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« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2012, 06:42:58 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2012, 06:58:17 PM »

Someone once said way back in the day that the US will crash when people realize they can get things from the government with their vote. First say anyone making over 250K a year rich and take proportionally more of their earned money. So a cop in NJ making 125K who is married to a pharmacist making 125k a year should spread their wealth around so the slackers can get their share of government money handouts. Let me tell you there isn't enough "rich" people in the US to tax to make a difference.

If the economy does well and that is done with deregulation and lower taxes the businesses need to hire people. The more people working the better it is for the government to raise revenue. The economy was great under Reagan. It was great under Clinton. It was good under Bush until both sides of  congress went into complete democratic control including banking regulations.  

I hope you kids get want you want. How about 3 years of unemployment insurance? Work for a year and take three off. How about making it a easy to get disability social security, food stamps and housing assistance. Get a check for life for a bs bad back. While we are at it how about borrowing a trillion or two more from China for student loan forgiveness. Let just make the military weaker to have money for these programs. Lets start making more employees of the government through tax payer job creation. We can take the money from the tax payer and give it a new government employees. Obama doesn't see the private sector as the job creators but the government.

Soon we are going to crash like Greece and Spain or we will survive with massive taxes from the workers. Remember we can have everything we want from government if they have enough money to spread the wealth around. After Obama fast tracks citizenship for Mexicans and internet voting there will be one party and 95% of the media will support it. Who ever has the media controls the vote of the simpletons.

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« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2012, 07:05:01 PM »

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Not even close to being a myth. How do you figure?
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« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2012, 07:08:21 PM »

He represents the middleclass Roll Eyes


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html
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« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2012, 07:21:32 PM »

Carlos Marx? Or Karl Marx?  Cheesy
Yes. You know. Carlos Marx. One of the Marx Brothers. Comedian and Economist.
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« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2012, 09:13:05 PM »

In general, the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -Voltaire
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« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2012, 05:27:25 AM »

JESUS said..."It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25)

Republican Party the party of many Christians of all denominations need to refer to their Bibles.  They are hypocrites of the first order.  Hell awaits them for their worship of money.

"You shall have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3).


Since you're not rich, remind your rich, Christian, Republican, hypocrite pals that are...  If you are truly a Christian, you know this to be true.

who gives a shit what the people that wrote the bible say Jesus supposedly said?  And if he did say it he was probably in his unemployed carpenter stage and his unemployment checks were about to run out.
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« Reply #82 on: December 01, 2012, 08:24:58 AM »

In general, the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other. -Voltaire

Great quotes.
Feudalism and collectivism has been walking the land, and has been for a long time. The non-culture of being dependent rather than being on your two feet is a good education for the masses to give in and let equality "guide" their every step.
Don't worry if you're too weak you'll be carried and if you're too strong you'll be pushed down to fit in.

Any person who has some self worth left knows that there are grim times ahead unless your extremely sneaky in how you chose your path.
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« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2012, 08:41:53 AM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4</a>

Watch it and fucking educate yourself commies.
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« Reply #84 on: December 01, 2012, 08:53:13 AM »

The problem isn't that the .gov isn't taxing us enough.  The problem isn't that the rich aren't "paying their share".  With the exception of those at the bottom we are getting taxed out our asses.  The problem is that the .gov pisses away the money, borrowing, spending, and printing money as if there was no consequence. 

