I think were getting a little off topic here. ITs not about who posted what, who is better than whom, who is getting talked about and what not.
Its about safe steroid use, from the ground to the top pros. Its all different for everyone.
Here is my 2 cents, and im going to leave it at this.....
1-5 years, not over 2 grams combined. WHY? They barely know how to diet let alone what drugs to take
Diet, Training, Rest, Drugs.
We all play with doses, drug types and when to take them, its not the same for everyone. I like to call it bro science, its just a bunch of guys yacking try this, try that blah blah blah. 500mg of test e/c/p is a lot, more than most need to grow. If your running 500 and working on your diet, you can do some very good things. Sure your not going to be pro, but its about learning how to eat and rest and train not the drugs, they are just a bonus for most gym rats. Sure you blow up and get huge on 2g but you loose it when you stop, because you dont know how to eat to maintain your frame, or your stopped cold turkey without your natty test being turned on first. So many things to learn in this first few years its crazy. These guys are paying stupid street prices for gear. Way to high and we all know it.
5-7 years, these guys are the more serious builders, 500mg test is their minimum, they never go off, they are doctor monitored, diet is on track 80% of the time. 2g is hardly a building phase, they know about good GH, they have access to half decent drugs etc. They have most likely done a few shows and are familiar with the industry as a whole.
10+ These guys also do 500mg week minimum, blast and cruise, these guys know their shit, you know them in the gym when you see them, they will NOT give up any secrets, they wont give you sources etc. If your lucky they will help you with diet but your going to pay them. Dont bother them, they will yell at you in the gym hehe. They have access to most everything either pharma grade or top notch stuff, they dont pay high prices, they dont play the political games and bull shit. They eat, train, rest and do a "LITTLE" of everything hehe. (I know several IFBB pros, most of them are regular joes, some angry and wont give you the time of day unless there is something in it for them which is too bad)
For the most part, 90% of the people on the internet are NOT in category 3, they are in 1, researching, learning and trying to understand the "BRO SCIENCE"
I always tailor any cycle on the side of NOOBISHNESS without big words. The guys in my gym say "1cc of this and 1cc of that" when you ask them how many MG it is they have no fucking clue what they take. "oh the dealer told me to run it this way"
They dont know what an ester is, they dont know what half life means, they dont know anything.
They dont get blood work, they dont eat right "diet coke and a bag of MnMs is my mid morning snack"
They use this as the magic pill. and Their aint one. then they wonder why your shredded all the time, bother you in the gym because their magic protocol is not working.
ME personally as a show level bodybuilder in the amateur field have an obligation to set these people straight, to make them understand that just because you take this stuff does not mean that your going to explode over night, that you have to still put in the work to get there.
no drug will save you from your own mind
no volume of HGH will save you from your own crappy diet
I am not a pro, nor do I ever think I will be, we all like to dream but im also not about to jam 5g of gear in my ass to make it there "yet" muahahhahaha
These people need to understand they need to make it out of 1-5 years first, build a good base, play with diet and training and rest, use a minimum of steroids before they do some harm to themselves and blame the industry for their own stupidity.
Now I have to apologize for a long post, more of a rant than a post.