice to them then ONLY marry one. No other religion actually limits marriage.

The bible on the other hand has no set limit, it is only because of British secular common law that you do not marry more than one. Traditionally Christians and Jews married multiple women too. In fact the prophets as mentioned in the bible married many wives.  Whether it was Abraham or David or Solomon peace be upon them all, etc...

[a_ahmed]

And while someone has bumped this thread:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK0KrP3TCqk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK0KrP3TCqk</a>

In Christianity it was debated whether a woman even has a soul or if she is even a human or a devil. This was recent history. Such hypocricy to be attacking Islam with falseities when in the christian western world women were not allowed to even vote or own property or have a business or divorce, etc... up until barely the last century.

Islam gave all those rights to women 1400 years ago and in fact Muhammad (pbuh) said in some cases women can surpass men. We are equal in faith, but we are different. Islam recognizes our human nature and differences.

The fact that muslim countries are not ruled by Islam and in fact secular and civil laws, by ignorant people who follow cultural traditions and tribal customs does not mean that is Islam's failure but rather the people's failure by not obeying Islam.

All the domestic abuse, women's rights being denied have far more to do with people not following Islam than the other way around.

[E-Kul]

For example yes there will be sex in heaven, but it will not be smelly, it will not be icky, it will be different.

Geez, what a ladies man you must be, if you see sex as smelly and icky.  That's what makes sex great, you must be the worst lay on the planet.  No wonder you became Muslim, you can now justify your shitty performance in the bedroom.

[a_ahmed]

The Prophet (sallALLAHu alahi wasallam) said "The most perfect of the believers in faith are thebest of them in morals. And the best among them are those who arebest to their wives." [Ahmad 7354, and Tirmidhi 1162]

The Prophet’s beloved wife, Aa’isha, said of her noble husband:
He always helped with the housework and would at times mend his clothes, repair his shoes and sweep the floor. He would milk, protect and feed his animals and do household chores

A great relationship happens when two people truly understand each other and love each other for who they really are. What better example to follow than the example of our beloved Prophet (sallalla hu alahi wasallam).

[Griffith]

This is Getbig, but in all seriousness I have no problem with Islam or its followers....only with close-minded fanatics, but this applies to all religions.

For instance, look at the Turks or Moslems in Bosnia, they have their religion but are able to live secular lives and drink or go out and do whatever they want like a Westerner, yet still respect their religion and culture. Their religion is their own business.

I believe for all religions, this is a good model.

[a_ahmed]