History shows that raising taxes stalls the economy which is absurd because what we need is growth.  If you stimulate growth you will increase tax revenue even though the tax rates are lower.  It's been done many times before.  They are gonna sell all these tax increases as the public having to "pitch in" to fix this crisis.  Once they get the money then they've got it and you aren't getting it back.  The politicians are irresponsible and once again they are coming to the tax payer with a song and dance trying to get more from us.  They mismanage and bankrupt everything they put their hands on.  A line in the sand must be drawn.  Hold these people accountable.  Say no.   
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« Reply #85 on: December 01, 2012, 12:54:05 PM »

it's the whole principle of having "economies" that's at stake right now. The concept of money is problematic as more and more people found out it didnt make them happier to have tons of cash. At the same time, more and more people dont do shit and want material stuff in return. The balance will have to be restablished the hard way, as usual.
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« Reply #86 on: December 01, 2012, 12:56:31 PM »

For Dutch standards, Obama is quite rightwing.
Romney would have been extremely rightwing, in Holland his ideas would be boycotted... Grin Grin
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« Reply #87 on: December 01, 2012, 12:58:15 PM »

The US is a very low taxed country. Taxing does not equal a slow economy, in fact history points to the opposite.
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« Reply #88 on: December 01, 2012, 01:42:40 PM »

Let's state some facts:

1) taxes as a percentage of GDP is at an all time low
2) 400 people in the US have the same wealth as 150 million Americans
3) the tax cuts only favour the rich
4) the economic growth of the last 30 years have gone to 1% of the population.

Consequences

a) the infrastructure of the US basically sucks (roads, bridges, railways)
b) the real disposable income of the average American workers is the same as it was 30 years ago!
c) there are millions of American who work but are still poor
d) the upward mobility in the US (" the American dream") is lower compared to the rest of the Western World
e) in general education is terrible. Sure you have the best schools and universities, but only a small amount of people can pay for such an education

Idiots

1) most Americans still think that raising taxes is bad... The same Americans pay relatively more taxes then the rich people
2) most Americans still believe in the American Dream
3) most Americans think that the welfare is generous. Lol, as if people can feed a family on 300 dollars a month and food stamps

Rich people

They are laughing all the way to the bank. Financing countless campaigns and think tanks. Goal: to avoid raising taxes

Best example. The bail out of banks. How many bankers had to pay back their bonuses. Almost None!!


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« Reply #89 on: December 01, 2012, 01:49:13 PM »

Let's state some facts:

1) taxes as a percentage of GDP is at an all time low
2) 400 people in the US have the same wealth as 150 million Americans
3) the tax cuts only favour the rich
4) the economic growth of the last 30 years have gone to 1% of the population.

Consequences

a) the infrastructure of the US basically sucks (roads, bridges, railways)
b) the real disposable income of the average American workers is the same as it was 30 years ago!
c) there are millions of American who work but are still poor
d) the upward mobility in the US (" the American dream") is lower compared to the rest of the Western World
e) in general education is terrible. Sure you have the best schools and universities, but only a small amount of people can pay for such an education

Idiots

1) most Americans still think that raising taxes is bad... The same Americans pay relatively more taxes then the rich people
2) most Americans still believe in the American Dream
3) most Americans think that the welfare is generous. Lol, as if people can feed a family on 300 dollars a month and food stamps

Rich people

They are laughing all the way to the bank. Financing countless campaigns and think tanks. Goal: to avoid raising taxes

Best example. The bail out of banks. How many bankers had to pay back their bonuses. Almost None!!




it's not just in the US, it's the same everywhere on planet earth...the system is the same worldwide and it doesnt work, it's collapsing. The real solution is stopping economies, politics as we know them, and people creating their own medias and building small self sufficient non polluting communities all linked between them.
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« Reply #90 on: December 01, 2012, 04:52:44 PM »


An objectively correct definition of "rich" does NOT exist.


I'm glad we agree 1, but this means that your previous statement that "making over $250K does not qualify anyone as rich in this country, by no stretch of the imagination" is a merely subjective one. It's still interesting because it reflects your opinion, but there isn't a right answer either way.
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« Reply #91 on: December 01, 2012, 07:50:24 PM »

JESUS said..."It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25)

Republican Party the party of many Christians of all denominations need to refer to their Bibles.  They are hypocrites of the first order.  Hell awaits them for their worship of money.

"You shall have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3).


Since you're not rich, remind your rich, Christian, Republican, hypocrite pals that are...  If you are truly a Christian, you know this to be true.

