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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 06:37:05 PM » |
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Even if we dont quite get there it will be good working towards getting there by the end of year.
For me at least having this thread in mind will make for a far more productive years training than it would have been otherwise.For me the hardes will deff be the chins and the squats.
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Yev33
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 06:50:48 PM » |
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If anyone is having trouble with chin up/pull ups, here is a program I set up for a friend of mine that has worked out well:
Do them twice a week at the beginning of the workout.
Workout A: do one set of max reps (must be at least 6 reps) either BW or with added weight
Workout B: add 50% to the total reps from your max set during workout A and do three sets that will add up to that number .
For example, workout A your max set was 8 reps. 8 reps + 50% is 12 reps, so for workout B you would do 3 sets of 4 reps ( 3x4=12). This will be challenging but not hard enough that you will hit failure on any of the sets.
If you end up hitting an odd number like 9 for example, just round up. 9+50% is 13.5 so just round up to 14, and on workout B do 3 sets of 5,5,4.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2013, 11:18:21 AM » |
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Thanks, I hope you get there too.
Great idea starting this thread, i had just planned on getting stronger, having a set goal makes it far more interesting.
Im keeping training simple.
Day 1
Squat 3x5 or 3x3
Bench 3x5 or 3x3
Deads 1x5 or 1x3
oh tri ext 2x8
Day 2
Chins 3x5 or 3x3
Oh press 3x5 or 3x3
Rows 3x5 or 3x3
Pulldowns 2x8
Hammer curl 2x8
training 3 days per week alternating workouts.
3 weeks of 3x5 then 3 weeks of 3x3 before cutting back and starting over with 3x5.
At least thats the plan, going well so far.
nice simple workout looks great. |
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2013, 12:53:38 PM » |
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nice simple workout looks great.
I really like this routine, its just about the right frequeny for me and works surprisingly well for size gains as well as strength. |
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2013, 05:27:25 PM » |
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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2013, 07:54:23 PM » |
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Here is a challenge that I am giving my self and anyone else who is interested.
5. Deadlift 5 plates
4. Squat 4 plates
3. Bench 3 plates
2. Clean and Press 2 plates
1. Chin ups/pull ups 12 reps with 1 plate of added weight
IMO anyone that can hit ALL of these numbers is a very strong individual all around and will have the muscle mass to show for it. Not today's IFBB or high level NPC big, but something along the lines of an NFL running back.
Now I know that these numbers are not astounding but for a natural they are pretty damn good.
No way I'm hitting that bench but great goals! I've been on a workout layoff for a while, just started again. I have an injured back that doesn't always comply with squats/deads but I'd love to come back and get upto those numbers  |
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2013, 08:02:17 PM » |
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That's very impressive. Great video, thanks for posting it. |
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Yev33
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2013, 08:08:20 PM » |
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No way I'm hitting that bench but great goals! I've been on a workout layoff for a while, just started again. I have an injured back that doesn't always comply with squats/deads but I'd love to come back and get upto those numbers A back injury is nothing to mess around with. Hope your recovery goes well for those squats and deads. |
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2013, 09:19:17 PM » |
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Here is a challenge that I am giving my self and anyone else who is interested.
5. Deadlift 5 plates
4. Squat 4 plates
3. Bench 3 plates
2. Clean and Press 2 plates
1. Chin ups/pull ups 12 reps with 1 plate of added weight
IMO anyone that can hit ALL of these numbers is a very strong individual all around and will have the muscle mass to show for it. Not today's IFBB or high level NPC big, but something along the lines of an NFL running back.
Now I know that these numbers are not astounding but for a natural they are pretty damn good.
have accomplished the deads, squats and bench...never really tried the clean and press but Ive shoulder pressed 225 before so I think with a little work i might be able to pull that off. Ive never really been strong at pull ups I think ive gotten up to a 25lb plate for like 8 or so but that was overhand so maybe underhand would be easier. I would add in weighted dips to that as well, I might even replace them with the bench. I think anybody that can do a set of 10 with 90lbs on them is pretty strong. I think the highest I ever got was 140 or so on me for 8-10 reps. |
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Yev33
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2013, 06:20:12 PM » |
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have accomplished the deads, squats and bench...never really tried the clean and press but Ive shoulder pressed 225 before so I think with a little work i might be able to pull that off.
Ive never really been strong at pull ups I think ive gotten up to a 25lb plate for like 8 or so but that was overhand so maybe underhand would be easier.
I would add in weighted dips to that as well, I might even replace them with the bench. I think anybody that can do a set of 10 with 90lbs on them is pretty strong. I think the highest I ever got was 140 or so on me for 8-10 reps.
I love weighted dips and include them in my training. I have been able to do 10 reps with 90lbs before I could bench 275 though. That's why to me a 315 bench is more impressive. But I think it's an awesome movement that will help the bench press. |
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2013, 09:39:01 AM » |
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225lbs overhead press is impossible for naturals
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2013, 10:09:38 AM » |
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225lbs overhead press is impossible for naturals
No it's not. I'd say it's a reach for guys who weigh under 200 pounds, but a clean and press with 225 isn't too far out of reach with a little leg drive. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2013, 10:12:20 AM » |
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No it's not. I'd say it's a reach for guys who weigh under 200 pounds, but a clean and press with 225 isn't too far out of reach with a little leg drive. do you mean a push press or an overhead press push press is easy |
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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2013, 12:03:20 PM » |
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do you mean a push press or an overhead press
push press is easy
A traditional clean and press usually has some leg drive like a push press. If it's a strict overhead press it would be more difficult, but not impossible IMO. |
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anabolichalo
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2013, 12:45:45 PM » |
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A traditional clean and press usually has some leg drive like a push press. If it's a strict overhead press it would be more difficult, but not impossible IMO. for joe average it would be very impossible for gifted big lump it would be possible |
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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2013, 12:53:19 PM » |
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I think yev33 has started a good thread. stick to it and be realistic.
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Yev33
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2013, 01:36:53 PM » |
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225lbs overhead press is impossible for naturals
for joe average it would be very impossible
for gifted big lump it would be possible
Now I know where the "naturals can't build shoulders" belief comes from. |
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Yev33
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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2013, 01:37:42 PM » |
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I think yev33 has started a good thread. stick to it and be realistic.
Thank you, Donny. |
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Yev33
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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2013, 01:41:54 PM » |
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A traditional clean and press usually has some leg drive like a push press. If it's a strict overhead press it would be more difficult, but not impossible IMO. That is excatly what I meant for the clean and press. Some leg drive, but not to the point where it becomes a clean and jerk. |
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anabolichalo
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« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2013, 01:43:59 PM » |
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Now I know where the "naturals can't build shoulders" belief comes from.
face facts or believe in fairy tales i dont care what you do |
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Yev33
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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2013, 01:55:59 PM » |
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face facts or believe in fairy tales
i dont care what you do
If I believed what people were telling me I would have never gone form 133-198lbs BW, never front squatted 315lbs, never benched more than 275, as well as going from 12 shaky pull ups @ bw 133lbs to being able to do them with 2 45's strapped from a belt weighing almost 200lbs. I don't care what you do, I am going to keep on doing what I have been. |
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anabolichalo
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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2013, 02:03:22 PM » |
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If I believed what people were telling me I would have never gone form 133-198lbs BW, never front squatted 315lbs, never benched more than 275, as well as going from 12 shaky pull ups @ bw 133lbs to being able to do them with 2 45's strapped from a belt weighing almost 200lbs.
I don't care what you do, I am going to keep on doing what I have been.
fat, steroids, or genetics |
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Yev33
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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2013, 02:09:46 PM » |
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