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Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« on: December 11, 2012, 08:31:51 PM »
I'm a casual watcher of the NFL, and I watch college football on occasion. I know all Getbaggers are former NFLers who run 4.1 and benched 800 at the combine. So I was wondering if you bastions of football knowledge agree or disagree that Tom Brady might be the greatest NFL player ever.

What does Getbig think?

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 08:38:24 PM »
Will end up top 3 for sure

1. Joe Montana
2. Dick Butkus
3.tom Brady
4. Jerry rice

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 08:39:22 PM »
Don't forget Walter Payton.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 08:40:17 PM »
Will end up top 3 for sure

1. Joe Montana
2. Dick Butkus
3.tom Brady
4. Jerry rice

All of those guys are better than John Elway?

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 08:41:46 PM »
He's really good but I consider him a system QB.  He got injured and missed a year the Pats went 11-5.  Peyton Manning got injured and missed a year and the Colts lost almost every single game that season. 

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 08:42:01 PM »
All of those guys are better than John Elway?

No, but there are a lot of people are ARE better than Elway that have played in the NFL.

Staubach, Unitas just to drop two names off the top of my head...

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 08:43:12 PM »
Switch peyton manning and brady a decade ago.

Patriots would have 5 rings.   Brady/colts would have none.

Pats were still good without brady.   Colts were 2-14 without manning.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 08:43:27 PM »
Don't forget Walter Payton.

Was Walter Payton better than Peyton Manning? I suppose whoever won the most MVP awards would has the best claim to best ever?

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 08:46:08 PM »
Switch peyton manning and brady a decade ago.

Patriots would have 5 rings.   Brady/colts would have none.

Pats were still good without brady.   Colts were 2-14 without manning.
Cassel leads the Pats to an 11 win season.

The evil genius Bill Bellicheck is the greatest thing to ever happen to New England.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 08:47:21 PM »
Was Walter Payton better than Peyton Manning? I suppose whoever won the most MVP awards would has the best claim to best ever?

I don't know if Peyton Man-thing is the greatest player ever but he'll likely have 5 NFL Most Valuable Player Awards awards after this year.  That's nothing to sneeze at.  His teams might not end up with as many super bowls as Brady but Peyton does the most.  He takes his teams on his back.  I think he is a robot.  

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 08:47:30 PM »
Walter Jerry Payton[1] (July 25, 1954 – November 1, 1999) was an American football running back who played for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League (NFL) for thirteen seasons. Walter Payton was known around the NFL as "Sweetness". He is remembered as one of the most prolific running backs in the history of American football. Payton, a nine-time Pro Bowl selectee, once held the league's record for most career rushing yards, touchdowns, carries, yards from scrimmage, all-purpose yards, and many other categories. His eight career touchdown passes are an NFL record for non-quarterbacks. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993. Hall of Fame NFL player and coach Mike Ditka described Payton as the greatest football player he had ever seen—but even greater as a human being.[2]

Payton began his football career in Mississippi, and went on to have an outstanding collegiate football career at Jackson State University where he was an All-American. He started his professional career with the Bears in 1975, who selected him as the 1975 Draft's fourth overall pick. Payton proceeded to win two NFL Most Valuable Player Awards and won Super Bowl XX with the 1985 Chicago Bears. After struggling with the rare liver disease primary sclerosing cholangitis for several months, Payton died on November 1, 1999, aged 45, from cholangiocarcinoma. His legacy includes the Walter Payton Award, the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, and a heightened awareness of the need for organ donations.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2012, 08:47:37 PM »
No, but there are a lot of people are ARE better than Elway that have played in the NFL.

Staubach, Unitas just to drop two names off the top of my head...