How about some bible verses on abortion and homos. Thx
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« Reply #92 on: December 01, 2012, 07:55:26 PM »

middle class, wtf term is that.

most ppl live from month to month.

if 2 monthly wages wouldnt come in consecutively, they wouldnt have anything to eat.




not here on getbig. Everyone here graduated Harvard at 17 years old, made their first million at 18 and had their retirement sewn up by 21  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

you must be one of them Losers we heard about on Fox news
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« Reply #93 on: December 01, 2012, 08:44:03 PM »

it's the whole principle of having "economies" that's at stake right now. The concept of money is problematic as more and more people found out it didnt make them happier to have tons of cash. At the same time, more and more people dont do shit and want material stuff in return. The balance will have to be restablished the hard way, as usual.
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« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2012, 08:52:18 PM »

have no fear for atomic energy, for none of them can stop the time.

every little thing, is gonna be alright.

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« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2012, 07:47:45 AM »

it's the whole principle of having "economies" that's at stake right now. The concept of money is problematic as more and more people found out it didnt make them happier to have tons of cash. At the same time, more and more people dont do shit and want material stuff in return. The balance will have to be restablished the hard way, as usual.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

Great fucking idea bro, congrats.
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« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2012, 01:09:27 PM »

Let's state some facts:

1) taxes as a percentage of GDP is at an all time low
2) 400 people in the US have the same wealth as 150 million Americans
3) the tax cuts only favour the rich
4) the economic growth of the last 30 years have gone to 1% of the population.

Consequences

a) the infrastructure of the US basically sucks (roads, bridges, railways)
b) the real disposable income of the average American workers is the same as it was 30 years ago!
c) there are millions of American who work but are still poor
d) the upward mobility in the US (" the American dream") is lower compared to the rest of the Western World
e) in general education is terrible. Sure you have the best schools and universities, but only a small amount of people can pay for such an education

Idiots

1) most Americans still think that raising taxes is bad... The same Americans pay relatively more taxes then the rich people
2) most Americans still believe in the American Dream
3) most Americans think that the welfare is generous. Lol, as if people can feed a family on 300 dollars a month and food stamps

Rich people

They are laughing all the way to the bank. Financing countless campaigns and think tanks. Goal: to avoid raising taxes

Best example. The bail out of banks. How many bankers had to pay back their bonuses. Almost None!!




no facts please. Raising taxes on the rich kills jobs Roll Eyes
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« Reply #97 on: December 02, 2012, 07:04:24 PM »

Marx may have been wrong about communism but he was right about capitalism - so you all at the soup kitchens.
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« Reply #98 on: December 02, 2012, 07:21:30 PM »

And what do the poor have in the US?  Well, let's see:

- A home, thanks to subsidized housing provided by the government
- A car, and/or access to transportation
- Access to educational opportunities
- Food...obesity is an epidemic amongst ALL Americans...no one has died from starvation in the US in recent memory
- Medical Care....you get sick, you can go to a hospital and get treated.....broke or not, insured or not.
- Employment.  There is ALWAYS work to be had.  Unemployment is the option of choice for the lazy or the proud or the gravely ill.

Being poor is a direct consequence of inadequate education and/or vocational skills.  Why care who is rich and what percentage are rich?  What are exactly these roadblocks that supposedly exist that keep millions of American in squalor?  Give me a valid reason as to how or why any person in America are unable to obtain all of the above?  Who exactly stands in the way?
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« Reply #99 on: December 03, 2012, 01:44:38 AM »

To the people that think we need to be taxed more, do you actually believe that the govenment manages money well?  Are you happy with the return that you have gotten on that investment?  How much is enough?  At what point will you declare the tax rates high enough and start holding the .gov accountable for how they manage it?

The only way to encourage real growth and truly stimulate the economy is to let people work for themselves and not the government.  Let them keep more of their own money.  The government is filled with crooks that can't and won't solve our problems.   The sooner you get that through your head the better off we will all be.      
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