Where is heaven located? To the religious nutcases?

[Stefano]

Faith
1.Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.


I strongly believe becuase i have strong faith. All the proof i need is in the Quran, Quran for me is proof enough

Blind faith actually. The only evidence you've accepted is the words in a book compiled centuries ago. A book written when mankind belived anything. A practice that some people continue to this day becuause of their fear of the unknown.

[che]

Blind faith actually. The only evidence you've accepted is the words in a book compiled centuries ago. A book written when mankind belived anything. A practice that some people continue to this day becuause of their fear of the unknown.

Do you believe in God  ,Stefano ?

[Stefano]

Do you believe in God  ,Stefano ?

Oh absolutely. Every now and then i like to suspend rational thinking read grimms fairy tales and beleive.

[TrueBB93]

Oh absolutely. Every now and then i like to suspend rational thinking read grimms fairy tales and beleive.

Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?

[tbombz]

Its completely rational to believe that events have causes, and thus its completely rational to assume the universe had a creator

[Stefano]

Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?

If im wrong i'll deal with it then. If god wants to correct me he knows where to find me.

I dont need any psychobabble from his human emissaries.

God can contact me anytime he chooses and end this little game.

[Stefano]

Its completely rational to believe that events have causes, and thus its completely rational to assume the universe had a creator

But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.

[Man of Steel]

tremendous thread

[Stefano]

tremendous thread

The last thread of krypton

[tbombz]

But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.

the generally accepted conception of god is an eternal one.. 

[TrueBB93]

But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.

i sense arrogance. i think the root of athiesm is arrogance. they cannot accepct the fact there are just a mere creation, without any power to do things themselves. they say "you are afraid of the unknown, or afraid of death" but infact THEY are the ones afraid.

why is the creator exempt? because he makes the rules! did your parents ever tell you "as long you live under my roof, you follow my rules?". imagine a parent tells their kid his bed time is 9:00 pm, does the kid have the right to say "but dad you stay up to 11:30 pm watching tv, why are you exempt from the rule?".

God has power to do all things, i mean why is this so hard to grasp? there is no "rules". God does what he wants period! if God wants he can strike you with lighting right now, or turn you into a monkey, or into a rock ect. so when the matter comes to eternity, God is eternal, just becuase you cannot grasp the idea dosent mean it dosent exsist. 

[OTHstrong]

But is it rational that the creator has no creator? That the creator is not subject to the rules of there must be a creator? Why is the creator exempt? Becuase his creations say so in order to avoid any further debate.

This is the point I have been trying to make this whole thread. Let's take 3 scenario's;

1. The existence of space, time and matter had a beginning

2. The existence of space, time and matter is eternal (did not have a beginning.

3. There is a creator who is eternal.

All 3 are not rational and guess what, you are forced to choose one. If you can not explain any of this then your choice is done by faith not logic cause there is nothing logic or rational about any of the 3 choices.

Do you have the answer and can you back up the answer logically? scientifically? rationally?  Of course not....See at one point an atheist has to accept something that is not rational if you go back far enough, there is no way around this.

[James28]

Sky Gods. In 2012.

LOL.

[garebear]

Actually we know the universe had a beginning so... you fail. Big bang fail.

You don't know anything, but you pretend to know everything.

I'm not fooled.

Grow up.

[OTHstrong]

You don't know anything, but you pretend to know everything.

I'm not fooled.

Grow up.

Aren't you the one that posts those childish pictures all the time mocking others people's belief over on the religious board, no offence but hardly the candidate to be telling someone to grow up, hey just saying

[garebear]

Aren't you the one that posts those childish pictures all the time mocking others people's belief over on the religious board, no offence but hardly the candidate to be telling someone to grow up, hey just saying

Yes, I mock people who pretend to know things.

[OTHstrong]

Yes, I mock people who pretend to know things.

No one pretends to know things, that is what they believe.

[da_vinci]

Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?

What if YOU are wrong (about your choice of a certain god to believe in)?

[da_vinci]

Its completely rational to believe that events have causes, and thus its completely rational to assume the universe had a creator

Who/what has created a creator himself? (going by that logic).
 

The fact is - universe without a creator is explainable way easier than with it.

[da_vinci]

the generally accepted conception of god is an eternal one.. 

Let's accept a new conception then - a universe is eternal.

[OTHstrong]

Who/what has created a creator himself? (going by that logic).
 

The fact is - universe without a creator is explainable way easier than with it.

Opinions count for nothing^^^, both scenarios are neither rational nor logical to the human brain

[cephissus]

I'm a bit late to the symposium, but, with the exception of a few, I see that the Dunning-Kruger hypothesis is in full effect at Getbig Theological Seminary. How so many of you got past the admissions committee is one more thing I'll never know

[PJim]

Ok now let me ask you a simple question: what if your worng? what if you wake up on judgement day?

Question. Are tapeworms and gerbils also up for "judgement" also?

[syntaxmachine]

Opinions count for nothing^^^, both scenarios are neither rational nor logical to the human brain

It's pretty clear that either of these terms really means "what I'm able to comprehend" and/or "whatever is in line with my intuitions" to you. Now, they have definite meanings besides the way you use them, and I encourage you to look these up and see whether what you say is still true -- or even meaningful -- under the new (proper) readings of the terms.

[Desolate]

What you stated is an Opinion, not a theory.  A theory can be supported by facts and evidence, while an opinion is only what someone feels is true.  Theories and Opinions and not the same, they are completely different.  A Theory is an idea that can be tested or a testable concept that is used to explain an occurrence. For example, the science behind air flight is based on theories! Verifiable theories!  If it was my opinion that a helicopter couldn't fly, it wouldn't affect the reality that it could.

Sometimes a theory can neither be proved or disproved, hence remaining a theory.

The Big Bang falls under this... as does when time began.