Was Staubach better than Favre and Lawrence Taylor? I know Jim brown was very good, but if Wikipedia is right, Peyton manning has the most MVP awards.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 08:50:57 PM »
Walter Jerry Payton[1] (July 25, 1954 – November 1, 1999) was an American football running back who played for the Chicago Bears of the National Football League (NFL) for thirteen seasons. Walter Payton was known around the NFL as "Sweetness". He is remembered as one of the most prolific running backs in the history of American football. Payton, a nine-time Pro Bowl selectee, once held the league's record for most career rushing yards, touchdowns, carries, yards from scrimmage, all-purpose yards, and many other categories. His eight career touchdown passes are an NFL record for non-quarterbacks. He was elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1993. Hall of Fame NFL player and coach Mike Ditka described Payton as the greatest football player he had ever seen—but even greater as a human being.[2]

Payton began his football career in Mississippi, and went on to have an outstanding collegiate football career at Jackson State University where he was an All-American. He started his professional career with the Bears in 1975, who selected him as the 1975 Draft's fourth overall pick. Payton proceeded to win two NFL Most Valuable Player Awards and won Super Bowl XX with the 1985 Chicago Bears. After struggling with the rare liver disease primary sclerosing cholangitis for several months, Payton died on November 1, 1999, aged 45, from cholangiocarcinoma. His legacy includes the Walter Payton Award, the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, and a heightened awareness of the need for organ donations.

See, this is interesting. If Walter Payton isn't the best back of all-time, it would be hard to consider him best player of all time?

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2012, 08:51:51 PM »
Was Staubach better than Favre and Lawrence Taylor? I know Jim brown was very good, but if Wikipedia is right, Peyton manning has the most MVP awards.

Peyton does, and Yes, Staubach was better than Favre and LT.

By far.


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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2012, 08:55:09 PM »
Sometimes tough to rank "best" of anything, as we know here.

Gotta love how Walter Payton never ran out of bounds to avoid hits.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2012, 08:56:39 PM »
Kurt Rambis.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2012, 08:58:34 PM »
Coaches can't bring out this kind of greatness.


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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2012, 09:01:41 PM »
Sometimes tough to rank "best" of anything, as we know here.

Gotta love how Walter Payton never ran out of bounds to avoid hits.

It seems as though Jerry rice is the only NFL player that is almost unanamously considered a clear cut best at his position all time.

Of maybe Dick Butkus?

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »
He's pretty fucking good.
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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2012, 09:06:37 PM »
He's pretty fucking good.

Yeah. To the casual fan, like me, Brady seems to be head and shoulders better than everyone else.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2012, 09:08:12 PM »
Jerry Rice was a monster.  Walter Payton, Lawrence Taylor, Jim Brown, Manning, Barry Sanders.  These guys were dominant players on their own regardless of who else was on their team.  . 

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2012, 09:31:07 PM »
Brady and Peyton are currently in a league of their own. As far as throughout history... thats a tough. They're both definitely in the top tier of all time greats.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2012, 09:40:27 PM »
Cassel leads the Pats to an 11 win season.

The evil genius Bill Bellicheck is the greatest thing to ever happen to New England.

youre right about this.

Brady is very very good.   However, Cassel did kick ass when he was out.  And Cassel sucked in KC. 

On the other hand, Peyton manning single-handedly made Colts good.  With him, they were super bowl contender.  Without, a 2 win season. 

IF IF IF the Pats were a 2 win team without Brady that year, and the Colts went 11-5 with Kerry Collins last years, we'd all be declaring Manning worthless, and Brady a superhero.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2012, 09:41:35 PM »
youre right about this.

Brady is very very good.   However, Cassel did kick ass when he was out.  And Cassel sucked in KC. 

On the other hand, Peyton manning single-handedly made Colts good.  With him, they were super bowl contender.  Without, a 2 win season. 

IF IF IF the Pats were a 2 win team without Brady that year, and the Colts went 11-5 with Kerry Collins last years, we'd all be declaring Manning worthless, and Brady a superhero.

You guys seem to forget that when the Colts were still kicking ass when Peyton was calling plays from the sideline during their superbowl run.

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Re: Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2012, 09:43:44 PM »
You guys got something against defensive players being the best?